German Cardinal endorses blessing gay couples

[AlNg]

" “ space and time,” have an “effect on specific theologies, such as the theological view of marriage and the family.”"
So does that mean that certain aspects of the moral law are relative to space and time?

 

[Luke6_37]

“Marx said that, for him, the important question to be asked regards how “the Church can meet the challenges posed by the new circumstances of life today - but also by new insights, of course,” particularly concerning pastoral care. Describing this as a “fundamental orientation” emphasized by Pope Francis, Marx called for the Church to take “the situation of the individual, … their life-story, their biography, … their relationships” more seriously and accompany them, as individuals accordingly. Marx has recently called for an individualized approach to pastoral care."

This is what God’s mercy looks like. Beautiful.

 

[Luke6_37]

On October 13, 1973 the Blessed Virgin reportedly said to Sr. Agnes Sasagawa of Akita, Japan; "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres…churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."

Considering what is going on in our Church today, I’m finding it more and more difficult, with every passing week, to be skeptical of that apparition!

My guess is that she was talking about the clergy sex abuse crisis.

 

[Constantin]

I really wonder what some people here think is an appropriate wording to talk about a cardinal and chairman of the German bishop conference.
He is my bishop and I do not think it is the job of random laymen to shout excommunication and whatnot.
It is true that he makes some debatable statements lately, see e.g. my other thread:

Discussion about pregnancy counseling agencies in Germany Catholic News

We have seen a hot debate in the last few days about a possible “reconciliation” between Donum Vitae and the Catholic church in Germany. Now, “Donum Vitae” is Latin and translates as “gift of life”. Here is why this might be pure sarcasm:

So really, it was imho not a wise thing to say and I would have very much preferred if he had not said anything in both cases.
Still, you have to treat a bishop with respect!

 

[Imdaman]

NickyMaz:

the important question to be asked regards how “the Church can meet the challenges posed by the new circumstances of life today - but also by new insights, of course,”

I don’t think that he is the only Catholic who favors blessing SS couples.

No, I’m sure he isn’t. There are many who feel this is right and true. They are all mistaken and misguided.

 

[Imdaman]

" “ space and time,” have an “effect on specific theologies, such as the theological view of marriage and the family.”"
So does that mean that certain aspects of the moral law are relative to space and time?

No Actually, Space and Time may have an effect on this Bishops undersatnding of any given theological subject. But truth does not change regardless of his understandings. This man will only be a foot note in the passage of time. Truth will win and Christ’s promise will endure. Despite a Erroneous view of a Bishop.

 

[Imdaman]

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My guess is that she was talking about the clergy sex abuse crisis.
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As with most thinks you discern this one is also incorrect ans a bit askew. Considering that most abuse happened a few decades back and is very rare to have this type of abuse now in the church this doesnt fit at all.

Also there is no dissent, that I know of, that pits bishop against bishop with regards to the sin that is child abuse. I do not konw of any Bishop that thinks it is ok to do this.

On the other hand however, the Church has never been so devided about any issue as much as homosexuality. Just like society as a whole the church reflects it’s members. Society has been waging a war on itself and sooner or later will swallow itself whole. On the other side will emerge CHurch and her uncompromising Truth.

Soon a new Pope will be elected, All those Bishops, Preist, and Cardinals that have come out of hiding will have blown there cover and exposed their necks. May God help them and have mercy on their souls.

 

[Imdaman]

With all due respect to you and your Bishop… plfffft.

When anyone comes out with such a ridiculous statement. It is our duty to respond and help people understand what the Church teaches about Homosexual unions.

 

[twf]

Even when the Holy Father / Rome remain silent? Only the laity of CAF can rebuke cardinals?

 

[twf]

Even when the Holy Father / Rome remain silent? Only the laity of CAF can rebuke cardinals?

 

[Luke6_37]

The poster said the apparition of the Blessed Mother happened in 1973 - that was 3 decades before the clergy sex abuse crisis. I can’t imagine the clergy doing anything worse than that.

 

[KMG]

The Holy Father remaining silent is irrelevant to the question of whether Cardinal Marx is right or wrong.

 

[AlNg]

The Holy Father remaining silent is irrelevant to the question of whether Cardinal Marx is right or wrong.

I thought it was in the news that the Holy Father had invited a SS couple to the Vatican?

 

[Constantin]

I could not agree more. Only, I am concerned about the tone. We need to state very clearly what the church taught and continues to teach and at the same time remain polite.
I am really worried about the state of the church in Germany: After all, Cardinal Marx is in a way the overall shepherd of German Catholics and his statements are not exactly orthodox most of the time, to put it diplomatically. This could confuse a lot of Catholics. Also, the Cardinal seems to have quite some influence in Rome, let us hope for the best.

 

[KMG]

Let this sink in for a moment…an active cardinal and top papal adviser is endorsing the Church’s “blessing” of those who live in a state of intrinsic evil.

Other prelates have come out in support of giving Communion to the divorced and remarried, even if they are not remaining as brother and sister (“too hard”).

Other prelates want changes to the Catechism language on homosexuality.

To pretend that this avalanche of attacks on the perennial teaching of the Church has nothing to do with the current occupant of the See of Peter is whimsical at best, delusional at worse.

 

[Imdaman]

The poster said the apparition of the Blessed Mother happened in 1973 - that was 3 decades before the clergy sex abuse crisis. I can’t imagine the clergy doing anything worse than that.

So you don’t think Clergy leading people to hell is a bad thing… Got it!

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

The poster said the apparition of the Blessed Mother happened in 1973 - that was 3 decades before the clergy sex abuse crisis. I can’t imagine the clergy doing anything worse than that.

So you don’t think Clergy leading people to hell is a bad thing… Got it!

That is a total non sequitur. Not sure why you would say something like that.

 

[Imdaman]

Jesus is in charge and that we can be sure of. If some Cardinal has these veiws we can be comfortable knowing the Our heavenly Father will make good use of his error.

 

[Imdaman]

Imdaman:

Luke6_37:

The poster said the apparition of the Blessed Mother happened in 1973 - that was 3 decades before the clergy sex abuse crisis. I can’t imagine the clergy doing anything worse than that.

So you don’t think Clergy leading people to hell is a bad thing… Got it!

That is a total non sequitur. Not sure why you would say something like that.

You stated that the worst evil clergy could do is what some very nasty homosexual men did to some unfortunate children. While I believe this to be a very evil thing indeed… It pails in comparison to leading ones congration into believing that it is ok to live in sin. Both his soul and those of the laity are in jeopardy!

 

[Imdaman]

If you read the private revelation it does not sound like the clergy abuse scandal at all. We are starting to see more and more confusion in the church. Bishops against Bishop Priest against priest. Are you really ok with what Cardinal Marx is propossing? Do you believe that Homosexual acts are intrinsically evil?