Get Ready to Call Your Representative and Senator on Monday 2/26

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JetteZ said:
The law is the law! - Doesn’t work for me because compassion would dictate that we can change laws that don’t make sense.
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Yet you have no compassion for those who jobs are affected in a negative way by illegals.
 
NickyMaz said:
I have very little sympathy for people in this country illegally.
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See, I find this problematic. Regardless of one’s political opinions, a heart without compassion will never be disposed to a moral decision.

I wonder how many who want these people gone would be willing to go grab the mama, the children, or the father, themselves, allowing their own children to watch them toss them out of the country, especially if they were neighbors they had known or worked with.

Anyway, I just call my congressman.
 
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JetteZ:
The law is the law! - Doesn’t work for me because compassion would dictate that we can change laws that don’t make sense.
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Yet you have no compassion for those who jobs are affected in a negative way by illegals.
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Even assuming the proposition is true, which it may not be, you cannot know what another feels if he doesn’t tell you.
 
There are two types of “laws” one set of laws are from right that all men have, those rights are our natural rights such that no government or person should remove those rights. The most important things I just wrote is that no government or person should remove them. I may surrender them, as in the case if I steal something I can go to jail losing my right to freedom. I can also attempt to take someones life and if they so choose they have the rigtht of self defense and take my life without any consequence. I have the right to buy property without fear that a person or government should take it just because they want it. The second form of laws are one that society creates to organize that society. Speed limits are there to control people on the road. There is no fundamental right to drive. Driving is privilege not a right. Illegals have a right to life as does all people. Yet there is no natural right to live in the USA. They have a right to liberty, but they need to go to their countries and create it there. They have all the same natural rights as do you and I, but it up to them to have their country provide it.
 
I would have no problem doing it. I have to worry about my children and my grandchildren. To claim those who want to remove illegals have no compassion is wrong. The truth is those who want to allow illegals as citizens are the ones that lack compassion. They are only too willing to throw their american counterparts under the bus all the while claiming it is the right thing to do. Once again I point out that 25 years ago the DNC’s platform was that illegals needed to go. Today they see the illegals as an almost 100% voting blcok for them. Now the DNC’s wants those votes since they lost the middle non-government employed middle class.
 
philipl said:
To claim those who want to remove illegals have no compassion is wrong.
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I did not say that. I would never say that. There was a poster who confessed he had little compassion for these people.
philipl said:
. The truth is those who want to allow illegals as citizens are the ones that lack compassion.
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It seems you are the only one judging. Assuming as well.
 
I may be registered as a republican to vote in primaries, but this forum is why I will never take any labels besides Catholic… Too many forget compassion after listening to their favorite riled up political programs…

If you were living in such a dangerous place, would you not do whatever you needed to do to keep your family safe? The wait list for legal immigration from Mexico is 20 years. If we are unwilling to welcome those in danger into our homes, then we ought to go make their homes less dangerous, but I know many would be even more opposed to that. How many of you complaining about the burden our economy takes actually have a job, a home, food on your table every day? Don’t be so ignorant as to put your political party before your faith. Man’s laws are not God’s laws.

Some of you don’t understand “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s” and are taking it out of context to support your own agendas. Ought the Nazi’s to have “given to Caesar” and obeyed their laws simply because they were laws?
 
Ender said:
They proposed these two specific political solutions:

“…we will be asking the faithful across the nation to call their Members of Congress next Monday, Feb. 26, to protect Dreamers from deportation, to provide them a path to citizenship…”
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These are not political solutions. They make no mention of what a bill would look like, for instance in terms of negotiated border security, etc. These are goals. How these goal are achieved is still open to the political process.
This is how their proposal ends:

“Our faith compels us to stand with the vulnerable, including our immigrant brothers and sisters. We have done so continually, but we must show our support and solidarity now in a special way. Now is the time for action.”

So, our faith compels us to take action, presumably on the actions they have called for.
If this does not say our faith compels us to support the proposals they have just listed then words have lost their common meanings.
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I think the “us” referred to the bishops. That is confirmed by the next sentence, “We have done so continually” where “we” seems to refer to the bishops again. The bishops are not claiming a doctrinal obligation on all the faithful. They are explaining why they are issuing this call.
 
On a separate note related to the topic, has the USCCB ever announced a “Call-In-Day” to protect the unborn?
 
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pnewton said:
I did not say that. I would never say that. There was a poster who confessed he had little compassion for these people.
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I think you wrote this “a heart without compassion will never be disposed to a moral decision”. I my compassion is first for my family, then my friends, then strangers. so I have compassion for illegals not if my child is doing without, he will get my compassion before the illegal. Any that says they would do it differently, isnt being honest.
 
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That isn’t trivial at all to me, thank you for the clarification. I should read the article.

Edit: Actually it seems it was a joint statement from the president, vice president, and chairman of migration on behalf of the USCCB. I think the original statement is accurate.
 
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But I do, just as there are many Bishops that view things with a conservative lens, so do I. I am no less Catholic than they are. I am in good company.
 
When was there last federal legislation pending that would outlaw abortion?
 
There is frequently pending legislation regarding abortion even though not completely outlawing it, such as no taxpayer funding for abortion and abortion insurance that is going to the senate. It currently has a 26% prognosis of being enacted.

Edit: Abortion Bills - GovTrack.us
 
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pnewton said:
It was easy to miss, since you used a pronoun", they," with the wrong antecedent. The antecedent was “posters here,” not “American liberals,” whatever the heck that phrase means.
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The response to rfourier was totally different. Try to keep up.
pnewton said:
As the word “liberal” has been so over-used, I do not know if it bears much more meaning that a lower-case “nazi.”
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Now you’re just trying to silence the right. You can say it’s used the same as “Nazi” when liberals are randomly attacked in the streets for being mislabeled.
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Besides, selectivity toward papal authority is pretty much fifty-fifty split on both sides of the aisle.
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I haven’t noticed, but will resist assuming you’re just saying that because you’re too apt to straddle the fence.
 
pnewton said:
See, I find this problematic. Regardless of one’s political opinions, a heart without compassion will never be disposed to a moral decision.
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Had the left not abused the word, this argument would be more prevalent. The price of scandal.
pnewton said:
I wonder how many who want these people gone would be willing to go grab the mama, the children, or the father, themselves, allowing their own children to watch them toss them out of the country, especially if they were neighbors they had known or worked with.
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In Mexico and Canada: without hesitation.

What I fail to see is how people can support the nuclear family on paper and think that exact legalness of immigration laws in a broken system is fine.
 
I don’t really see where a campaign to support allowing abortion would really be a thing. Either outlaw it or not.
 
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