Gingrich: GOP ‘Incapable Of Competing’ Against Hillary Clinton In 2016

[_Abyssinia]

So am I, but I suspect our ideal Pro-life parties would be very different in their fiscal approach and philosophy on the role of Government.

What can be more of a priority than the human rights issue of the time whcih is protecting life from conception to natural death. 55 million babies have been killed and more every day

 

[ringil]

What can be more of a priority than the human rights issue of the time whcih is protecting life from conception to natural death. 55 million babies have been killed and more every day

Between the birth and the death is also important to me.

 

[irishpatrick]

So am I, but I suspect our ideal Pro-life parties would be very different in their fiscal approach and philosophy on the role of Government.

I would like to see a party that strives (through laws) to life from natural conception, to natural death, and works to provide proper help to those in need in-between those two points.

I also would like to see that same party protect the foundation of any healthy culture/nation, and that is the core family headed by one man and one woman.

Economically, I’d like to see that party be one that stops spending more than it takes in, and works hard to keep government small, and taxes low.

The party should be one that defends the actual meanings of the first amenment, especially our religious and personal freedoms–and Churches are to never have any law that prohibits their free expression of their faith.

 

[ringil]

Friend, if those 5-million voted, you would not be saying that because Romney would have won. The GOP’s task is to learn from that, and to determine why those people did not vote.

The Republicans have never felt they must get only white votes to win. How easily people forget the human rights record the GOP actually has. Most people do not know that a higher percentage of Republicans voted for the civil rights acts, then did the Democrats. Most also do not know that it was Republicans who initiated the drive to get women the vote. The left has managed to bury the truth quite well.

As you know well, there was a shift in the philosophies in both parties. A total reversal, at least regarding issues of Civil Rights and social activism.

 

[irishpatrick]

Between the birth and the death is also important to me.

I agree–yet it should be done in a responsible way.

 

[ringil]

I would like to see a party that strives (through laws) to life from natural conception, to natural death, and works to provide proper help to those in need in-between those two points.

I also would like to see that same party protect the foundation of any healthy culture/nation, and that is the core family headed by one man and one woman.

Economically, I’d like to see that party be one that stops spending more than it takes in, and works hard to keep government small, and taxes low.

The party should be one that defends the actual meanings of the first amenment, especially our religious and personal freedoms–and Churches are to never have any law that prohibits their free expression of their faith.

I suspect it’s your notion of “proper help” and “small Government” that would be the sticking point.

I want a left (further left than many Democrats) Pro-Life Party and you want a Right-leaning (or further Right than GOP) Pro-Life Party.

So Can we come together- It sucks, but I don’t think it’s possible.

 

[irishpatrick]

As you know well, there was a shift in the philosophies in both parties. A total reversal, at least regarding issues of Civil Rights and social activism.

Not true for the GOP–100% true for the Democrats. Republians desire freedom and prosperity for every citizen and could not care less what their race, gender or age is. Republicans want that prosperity to come through personal initiative and hard work, and Republicans want that intiative and hard work to be rewarded. The Republicans do not despise wealth, nor do they look down upon the poor. Republicans believe in following a system that offers every person an opportunity at success, yet each person must strive for that success, for the state will not provide it them under GOP ideology.

 

[ringil]

I agree–yet it should be done in a responsible way.

I agree, but what is responsible to me and what is responsible to you are likely pretty darn different.

 

[jediliz]

As long as the GOP are all about anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-imigration and for the rich and the Christian right, they will loose and there are not enough prayers to fix that… They are outta touch with the reality of the future. The party of NO is finished…

I am anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am also against taxing the richest of the rich…if they are SMALL BUSINESSES… I am also against the types of people who are moochers…those who take food stamps and then turn around and use their credit cards to buy televisions. Those types want to keep getting hand outs…

I am PRO Life - life of the unborn, life of the poor (who need our help, but we can’t just say here’s a debit card for food…help them become self sufficient!), life of the elderly, disabled and vulnerable (those who will suffer the most with Obama Care and ObamaTax raises!) I am pro TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE…sorry, but I am not pro disgusting acts which are NOT based on LOVE but are based on LUST (a deadly sin)

 

[ringil]

Not true for the GOP–100% true for the Democrats. Republians desire freedom and prosperity for every citizen and could not care less what their race, gender or age is. Republicans want that prosperity to come through personal initiative and hard work, and Republicans want that intiative and hard work to be rewarded. The Republicans do not despise wealth, nor do they look down upon the poor. Republicans believe in following a system that offers every person an opportunity at success, yet each person must strive for that success, for the state will not provide it them under GOP ideology.

It’s not an even playing field. People aren’t born with an American “carte blanche” of opportunity, especially under rightist policy.

I wish you could see, as an African American, that the right is not kind to the black community.

I don’t think that they are cruel. I just believe that they don’t understand.

 

[irishpatrick]

I suspect it’s your notion of “proper help” and “small Government” that would be the sticking point.

I want a left (further left than many Democrats) Pro-Life Party and you want a Right-leaning (or further Right than GOP) Pro-Life Party.

So Can we come together- It sucks, but I don’t think it’s possible.

I think there are always various issues in which we can come together. Yet, core issues like abortion, and marriage, etc., those are core values and one has little personal character if they can change their core with the flip of a coin.

I believe a social saftey net is important and just. I believe we can easily provide all un-insured people health insurance for far less than Obamacare will cost, and with far less intrusion upon our personal freedoms. I believe we can have a strong military without breaking the bank. I believe we can find ways to be a moral people, without the constant division.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Between the birth and the death is also important to me.

Easy to say that when you are already born. Every child that has been born after 1973 is a survivor

 

[irishpatrick]

It’s not an even playing field. People aren’t born with an American “carte blanche” of opportunity, especially under rightist policy.

I wish you could see, as an African American, that the right is not kind to the black community.

I don’t think that they are cruel. I just believe that they don’t understand.

I do see that.

 

[irishpatrick]

Easy to say that when you are already born. Every child that has been born after 1973 is a survivor

Well said…survivor is exactly right.

 

[ringil]

Easy to say that when you are already born. Every child that has been born after 1973 is a survivor

I don’t know what’s easy or not easy. I just know and have first hand experience with those who are alive and need help- not a “talking to” about “personal responsiliwas” and their “poor choices”.

 

[irishpatrick]

I don’t know what’s easy or not easy. I just know and have first hand experience with those who are alive and need help- not a “talking to” about “personal responsiliwas” and their “poor choices”.

Jesus calls us to care for the poor and needy. It was not a suggestion.

Yet, we are also called to protect the most vulnerable among us, and I cannot think of anyone more vulnerable than a growing person in the womb of their mother, or of an older person who has given their entire life just to be treated like unwanted dirt in the end of their days.

God calls us to be a people of life–from natural conception to natural death (that phrase implies caring for people between the two points).

 

[_Abyssinia]

I don’t know what’s easy or not easy. I just know and have first hand experience with those who are alive and need help- not a “talking to” about “personal responsiliwas” and their “poor choices”.

You and others on this board have the privilege of being able to say I think X should be done on immigration, Y should be done with tax, meanwhile certain politicians aide the continutation of slaughter of life so many of those in the womb will not get the privileges that you have access too

 

[scipio337]

Lets just say he is a very poor second to JPII

But wait! Wasn’t Blessed JPII also “Anti-abortion”, and “anti-gay”? Why did JPII hate women? He also fought against those redistributive policies that only an Obama supporter can believe.

I do love that faulty logic, though. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

 

[ringil]

I do see that. The problem (and think this through before responding) is that the policies of the left have actually built a wall preventing many people of color from prospering. The truth is, Republicans who own businesses could not care less what color a person is, they just want the best person for the job. Those walls needs to be removed, and it starts (imo) by rebuilding our education system so that people in poorer neighborhoods have access to the same level education as do those in wealthier areas. American history and American values and American ethics and the American capital system should NOT be only the purvue of wealthy people–it should be taught to everyone.

I can look into the eyes of a young person of color and see the same desire for a good life that other people have–they too want to pursue prosperity, and the walls need to come down, walls that the left has built and maintained for decades.

Does welfare have problems- you bet. Do some folks develop a sense of entitlement- you bet! I’ve seen this as well. Hard to say how common it is- but out of the folks I have seen- in the past- I am unemployed now- most folks were just living and trying to make ends meet. They weren’t selling their food stamps, working the system, or whatever we want to call it.

Yes, we need to look at welfare but not in a way that is “sink or swim”.

And yes, regarding education, I agree- though I am a fan of multi-cultural emphasis as well- which you may not be cool with. Anyway, for me, we would just divide all of the education money through each state evenly so that a school in the burbs receives as much funds as a school in the inner-city.

I don’t think many right =-leaning folks would be cool with that.

I also agree with voucher- strangely- but not in the typical GOP sense. Only school certified as quality institutions could receive such funds. We don’t need a bunch of profit driven mom and pop school popping up on every street corner.

I believe that the Government can serve to build a better society. I know that folks around here don’t believe in that. I do and in a big way. Other nations do it. America has a lot of it’s priorities screwed up and that is due to it’s puritan ideologies and Protestant Work Ethic.

To build marriage I believe in incentives- maternity and paternity leave. Longer vacations (US is at the bottom next to Japan in the industrialized world).

I want an improvement in trains, public transportation so that the US doesn’t continue to languish in the 80’s.

In America we live to work, not work to live, and that’s not right. Even the Pope is always saying how people need to get out and relax- enjoy the world- God’s creating.

And abortion- with a severe reduction- ideally ending of abortion- there would be a massive flood of funds to assist these mothers in caring for these millions of kids- including day care.

And private and religious agencies don’t cut it. Volunteerism and donations don’t cut it.

I like much of what Scandinavia is doing- I don’t like some of it as well but. . . .

 

[irishpatrick]

Does welfare have problems- you bet. Do some folks develop a sense of entitlement- you bet! I’ve seen this as well. Hard to say how common it is- but out of the folks I have seen- in the past- I am unemployed now- most folks were just living and trying to make ends meet. They weren’t selling their food stamps, working the system, or whatever we want to call it.

Yes, we need to look at welfare but not in a way that is “sink or swim”.

And yes, regarding education, I agree- though I am a fan of multi-cultural emphasis as well- which you may not be cool with. Anyway, for me, we would just divide all of the education money through each state evenly so that a school in the burbs receives as much funds as a school in the inner-city.

I don’t think many right =-leaning folks would be cool with that.

I also agree with voucher- strangely- but not in the typical GOP sense. Only school certified as quality institutions could receive such funds. We don’t need a bunch of profit driven mom and pop school popping up on every street corner.

I believe that the Government can serve to build a better society. I know that folks around here don’t believe in that. I do and in a big way. Other nations do it. America has a lot of it’s priorities screwed up and that is due to it’s puritan ideologies and Protestant Work Ethic.

To build marriage I believe in incentives- maternity and paternity leave. Longer vacations (US is at the bottom next to Japan in the industrialized world).

I want an improvement in trains, public transportation so that the US doesn’t continue to languish in the 80’s.

In America we live to work, not work to live, and that’s not right. Even the Pope is always saying how people need to get out and relax- enjoy the world- God’s creating.

And abortion- with a severe reduction- ideally ending of abortion- there would be a massive flood of funds to assist these mothers in caring for these millions of kids- including day care.

And private and religious agencies don’t cut it. Volunteerism and donations don’t cut it.

I like much of what Scandinavia is doing- I don’t like some of it as well but. . . .

Wow–there is a lot here.

You do not avoid doing the right thing just because it might be messy. Things got really messy with the civil war and the resulting amendments and the freeing of entire peoples…yet it was absolutely the correct thing to do (brought to us by the GOP btw).

There was much strife about women getting the vote (initiated by the GOP btw), yet it was quite obviously the right thing to do.

There can more added to the list, yet doing the right thing is always good. Abortion takes the life of innocent people–it must end, at least from a legal pov. How we deal with the extra babies is something critical to determine, yet that does not impact doing the right thing.

Education, I agree, should include all relevant histories–yet precious few people have a clue about how this nation was founded, or under what stress and risk it was founded.

God calls us to work…work is a very Holy activity and is NOT a Protestant value, it is a God-given value that the Catholic Church affirms as being a very holy practice. Opus Dei followers often feel that everyone (who is able) should be working until they no longer can, independent of their personal financial state. While we should work to live, we also should not avoid work because work is a very holy thing.

I disagree about taking money from independent suburbs to fund city education. State funds for education that quite often highly favors the city schools already are taken in state taxes, and each suburb should have at least some autonomy as to how they want to run their towns. Quite often suburbs can operate high quality schools on similar budgets as city schools get, so we should look at the reasons why.

I believe the USA operates the best when the government is smaller. Americans have created an incredible culture, and yes we need roads and a military, etc., yet the larger the government gets, the smaller each citizen becomes. This is a huge difference between the left and the right. The larger the government, the smaller the person gets.