Gingrich: GOP ‘Incapable Of Competing’ Against Hillary Clinton In 2016

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LisaA said:
epan this sounds completely bass-ackwards. The states that are in dire financial straits are the blue states like California which is a disaster, as well as Illinois. They are NOT generating enough revenue to pay their bills, in fact the tax increases voted in, in both states have demonstrated the reality that raising taxes doesn’t mean higher revenue.

The Red States are the ones with lower unemployment, budget surpluses and a lot of people moving IN not out.

I do agree that neither party has the courage to actually tackle reduced government spending. I saw Tom Coburn on Book TV and if there were more like him, there might be hope but most are just running for the hills rather than being painted as heartless for wanting to reduce those oh so effective government programs…

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It is true that California is in budget gridlock. But if you look at federal revenues from states, vs federal spending in those states, there is a clear pattern. The red states, in general, collect money from the federal government in excess of the revenues they pay into the government. The opposite is true, in general, of the blue states. In some cases, the federal payouts into red states amount to 2.5 times what their GDP would be without federal subsidy. This presents some interesting problems for Republicans who favor a smaller federal government.
 
fissionu235 said:
As long as the GOP are all about anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-imigration and for the rich and the Christian right, they will loose and there are not enough prayers to fix that… They are outta touch with the reality of the future. The party of NO is finished… 😃
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Republicans are not anti immigration, they are anti illegal immigration
Birdpreacher said:
Republican party will have to drop the social issues and embrace its Libertarian Wing if its gonna be able to compete in the future.
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Romney campaign ignored abortion for the most part, he was a moderate on the issue, more pro life than Obama, but was not opposed to all abortion. If the Romney campaign had turned the ‘war on women’ accusation around and focused on Obama’s non support for sex selection abortion ban, taxpayer funding of abortions, and the fact that Obama’s support for unlimited abortion is opposed by the majority of Americans if you look at the polls, Romney could of had a winning issue to counter democrats attacks

Head of Catholic pro - life group C-FAM, Austin Ruse said
Romney did say he would defund Planned Parenthood but he never said why. He could have pointed out that there are several thousand Title X clinics not connected to Planned Parenthood that do everything Planned Parenthood does except abortions. He could have pointed out that Planned Parenthood raises a billion dollars a year and in time of fiscal crisis perhaps our money is spent better elsewhere. He could have said Planned Parenthood does not do mammograms no matter what they say. He could have said losing federal funding would hardly close Planned Parenthood down. But he didn’t say any of these things.
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Mitt Romney won about a quarter of the Hispanic vote and a tenth of the black vote. Those numbers may not sound like much, but in close elections they matter.
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A sizable portion of those black and hispanic voters voted GOP despite disagreeing with the GOP on fiscal issues. But they are strongly social conservative and could not vote for the party of killing kids and gay marriage. So they voted GOP.
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You throw out the social conservatives and you throw out those hispanic and black voters. Further, you make it harder to attract new hispanic voters who happen to be the most socially conservative voters in the country.
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Next, you’ll also see a reduction of probably half the existing GOP base. You won’t make that up with Democrats who suddenly think that because their uterus is safe they can now vote Republican. Most of those people don’t like fiscal conservatism either – often though claiming that they do….
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In fact, if the GOP really wanted to expand with minorities, it’d keep the social conservatism and throw out the fiscal conservatism.
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redstate.com/2012/11/09/it-is-time-to-throw-the-social-conservatives-out-of-the-gop
 
_Abyssinia said:
Republicans are not anti immigration, they are anti illegal immigration

Romney won as a moderate on abortion and ignored social issues for the most part yet he lost. More people are becoming, all the polls show it, so why would the republican platform drop the central human rights issue of the time?

Contraception and birth control — wrapped up in this facade about women’s health — were the main points of focus. Polls clearly indicate a majority of voters, even pro-lifers, are not opposed to birth control and contraception. The election never focused, on abortion, on Obama’s out-of-touch pro-abortion voting record.

Romney campaign ignored abortion for the most part, he apperared as a moderate on the issue, more pro life than Obama, but was not opposed to all abortion. If the Romney campaign had turned the ‘war on women’ accusation around and focused on Obama’s non support for selection abortion ban, for taxpayer funding of abortions, and the fact that Obama’s support for unlimited abortion is opposed by the majority of Americans if you look at the polls Romney could of had a winning issue to counter the democrats concentration on birth control

Head of Catholic pro - life group C-FAM, Austin Ruse said

redstate.com/2012/11/09/it-is-time-to-throw-the-social-conservatives-out-of-the-gop
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Additionally he was forced to cede his best issue: Obamacare
 
irishpatrick said:
In other words, they will cease being Republicans.
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Is the Republican party the party of small govt and self-reliance or the Moral Police? Thats the decision that will have to be made.

The Republican party is built upon
  1. Strict Construction of the Constitution
  2. Protecting State Govt’s from Federal Interference
  3. Economic Equality of Opportunity
  4. Protecting Individuals from Govt Intrusion
Healthcare,Abortion,Marriage, and even Criminal Drug Laws are matters which fall under the State’s Domain. So there is no reason to even have these items on the NATIONAL platform. Its hypocritical for any conservative to say "I am against big Federal Govt UNLESS that Govt subscribes to all of my Moral Beliefs! Now as far as State elections go, all of these issues are relevant.
 
An incumbent has been unseated only once (without a strong third party) in 100 years.
A moderate Republican always loses.

I am very unhappy about the results, but I can’t honestly say that it was a huge surprise. 400,000 votes in the other direction (over 11 states) and we would be swearing in Romney in January.
 
Woops, Thanks Abyssinia, almost forgot… please add to my list that the GOP is anti-womens rights as well, oh, and anti-contraception… keep them comming… thanks… As far a Romney, OMG what a joke, add Ryan to the mix and its a laph fest. With people like Michelle Bachmann in your party, you will LOOSE… 😃
 
If the Republican Party decides to pull the 1996, 2008, 2012 playbook with putting Jeb Bush in 2016. I’m just going to stay home.

I’m waiting for a viable 3rd party.
 
fissionu235 said:
Woops, Thanks Abyssinia, almost forgot… please add to my list that the GOP is anti-womens rights as well, oh, and anti-contraception… keep them comming… thanks… As far a Romney, OMG what a joke, add Ryan to the mix and its a laph fest. With people like Michelle Bachmann in your party, you will LOOSE… 😃
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Whoops

anti-women’s

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You can not support abortion and be Catholic. You will learn this if you look it up. First ask your parents if it is OK to do so, obviously.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
An incumbent has been unseated only once (without a strong third party) in 100 years.
A moderate Republican always loses.

I am very unhappy about the results, but I can’t honestly say that it was a huge surprise. 400,000 votes in the other direction (over 11 states) and we would be swearing in Romney in January.
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What do you mean by “unseated”.

There have been some one term presidents in the past century:

Richard M. Nixon resigned in his second term.

George HW Bush
Jimmy Carter
Gerald Ford
Herbert Hoover
William Howard Taft
 
epan said:
What do you mean by “unseated”.

There have been some one term presidents in the past century:

George HW Bush
Jimmy Carter
Gerald Ford
Herbert Hoover
William Howard Taft
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Carter is the once.

Bush–huge 3rd party
Ford-wasn’t an elected President
Hoover-I believe chose not to run again
Taft is outside the last 100 years, I believe.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Whoops

anti-women’s

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LOSE

You can not support abortion and be Catholic. You will learn this if you look it up. First ask your parents if it is OK to do so, obviously.
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Well I am a Catholic and Abortion is a Women’s issue. Men have no right saying what a Woman can do with her body. What a Woman does with her body is between her and her GOD. WHO ARE YOU to make decisions on who is Catholic and who is not ? You see, there are alot more “Cafeteria Catholic” out there then you would like to admit. I am shocked that SOME Catholics are drinking so much of “one size fits all” Koolaide :eek:
 
_Abyssinia said:
Romney campaign ignored abortion for the most part, he was a moderate on the issue, more pro life than Obama, but was not opposed to all abortion. If the Romney campaign had turned the ‘war on women’ accusation around and focused on Obama’s non support for sex selection abortion ban, taxpayer funding of abortions, and the fact that Obama’s support for unlimited abortion is opposed by the majority of Americans if you look at the polls, Romney could of had a winning issue to counter democrats attacks
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Romney campaign ignored abortion because they didnt have to win any pro-lifers. All he had to do was have the words “Pro-Life” stamped on his platform and he has won that vote.

It was a smart move not to bring up abortion in the election because the more he talks about it the more he alienates somebody: He either alienates moderates by being to staunchly pro-life or alienates his base- staunch pro-lifers- who feel he is being too moderate on the issue.

He had to try to walk a wire in the election and my argument is why walk the wire at all? The only winning move is not to play the game. The Republican party ought to just leave Social Issues for State Elections and run on limiting the power of the Federall Govt.
 
fissionu235 said:
Well I am a Catholic and Abortion is a Women’s issue. Men have no right saying what a Woman can do with her body. What a Woman does with her body is between her and her GOD. WHO ARE YOU to make decisions on who is Catholic and who is not ? You see, there are alot more “Cafeteria Catholic” out there then you would like to admit. I am shocked that SOME Catholics are drinking so much of “one size fits all” Koolaide :eek:
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That is absolutely the problem.

Another name for Cafeteria Catholic is Non-Catholic.

Does baseball allow each player to choose which rules to follow? Obviously not, as that would lead to chaos. Same thing here. Jesus did not say “go out and be popular”. He said to “go out and make disciples (of Him) of the whole world”.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Whoops

anti-women’s

laugh

LOSE

You can not support abortion and be Catholic. You will learn this if you look it up. First ask your parents if it is OK to do so, obviously.
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Oh and my Father is 77, Mom is 71… Catholic as well, and they agree with me 100 %… 😃
 
fissionu235 said:
Well I am a Catholic and Abortion is a Women’s issue. Men have no right saying what a Woman can do with her body. What a Woman does with her body is between her and her GOD. WHO ARE YOU to make decisions on who is Catholic and who is not ? You see, there are alot more “Cafeteria Catholic” out there then you would like to admit. I am shocked that SOME Catholics are drinking so much of “one size fits all” Koolaide :eek:
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:rolleyes:

Something tells me you are not who you claim to be, I could be wrong, and apologize in advance if I am. However Abortion is not a Women’s issue. It is a Human Rights issue and an abomination by God and if you are who you say you are, you wouldn’t say “her God” because there is only one God.
 
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