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Seriously? I think your attacks on the Church have gone far enough.
This looks like an ad hominem argument. This was a simple question as to whether or not a Church tribunal has ever made a mistake in granting an annulment. I believe that a fairly large percentage of appeals to the Roman Rota have resulted in a decision being overturned. This speaks to the possibility that the decision of a tribunal to grant a marriage annulment is not an infallible decision.
 
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Why bother? No matter what the thruth may bring…Newt will be supported by the smae who think it is an OK example to marry 3 times (Catholic at the time or not)…and it is OK…No matter the Church approved it or not…the fact remains…He has been married three times…and all children who would look up to him as president wther he does good things or not…will see that it is morally acceptable to marry three times…Somehow you can chance it and the Church may OK it…Marriage will mean nothing to many and if he had any morals he would step down,IMO. I’m sorry but the people involved in allowing him to be in full communion after three marriages knowing how public he has been, should have made a better decision.Scandal is a word which comes to mind…I have 3 children and would not want our president to have been married three times…and 2 are in Catholic school…so I find it offensive that he even runs leaving all of this explaining to children by Catholic parents to their children…And for a party which supposedlly stands for better morals than the other to even nominate him is just plain ignorant and elitist. They can do no wrong, even when they do.
It’s ok hon, he’s a Republican…it doesn’t matter, he has repented and joined the Church. Makes me wonder if John Edwards should give it a try again, only join the Church first.🤷

I understand what you are saying. Some think the Cain scandal was put upon by the Democrats with Obama in tow…you don’t have to think real hard who is behind all these women coming out of the woodwork on Cain. yeah, your first instinct is usually the correct one. 😃 You see “extreme conservatives eat their own”.😃
 
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It’s ok hon, he’s a Republican…it doesn’t matter, he has repented and joined the Church. Makes me wonder if John Edwards should give it a try again, only join the Church first.🤷

I understand what you are saying. Some think the Cain scandal was put upon by the Democrats with Obama in tow…you don’t have to think real hard who is behind all these women coming out of the woodwork on Cain. yeah, your first instinct is usually the correct one. 😃 You see “extreme conservatives eat their own”.😃
So, are you saying that your first instinct is that Cain cheated, so that’s what your going with?
 
So, are you saying that your first instinct is that Cain cheated, so that’s what your going with?
No, not my first instinct, not that I would be surprised…:eek:

Cain was a rising star in the polls, he was up there with Perry and Romney, until Perry had a mental breakdown on national tv and lost all credibility. Most will think it is the Democrats who brought out the women and accusations…nope…guess again. That is what I am saying. Who has suddenly risen above the foam of politics? :rolleyes:
 
He’s not getting my vote nor encouragement that he is a catholic. Forget it. Ya take a vow, ya take a vow…ya call yourself Cathlic…This is shame to me. . The protestants will be all over this. Disgrace. I was feeling kind of proud to be Catholic this is a bunch of nonsense…The party of lies courted by the church even if it hurts one of the biggest things She stood for…It seems to be all about money and power anymore…Not what it was meant for. Shame. What a shame.:mad:😦 There can no longer be any wonder why the muslims now outnumber us.
 
He’s not getting my vote nor encouragement that he is a catholic. Forget it. Ya take a vow, ya take a vow…ya call yourself Cathlic…This is shame to me. . The protestants will be all over this. Disgrace. I was feeling kind of proud to be Catholic this is a bunch of nonsense…The party of lies courted by the church even if it hurts one of the biggest things She stood for…It seems to be all about money and power anymore…Not what it was meant for. Shame. What a shame.:mad:😦 There can no longer be any wonder why the muslims now outnumber us.
And that my dear is why I never vote a straight ticket. I am an independent/moderate. The extremists have taken over politics as we know it and left those with common sense out in the cold. Don’t be too sure the Christian Right will be all over this. Remember they have been with Newt all the way from the beginning and Newt knows where all “their” skeletons are. Keep in mind the “Catholics” were never included in the “Christian Right” movement. We are, and always will be on the fringe, which is fine by me as I prefer my faith to my faith, not the prescribed/ordered faith of the country. If that is what people want, I hear the mid-east is accepting applicants.
 
Is questioning a politicians stance on abortion a political issue or a polticians spirituality?
Is there a difference with marriage?
How about freemasonry? I heard he was a 33rd degree freemason… it’s all over the web.
Don’t know how credible the sites are but tons of them say that…is the Vendetta against the church still going? I’d say he’s as close as they come…He makes a mockery of family, and marriage vows…which is exactlly the way I’d think they’d operate…Would they not say See the Church really doesn’t care about marriage vows…and they destroy it…terrible! Wish JPII could make a comment. I can ssee forgiveness. I am a sinner and understand forgiveness and that we are all human but can there be no humility and a supposed ‘leader’ step down for the sake of what is true and right? And be a true leader leaving nobody’s faith in the Church shaken. At least explain publiclly to the world that the Church is right and marriage should be only once…Be a man for crying out loud.
 
Is questioning a politicians stance on abortion a political issue or a polticians spirituality?
Is there a difference with marriage?
How about freemasonry? I heard he was a 33rd degree freemason… it’s all over the web.
Don’t know how credible the sites are but tons of them say that…is the Vendetta against the church still going? I’d say he’s as close as they come…He makes a mockery of family, and marriage vows…which is exactlly the way I’d think they’d operate…Would they not say See the Church really doesn’t care about marriage vows…and they destroy it…terrible! Wish JPII could make a comment. I can ssee forgiveness. I am a sinner and understand forgiveness and that we are all human but can there be no humility and a supposed ‘leader’ step down for the sake of what is true and right? And be a true leader leaving nobody’s faith in the Church shaken. At least explain publiclly to the world that the Church is right and marriage should be only once…Be a man for crying out loud.
As far as I understand, Gingrich does not take a policy stance on marriage that is contrary to Church teaching. He is in a valid marriage. He is a confirmed Catholic. He isn’t my first choice, but I would still vote for him in the general election over President Obama who holds many positions contrary to the Church.
 
As far as I understand, Gingrich does not take a policy stance on marriage that is contrary to Church teaching. He is in a valid marriage. He is a confirmed Catholic. He isn’t my first choice, but I would still vote for him in the general election over President Obama who holds many positions contrary to the Church.
Personally, the only difference I’m starting to see in him and Romney is that he seems to be smarter. Romney just looks like a Republican John Edwards, I don’t know why, but he just rubs me that way.
 
Personally, the only difference I’m starting to see in him and Romney is that he seems to be smarter. Romney just looks like a Republican John Edwards, I don’t know why, but he just rubs me that way.
Romney is more business-smart than Gingrich, and Gingrich is more history/book-smart than Romney. Both show good leadership ability. I think Romney rubs you the wrong way because he has a persona that appears fake…like a car salesman who is trying to hard to be your “friend.” Gingrich also rubs a lot of people the wrong way because of smugness.

Obama is more like Gingrich but without the leadership ability and speaking ability. He is good with a prepared/practiced speech and a TelePrompTer…that’s about it. 😛
 
Obama is more like Gingrich but without the leadership ability and speaking ability. He is good with a prepared/practiced speech and a TelePrompTer…that’s about it. 😛
IMO, President Obama is a very charismatic speaker. Unfortunately, he also appears to be a flip-flopper, he has stated his support, for example, for universal healthcare, but bowed to the insurance companies and let it slide. He talks about respect for life but is the most pro-abortion president ever. He’s an opportunist.I’m glad we had a black president but I wish we had a better one – perhaps that’s some of Mr. Cain’s appeal? But Cain has too many women coming out of the woodwork with accusations. . .
Mr Romney seems a decent sort, but hard to vote for a Mormon. The Garden of Eden was in Missouri - ?
Newt Gingrich is looking better all the time. He is able to put a coherent sentence together, and is clearly pro-life.
 
It could still be a problem for some voters. For example, take a look at what is happening to another Republican candidate as personal questions are being raised about him.
Why should these issues be a problem for Gingrich? They were of zero concern as regards Bill Clinton or Teddy Kennedy or John Edwards or a host of other Democrat candidates for various high offices.

We don’t do double standards here … a lower standard for Democrats … no more free passes.

Just as a reminder of how close Edwards came to becoming President of the United States and the reprehensible behavior he engaged in:

blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/12/today_in_sex_john_edwards_is_p.php
 
Personally, the only difference I’m starting to see in him and Romney is that he seems to be smarter. Romney just looks like a Republican John Edwards, I don’t know why, but he just rubs me that way.
With the minor exceptions that he earned his money ethically and he didn’t cheat on his terminally ill wife and produce a love child…among other things.
 
With the minor exceptions that he earned his money ethically and he didn’t cheat on his terminally ill wife and produce a love child…among other things.
I was referring to their politics. They both have flip flopped on a number of issues, which doesn’t worry me too much for most politicians. But with Romney and Newt it bothers me a bit that Newt use to back the mandatory purchase while Romney actually implemented it.

To be honest with you though Scott, I’ve always liked Ron Paul and would back him 100 percent if he got the nomination. But Ron Paul’s going to be like an artist, his work will be more valuable when he’s dead and gone than it ever was while he was alive. I have a feeling that we are going to regret not listening to that man a little bit closer one day.
 
Have Church tribunals ever made mistakes?
That’s a terrible foolish question. You have zero grounds to suspect the Church “made some mistake” and yet you still have the nrve to ask, as though the Church owes some random peon on this website an answer? Get over yourself. When the Church speaks on these matters, we are to accept what they said, regardless of what we believe.
 
21 days after the press first heralded the beginning of “the Gingrich Surge”, the day that this thread was started, over 400 posts and 28 pages later,** the biggest news of the Gingrich Surge has come!!!**

Newt Gingrich, who only recently started getting support upward of 20% in national polls, has just polled not 21% in a poll, but 21% AHEAD above Mitt Romney. I repeat, he is 21 points above Mitt Romney in a national poll recently released.

Here is the link:
realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

Newt Gingrich 38%
Mitt Romney 17%

Herman Cain and Ron Paul both at 8%
Perry, Santorum, and Bachmann all at 4%
Huntsman at 3%

Newt Gingrich is the first person to be ahead of Mitt Romney by more than 20 points.
Rick Perry beat him by 19 in one poll. But, Rick Perry collapsed because he didn’t seem to know what he was talking about. He didn’t bring a substantive message to the campaign trail… he hired some aids to worry about substance for him, and it showed. And he failed miserably.

Newt Gingrich claims “we are running the most substantive campaign in modern history”… and I would have to agree with that claim. He isn’t going to collapse because of a bad debate performance. Unlike Perry who dreaded the debates. Newt relishes them, and has said before “if there was a debate every day between now and Jan. 3, I would win Iowa”… he said that when he sat at about 7 or 8%.

Well, today Newt Gingrich got 38% in a national poll.

I’m sorry, is that significant enough to bear repeating in the largest font on CAF? I think it does… well here goes, the first time I’ve ever used size 7 font, prepare yourselves! 🍿

NEWT GINGRICH GETS 38% in NATIONAL POLL, 21 POINTS AHEAD MITT ROMNEY

WOOOAH. :eek: I hope no one wants to print this. LOL. 😃
So, what were all those attacks he got?
He was a lobbyist? He worked for Freddie Mac? His campaign was disorganized? He didn’t have any money? He wasn’t a likeable guy? His immigration policy was liberal?

[Even though its very similar to Regaan, Bush, McCain, and EVEN what Mitt Romney wrote in a book of his] … I respond to the only attack on a substantive policy part of a platform.

UH OH, It looks like all of those attacks have failed utterly.

In my opinion, it looks like a lot of people in the media are going to have some explaining to do about speaking these idle words to their Lord. [BIBLEDRB]Matthew 12:36[/BIBLEDRB]

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Remember when I said Newt Gingrich had 47% support in Floriday yesterday?
This article today says Newt Gingrich has hit 50% support in Florida. 50% out of 8 candidates.
humanevents.com/article.php?id=47875
 
A prediction. Gingrich is gaining because of GOP desperation, Every candidate seems to tumble. He likely will get the nomination barring any major development to topple him.
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   Yes, Gingrich might get that nomination. But millions of conservative Americans are going to be deeply troubled by his personal baggage. Excuses of all sorts are being offered, but three marriages, infidelity, even while assailing Clinton for Monica, being dropped by GOP when House speaker, $500,000 credit at Tiffany's, a well-paid advocate in Congress for Freddie Mac, even boasting that he received $60,000 a speech - these and other skeletons that certainly will emerge from Gingrich's closet will hurt him badly among many who believe in family values. Some will hold their nose and vote for him. Others will sit on their hands or vote third party. A strong third candidate may emerge, as when Bush I ran for reelection and lost because of Perot - and Gore was defeated by Nader. Many may stick with Ron Paul and write in his name. 

  Do we really want to set before our young people as well as our world a president so compromised by greed, corruption, and personal immorality? Many CAF posters seem to think that his conversion absolves him of all this. Many others may view his conversion as yet another part of his determined scheme to gain power. His ego obviously is huge! 

   Frankly, Perry has stumbled badly, but he just might win in a national election. Too bad Daniels stayed out of the race. Or, that Pawlenty left early, for that matter. 

   Mitt is the best equipped candidate, with his business background and his calm and cool demeanor, but like many others I find myself reluctant to elect a Mormon to the White House, especially a man who has been a Mormon bishop. To be born into Mormonism is one thing. To embrace it so completely is something else. Yet, the Constitution does say that there will be no 'religious test' for those who run for office. Mormons are fine people - probably more moral as a group than the rest of us. But they have to believe such stuff that it can make you wonder. On the other hand, there are those who say this about Catholics - or about all Christians for that matter.
 
IMO, President Obama is a very charismatic speaker. Unfortunately, he also appears to be a flip-flopper, he has stated his support, for example, for universal healthcare, but bowed to the insurance companies and let it slide. He talks about respect for life but is the most pro-abortion president ever. He’s an opportunist.I’m glad we had a black president but I wish we had a better one – perhaps that’s some of Mr. Cain’s appeal? But Cain has too many women coming out of the woodwork with accusations. . .
Mr Romney seems a decent sort, but hard to vote for a Mormon. The Garden of Eden was in Missouri - ?
Newt Gingrich is looking better all the time. He is able to put a coherent sentence together, and is clearly pro-life.
Obama is a good speaker with a teleprompter. Ever watch him in off-the-cuff remarks? Not good. He seems a little jerky in his delivery either way. But to each his own.
 
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 $500,000 credit at Tiffany's,
Can you tell me what’s wrong with having an account with Tiffany’s?
a well-paid advocate in Congress for Freddie Mac,
His consulting firm was paid fees for services rendered. Too bad they didn’t listen
even boasting that he received $60,000 a speech -
What is wrong with charging for speeches. Clinton does it. Most speakers I know charge for speaking.
these and other skeletons that certainly will emerge from Gingrich’s closet will hurt him badly among many who believe in family values.
They’re not skeletons any more.
Do we really want to set before our young people as well as our world a president so compromised by greed, corruption, and personal immorality?
I think the real moral issue is a president who supports and endorses the slaughter of millions of babies, born and unborn, supports SSM, drives our country into TRILLIONS of dollars in debt.

That’s the elephant sitting in a room. And you want to blast Newt for earning an honest living and having a Tiffany’s credit card in his wallet?
 
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