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buffalo said:
You don’t hear the opposite question asked. Should the Catholic Church be forced to close its adoption services in Massachusetts because it won’t accept gay couples, which is exactly what the state has done? Should the Catholic Church be driven out of providing charitable services in the District of Columbia because it won’t give in to secular bigotry?
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The government didn’t force Catholic Charities to close. Gringrich would do well to remember that Catholic Charities closed its adoption services because the people who supported their decision verbally failed to do so financially. The Catholic Church and its affiliated charities aren’t victims of secular “bigots”; they’re casualties of a lack of interest or inability on the part of Catholics to financially support their charities and social institutions. Perhaps Gingrich should be asking why Catholic Charities was so dependent on public funding instead of blaming the secular establishment which kept it running with tax dollars.
 
Gingrich, humble? Give me a break. Likens himself to Churchill, Reagan, etc. Seems to think that he is destined to be in the Oval Office.
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  As for women, I presume that being divorced from two is the proper way to relate to them? And the affairs in between, apparently with his present wife, 20 or so years his junior.

 It's sad that some well-intentioned people are blind to the damage he would do in the White House to America and to the Catholic Church.

 I noted that Adelson gave him $5 million because they agree on a ironclad policy re  Israel. That concerns me, also. Two wars in that part of the world has been plenty. I'm also quite sure that Adelson, who made his money from gamblers, would have a special influence on the White House if Gingrich were in it.  

  God bless and save America. May we help lead the world to harmony and peace.
 
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The government didn’t force Catholic Charities to close. Gringrich would do well to remember that Catholic Charities closed its adoption services because the people who supported their decision verbally failed to do so financially. The Catholic Church and its affiliated charities aren’t victims of secular “bigots”; they’re casualties of a lack of interest or inability on the part of Catholics to financially support their charities and social institutions. Perhaps Gingrich should be asking why Catholic Charities was so dependent on public funding instead of blaming the secular establishment which kept it running with tax dollars.
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While I don’t wade in the water in your stream, it does flow to a valid point:

We have become way too dependent on the state.
 
Roy5 said:
Gingrich, humble? Give me a break. Likens himself to Churchill, Reagan, etc. Seems to think that he is destined to be in the Oval Office.
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  As for women, I presume that being divorced from two is the proper way to relate to them? And the affairs in between, apparently with his present wife, 20 or so years his junior.

 It's sad that some well-intentioned people are blind to the damage he would do in the White House to America and to the Catholic Church.

 I noted that Adelson gave him $5 million because they agree on a ironclad policy re  Israel. That concerns me, also. Two wars in that part of the world has been plenty. I'm also quite sure that Adelson, who made his money from gamblers, would have a special influence on the White House if Gingrich were in it.  

  God bless and save America. May we help lead the world to harmony and peace.
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You are correct Roy5 He ain’t humble. His ego has been on display the whole time he’s been campaigning…He is full of himself.
 
One interesting part of Mormon history is that Joseph Smith , the founder , reportedly also had wanted to become President , possibly with the hope of a fast take over of the world , for his religion, in the style of Mohammed .

Thus, the emphasis on worldly power , as well as on financial control -which would go well along with the concept of women as chattel , that can be accumulated as one’s lustful desires dictate and with strict requirements on tithing , , as in Islam and thus the importance of money ; the flagship enterprises that have names that sound like
;'Maryout ’ , we seem to get a troubling pattern that undermines the very basic tenets of the faith as revealed to us - an Almighty God , who, in His goodness , chooses to become one with us , not to become a god for his own glory !

( Now, interesting that others have noted how tithing can help to augment faith or sense of commitment - thus, may be it can be better emulated , as a means , to help persons , to become more honoring of God , for what He gives us .)

True, our country , in many of the values we have chosen , or chosen to ignore , mirror the errors - life and realtionships , that have become like chattel that can be disposed with and idols of wealth and unjust power that seem to increasingly dictate our values .

The Church , through the Holy Spirit of God , has always known that a healthy , holy Mother relatioship can do much, to undo much of these unhealthy appetites , setting men and women free , to see the dignity of each other , as God intended it , without taking away from the truth and glory of who God is - for , that would undo our very basic identity of beings who find strenght and joy in worshiiping an all Good , all mighty, ever lasting God , who dwells with us !

It could very well be that worshipping at the Shrine of Immculate Conception , the dogma of which helps in a small bolt of light, to highlight all these truths as well as the extent of the errors , the GIngriches know the urgency of what we are faced with , feeling passionatley the need to counter same !

May The Father grant that we are blessed with the prayers and love of The Woman , concieved without sin , to set us free from all false gods !
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
The government didn’t force Catholic Charities to close. Gringrich would do well to remember that Catholic Charities closed its adoption services because the people who supported their decision verbally failed to do so financially. The Catholic Church and its affiliated charities aren’t victims of secular “bigots”; they’re casualties of a lack of interest or inability on the part of Catholics to financially support their charities and social institutions. Perhaps Gingrich should be asking why Catholic Charities was so dependent on public funding instead of blaming the secular establishment which kept it running with tax dollars.
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colmywaykurtz said:
Conservatives torn over defending, opposing Romney

news.yahoo.com/conservatives-torn-over-defending-opposing-romney-082026022.html

I think we can all tacitly agree that Gingrich’s bid for the nomination is fizzling…
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For a “conservative” to attack another “conservative” on market capitalism was a patently STUPID move. Gingrich is showing his true big-government colors. I hope he flames out, soon.

Santorum, another shooting star who’s already past his bright moment.

Huntsman. 🤷

Perry. I like him, needs to go back to governing Texas.
 
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a move in the other direction actually makes more sense. let’s eliminate tax free status for churches. they depend on the government and should pay for those services just as everyone else does.
 
Major General Bentley hit it on the head when he spoke of war. I have a problem with those who profess their faith in Christ, claim to endorse the Sermon on the Mount, yet seem so ready to rush into another military adventure. The profiteers make millions while young men and women in our military, and countless innocent civilians, lose their lives.
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In this respect I have considerable sympathy for Ron Paul, though disagree with him on many other matters. True, Iran has a bad government, but can you blame it for wanting a bomb to discourage Israeli hawks and possibly the war-hungry here in the USA? Israel has many such bombs, will not allow inspection, but instead of chiding her we send her billions of our tax money each and every year, while she continues to build setlements on the West Bank. All US administrations have opposed those settlements, yet Israel takes our money, our latest military equipment and our protection at the UN, then thumbs its nose at us and goes ahead and builds.  

Noted today that Bolton, whom Gingrich had selected to be his Secretary of State, has come out for Romney. That troubles me, although I'm inclined to think that he has concluded that Romney is winning and hopes to feather his own nest by getting on board. These politicians are mostly opportunists, of both parties. Hate to be cynical, but there we have it.  I just hope that if Romney is elected he will not appoint Bolton, the professional alarmist and war-pusher, to any position of importance in his administration.

 I may have to vote third party again as a way of being an active citizen while wanting to protest the nominees of both major parties. I did it twice over the years.  

 As for Gingrich, under no circumstances will I ever vote for him. Opportunist isn't a strong enough word to convey his position. If I spelled out my full feelings I suspect that I would be reprimanded for unChristian harshness by the CAF management. 

 God bless America, and may the Lord help us to work sincerely and vigorously for peace, justice, reconciliation and love. Didn't Christ put love above all else? That's what I read in the Bible. Maybe we ought to try it on a large scale. I have faith that it just might work. God is not dead.
 
Votiing for a professing Catholic , who chose to come into the faith as opposed to one
whose primary allegiance would be to a structure that is set on converting from the faith , to what they owe allegiance to - seems our choice would reflect where our loyalties really are !

Mormon mission appartus sends out 55,000 persons every year , their most difficult hurdle said to be rejection ; someone of that faith being an American President - guess we can imagine what the motive would be , to accomplish that …and what the culpabilties of those who ignore the possibe effects , in mission fields !

While conversion to prolife values are good,does it get nulified by making it easier for persons , to divert from what we accept as The way to salvation from trusting in an eternal , Triune God !

Could such self serving values affect the destiny of the nation at other levels, inclding econmy - like in the reading of The Mass today - 'it is not you they are rejecting, it is Me ’ , about Samuel .

After all , our dealings with hostile powers - China , Middle East would need someone whose heart has seen how /what and how God has done so , in recent years of our own experience !

May we be grateful and careful , in what The Kingdom is about !
 
Under pressure, Newt relents on attacks against Romney

“Under pressure from some in his own party, Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich on Thursday tempered his public attacks on front-runner Mitt Romney while defending his right to question the former Massachusetts governor’s business record. “If you ask about his career, it’s because he’s running for president,” Gingrich said of the questions he and his allies have raised about Romney’s tenure as head of a private equity fund.”- Washington Post
 
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Under pressure, Newt relents on attacks against Romney

“Under pressure from some in his own party, Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich on Thursday tempered his public attacks on front-runner while defending his right to question the former Massachusetts governor’s business record. “If you ask about his career, it’s because he’s running for president,” Gingrich said of the questions he and his allies have raised about Romney’s tenure as head of a private equity fund.”- Washington Post
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Good for Newt!

He needs to get back what made him rise… being above the attacks on other republicans.
 
jpchristian said:
I certainly agree with alot of what Gingrich has to say, but when it the more morally adept Rick Santorum going to get more props from the liberal media and greater support from his Catholic brothers and sisters?
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Don’t hold your breath waiting for Catholics to support Rick Santorum. He is way too Catholic for most Catholics I know.
 
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In 2010, Catholic Charities received $2.9 billion in government funding while only receiving $104 million in private donations. The only consequence of their refusal to allow same-sex couples to adopt children was that they lost their government funding. They closed their adoption services because they couldn’t raise enough private donations to keep it operating.
 
Oh my goodness… shouldn’t the ability to converse fluently in a widely-used foreign language be considered an asset for a potential leader of a superpower?
 
And it won’t be challenged in court and won because the people who worked at these agencies decided to disregard their bishops, drop their Catholic identity and follow the new master.

I believe they would have won, maybe 10-20 years from now. The government money is to serve the children, not the Catholic agency, not the homosexual agenda. The money should follow the children. Or no money should be taken and let private donations decide.
 
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