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He use to be Baptist and Lutheran, and his third marriage was at a hotel in 2000 I believe and he became Catholic in 2008 or 2009. So did he get married in a Catholic Church I don’t know, I didn’t see anything about that anywhere, if he didn’t he didn’t need annulments.
 
I watched a repeat broadcast last week of ‘The World Over’ on EWTN (via their YouTube channel), where Raymond Arroyo interviewed Newt and Callista Gingrich.

From what I can remember, Newt hasn’t been a Catholic for very long: a couple of years, at least.

I heard audio clips of his lashing out at the media about his marriages in last night’s debate. I was glad he said what he said! I whooped with joy and yelled, 'You tell ‘em, Newt!’ 👍

Good for him to tell the media off!
 
I’m just curious. I assume Newt Gingrich had his previous marriages anulled. Was this because he wasn’t Catholic at the time of his first two marriages?
As he became Catholic recently, I imagine that part of that process would have involved getting his marital situation straightened out. I don’t really feel a particular need to know all the details of how that played out for him, though.
 
I heard audio clips of his lashing out at the media about his marriages in last night’s debate. I was glad he said what he said! I whooped with joy and yelled, 'You tell ‘em, Newt!’ 👍 Good for him to tell the media off!
Unfortuneately, it also reminded me of Hillary’s speech, before Bill was forced to tell the truth.
 
Words from Gingrich:

“Ronald Reagan told conservatives in 1964 that that was a time for choosing. Lyndon Johnson was a radical, progressive President seeking to remake America. Reagan told Americans that they could either fight to preserve America as the last, best hope on earth, or consign their children to a thousand years of darkness. Right now, we have a President in Barack Obama far more radical than Johnson was, and the times we live in are far more dangerous.”

My words:

This is also a time for choosing. To paraphrase President Reagan again, we can nominate a timid Massachusetts moderate Republican who is unable to even explain the exemplary work he did at Bain … he is either too modest or too cautious or too tongue-tied or too shy, even after being in politics so many years … , or a proud Reagan conservative who is not afraid to take the battle to the radicals and who will carry a banner of bold colors that Americans can rally behind.
 
Well just because the CC say they didn’t happen doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

his annullments are none of our business but how many times hes been married and that may be important issues for some of us voters.
 
I personally think this is in bad taste unless Mr Gingrich is going to come on CAF and give us information about his decrees of nullity. Annulments are private matters by Canon law and we should respect that.
 
I’m just curious. I assume Newt Gingrich had his previous marriages anulled. Was this because he wasn’t Catholic at the time of his first two marriages?
grounds for annulment are confidential and not matter for speculation. If he had been previously married, and later wished to marry a Catholic he was required to submit his earlier marriages to the Catholic canon law tribunal to ascertain if they were valid. Since he was not at that time Catholic, unless his ex had been Catholic, that would not have been an issue. We assume in Christian charity that his previous marriages were not valid, for reasons we have no need to inquire, and that he is now validly married in the Catholic Church. His marital status and his status with the Church is none of our business quite frankly, because it involves speculation on the condition of the soul of another person, which we have no right to do. Unless and until he choses to make it a campaign issue, it is not.
 
His marital status and his status with the Church is none of our business quite frankly, because it involves speculation on the condition of the soul of another person, which we have no right to do. Unless and until he choses to make it a campaign issue, it is not.
His marital status IS our business, just as is the marital status of the other candidates. His status with the Church is not ours about which to speculate, but all voters can consider whether or not his three marriages and their circumstances reflect well on his viability as a Presidential candidate.

Even forgiven, there’s such a thing as the “temporal punishment due to sin,” and this doesn’t go away, even on a secular level.

It must be weighed by voters if he were to become the GOP candidate, which I think he will not be. But, that’s my opinion only.
 
Newt leads South Carolina polling

“Newtmentum is back, per Public Policy Polling: The company’s second of three daily tracking polls, released tonight, shows Newt Gingrich in first place in South Carolina with 35 percent and Mitt Romney 6 points behind at 29 percent. Rick Santorum and Ron Paul were tied for third with 15 percent each.” - Politico

“Mr. Gingrich has gained ground in the polls more than Mr. Romney has lost it. Two days ago, our forecast had Mr. Gingrich with 22.6 percent of the vote, so he has gained about 11 points since then. Meanwhile, Mr. Romney’s projection has declined less than 3 points — to 33.” - Nate Silver

Gingrich delivers show-stopper at beginning of South Carolina debate

“Newt Gingrich turned his contempt for the media into one of his strongest performances yet. When CNN Chief National Correspondent John King opened the debate with a question about open marriage, following an interview by Gingrich’s ex-wife that he had sought one, the Republican chastised him. “To take an ex-wife and make it two days before the primary a significant question in a presidential campaign is as close to despicable as anything I can imagine,” Gingrich told King, the moderator of the debate. Gingrich’s response elicited loud applause from the audience.” - CNN

Gingrich paid just under $1M in taxes for 2010 - USA Today
 
His marital status IS our business, just as is the marital status of the other candidates. His status with the Church is not ours about which to speculate, but all voters can consider whether or not his three marriages and their circumstances reflect well on his viability as a Presidential candidate.

Even forgiven, there’s such a thing as the “temporal punishment due to sin,” and this doesn’t go away, even on a secular level.

It must be weighed by voters if he were to become the GOP candidate, which I think he will not be. But, that’s my opinion only.
Rich I agree with your opinion completely.👍
 
his public record and political accomplishments aren’t exactly night and day. And his pompous taking credit for everything makes his accomplishments appear embellished and exaggerated as far as responsibility goes. He is a legend in his own mind.

You don’t have to agree with my assessment, but isn’t it a little odd and convenient to hold that Obligation for a huge chunk of Christian voters? Especially when Newt knows full well about the tenets of Christianity, that to be reluctant plays on the Christian’s conscience. Since Forgiveness is central??

When you read his conversion history , he talks about the Faith in aesthetic, intellectual phrases…

That’s not Faith…it’s never really a decision YOU make and faith isn’t ultimately based on ‘understanding’ It is supernatural.

Another thing, I find it a little odd, if you take Marianne’s side of the tale that Gingrich wanted an open marriage?
And Calista a staffer was okay at the time. So Gingrich wanted a sham marriage? For appearances sake THEN.

Ten years earlier… Gingrich is quoted by a friend that he wanted to leave his 1st wife “because she’s not young enough, or pretty enough to be a president’s wife”

So we know Gingrich has wanted to be president since 1980.

Gingrich divorced the 2nd wife when he had a younger mistress, and the 2nd wife was diagnosed with MS.

Marianne said that Gingrich said about Calista that she would help him become president.

americanthinker.com/blog/2011/12/court_files_show_gingrich_lying_about_first_divorce.html
  • We know from CNN’s report of divorce records in December.
    That the very same daughters that Gingrich uses to discredit the media.
    Own testimonies had holes in them. Gingrich’s camp was lying. Based on court records.
    The first wife didn’t want to get divorced.
  • We know from Marianne’s interview with esquire. That Marianne 's divorce was hard for her. But Calista wasn’t going to be deposed by Marianne’s lawyer. But by Gingrich.
    Marianne finds out that Gingrich set up for the media by his lawyer that told the press that the split was amicable. etc to soften and make Gingrich’s divorce white washed a little
    So we already have untruths from Gingrich’s side of the story. Based on the fact that these are records.
    The question isn’t repentance or forgiveness. It’s candidness and HONESTY.
    How do we know he ever was or still applying what he wanted the 2nd wife to do while in Congress now with Calista. Who seems to like the perks and wealth from Gingrich’s post-politician career where he’s become a multi-millionaire?
    Character IS connected into one’s work. It spills into ones work.
    Americans are supposed to value the stability of the family , because it helps promote a healthier nation?
    Yet we don’t care to question if the executive office may have that kind of man? who may not really believe in it?
    And if Gingrich is cynically using and calculating for this response from voters because he knows that Christians are very open and willing they want to see and take him at his veneer …
    Think about it. We have to take a politician at his word?? about reconciliation?
    When his word on policy is sketchy already!! Can already be proven that his word.
    It has been pointed out by others, that this is the man who endorsed a pro-gay activist, pro-abortionist, months after his conversion.
    I hope Gingrich doesn’t win South Carolina. He’s coming off less trustworthy than Mitt Romney. And that’s pretty untrustworthy.
So, you’re basing your conclusions on internet blogs and the tell-all from an ex-wife? How do you know whether Gingrich is sincere in being sorry for past bad decisions in his private life? Do you know what he’s thinking? Guess the power of Reconciliation doesn’t go far enough for you.
 
I’m just curious. I assume Newt Gingrich had his previous marriages anulled. Was this because he wasn’t Catholic at the time of his first two marriages?
Cardinal Wuerl was interviewed on Fox News Sunday by Chris Wallace at Christmas, here is an excerpt of that interview:

WALLACE: You conducted Newt Gingrich’s baptism when he a member – converted to the Catholic Church. Obviously, some voters, as they try to assess Newt Gingrich’s character, look back at his three marriages and what he says about what he calls mistake and his personal search for redemption. How do you suggest that voters weigh Gingrich’s life story?

WUERL: Well, since I had the privilege of confirming Newt Gingrich, I really wouldn’t be free to talk about his pastoral experience with the church, his relationship with the church. I don’t do that with anybody who comes for ministry in the church.

But I think we can all learn a lesson particularly when we get into the world of an election, that I think we want to respect everyone’s religious background. There shouldn’t be when we’re looking at what’s the best leader for our country, there shouldn’t be some sort of a litmus test what religion do they belong to, what is their religious experience.

I think what we want to do is look at the candidate to see – does that share the values that I think are important? Is that person present policies that I think advance the common good of our country?

So, I tend not to make any personal judgments upon the faith life of any candidate for public office.

WALLACE: And, briefly, and without making a specific of any person, if someone has sinned in the past, how should we judge that?

WUERL: We are a church of forgiveness because we’ve all been forgiven. In fact, we pray – forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. It’s the only petition in the Lord’s Prayer that’s conditioned.

Read more: foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/2011/12/25/mike-huckabee-handicaps-iowa-race-cardinal-donald-wuerl-meaning-christmas?page=3#ixzz1k1HkgbDh

This link says Gingrich went through the annulment process.
 
Are the marital discretions three marriages?

I think this would be a lot more damaging for Newt if he had these marital discretions while calling himself a Catholic. But because he is fairly new convert, he converted 2 years ago, I think it is less damaging.
Really, how is that?
 
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