Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

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It is a quote from the Gettysburg Address:

*Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.

We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract.

The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.
It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us – that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain – that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
 
This is what Catholics who vote pro-abortion come up with when they play mental twister. It’s sad really, that children have to pay the price.😦
Yeah, like they would live happily ever after if we played spin me a guilt trip instead…
 
I did watch this morning, and watched the program from the night before as well. Though my Catholic beliefs were not represented there (sigh), I am delighted to see a groundswell of christian support. It is my hope that this will help us bring those souls who have wandered back to the pews.

I don’t know why there was such low Catholic participation. Anyone? I know there is some discussion about comments regarding social justice, and I fall on the conservative side of that argument, so perhaps I am more sympathetic.
 
I did watch this morning, and watched the program from the night before as well. Though my Catholic beliefs were not represented there (sigh), I am delighted to see a groundswell of christian support. It is my hope that this will help us bring those souls who have wandered back to the pews.

I don’t know why there was such low Catholic participation. Anyone? I know there is some discussion about comments regarding social justice, and I fall on the conservative side of that argument, so perhaps I am more sympathetic.
I didn’t watch it myself, but reading your post I’m wondering now…is Glen Beck a preacher? Not that there would be anything wrong in him being one, but I used to watch him in the past and I was under the impression he was a political commentator though I may be mistaken in that regard.
 
50 million and counting in the US alone. The Catholic Church is quite clear that this is an issue like no other.
It is not something that is laughable.
Didn’t say at all abortion was laughable. Said I find calling the GOP the party of life laughable. The GOP is simply far from pro life in my view. But that’s because my definition of pro life far exceeds one issue. Though yes I know the Catholic Church has elevated this one issue like no other. Even more I believe than Jesus did. But that’s probably because when I read the Gospels I find social justice issues mentioned far more than the word abortion mentioned by Jesus. In any case, God bless and peace.
 
Did anyone else watch it this morning? It was so beautiful. Anyone know about how many people showed up?
No I didn’t. But did he have his chalkboard to record for us what the Holy Spirit was revealing to him? Have no idea on how many people showed up. I won’t be shocked though if he tells us it was the largest gathering ever to desend upon one place.
 
On the 47th anniversary of her uncle’s historic “I Have a Dream” speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, politician and activist Alveda King has joined conservative commentator Glenn Beck at the same spot to bring people together in paying tribute to America’s soldiers and “restoring honor” to America
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. Even more I believe than Jesus did. But that’s probably because when I read the Gospels I find social justice issues mentioned far more than the word abortion mentioned by Jesus. In any case, God bless and peace.
Hmmm. I guess Jesus needed to specifically say abortion was wrong?!?!

Mental twister indeed.
 
I didn’t watch it myself, but reading your post I’m wondering now…is Glen Beck a preacher? Not that there would be anything wrong in him being one, but I used to watch him in the past and I was under the impression he was a political commentator though I may be mistaken in that regard.
No takers so far I see…I stopped watching Beck when he seemed to get to the point (as happened years ago with O’Reilly) where he became the standard for right and wrong as in those agree with my viewpoint are right and everyone else is dancing on the edge of a cliff (O’Reilly used to call them “far left loons”). Now whenever right and wrong starts to get measured in terms of who rather than what, I hit the power button.

Still would like to know if he’s become a preacher though.
 
No takers so far I see…I stopped watching Beck when he seemed to get to the point (as happened years ago with O’Reilly) where he became the standard for right and wrong as in those agree with my viewpoint are right and everyone else is dancing on the edge of a cliff (O’Reilly used to call them “far left loons”). Now whenever right and wrong starts to get measured in terms of who rather than what, I hit the power button.

Still would like to know if he’s become a preacher though.
No takers on what? Your silly accusation?

Sometimes, when someone spouts something silly, like your question, you will be ignored.
 
I did watch this morning, and watched the program from the night before as well. Though my Catholic beliefs were not represented there (sigh), I am delighted to see a groundswell of christian support. It is my hope that this will help us bring those souls who have wandered back to the pews.

I don’t know why there was such low Catholic participation. Anyone? I know there is some discussion about comments regarding social justice, and I fall on the conservative side of that argument, so perhaps I am more sympathetic.
There was a Catholic who spoke last night. He was after the Rabbi.

His name escapes me now. He made that funny joke about he wasn’t use to clapping and shouts of AMEN… he spoke for 10 minutes.
 
No takers on what? Your silly accusation?

Sometimes, when someone spouts something silly, like your question, you will be ignored.
It’s not silly to me. When did Glenn beck become a preacher? Does one need any qualifications at all to be called one?
 
It’s not silly to me. When did Glenn beck become a preacher? Does one need any qualifications at all to be called one?
He isn’t a preacher. He is a religious man who talks openly about his belief in Christ.
He prays on his knees before every t.v. show, every radio show.

Good for him.

Obviously you dont know anything about him… you should watch or listen… then you might get a clue.
 
It’s not silly to me. When did Glenn beck become a preacher? Does one need any qualifications at all to be called one?
In the LDS church, your a priest at 12 years of age. Everyone in that church is called to preach. You know, that is suppose to be the same in the Catholic Church as well. We all need to ask ourselves, would we be brave enough to preach our faith as openly as Beck did today?

And you know, it was also the case that people wore their faith on their sleeves during the founding of our country as well. It is hard to not see it when you read the writings of the Founders. Even, Lincoln, used references to his faith in his speeches.

Beck gave what amounted to a sermon today. OK, fine, maybe the country needs that right now.

What I really didn’t see, which a good leader would do, is present a series of actions the citizens need to do going forward. Without that, I think today will just fade away.

What MLK did was use the “I have a Dream” speech to spring board into a series of demonstrations, marches and boycotts. In other words, civil actions. And that may be the major difference between today and what happened so many years ago.

Unless I missed something…
 
Still would like to know if he’s become a preacher though.
Beck is a member of the LDS church, and he has gone on preaching / missionary tours to talk about his conversion to the Mormon church. Look up Glenn Beck’s conversion story on Youtube, and you will see a video.

I personally don’t buy his conversion story, because certain aspects of it don’t seem to add up.

I think he actually became a Mormon or was interested in it while working for First Media and not after he got married and had kids. Curiously enough, Beck claims to have been an all out hedonistic alcoholic during this time.
In Seattle, Beck worked for one of several stations owned by First Media, a Mormon company based in Washington, D.C., and run by the hotel empire scion Dick Marriott. Among First Media’s growing portfolio of FM frequencies in 1982 was K 96, a small adult-contemporary station in Provo, Utah, just south of Salt Lake City.
Also, his father was a follower of Religious Science, and I don’t think he had a strong Catholic background. Beck still quotes Holmesian ideas in his commentary. If you listen carefully, you will hear bits of it in his personal opinions.
Religion is central to Beck’s current identity, but he didn’t grow up that way. Anticipating his own shotgun conversion to Mormonism, his father adopted Catholicism only because it was the precondition to sex and marriage with Mary. Before meeting his future wife, William Beck preferred a more modern form of spiritualism known as Religious Science. Developed by Ernest Shurtleff Holmes, the “science of mind” philosophy combined a Unitarian belief in god with a humanistic belief that man ultimately determines his own destiny through his thoughts and actions. Holmes is considered a proto-theorist of what would become the modern self-help movement, and his ideas early trickled down to the young Beck. Holmes has graced Beck’s recommended reading lists, and Holmesian ideas appear just two pages into Beck’s 2003 memoir cum manifesto, “The Real America,” which begins with dime store science-of-mind. “I have found there are four steps to change,” writes Beck. “1. You must want it. 2. You must believe it. 3. You must live it. 4. You will become it.”
source: salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/21/glenn_beck/print.html

Whether Beck is really a devout convert to Mormonism or simply a member of the LDS church in the same way his father was a member of the Catholic church is still up for question. I’m not sure.

Yes… he speaks like a missionary or preacher, because he has preached before.
 
In the LDS church, your a priest at 12 years of age. Everyone in that church is called to preach. You know, that is suppose to be the same in the Catholic Church as well. We all need to ask ourselves, would we be brave enough to preach our faith as openly as Beck did today?

And you know, it was also the case that people wore their faith on their sleeves during the founding of our country as well. It is hard to not see it when you read the writings of the Founders. Even, Lincoln, used references to his faith in his speeches.

Beck gave what amounted to a sermon today. OK, fine, maybe the country needs that right now.

What I really didn’t see, which a good leader would do, is present a series of actions the citizens need to do going forward. Without that, I think today will just fade away.

What MLK did was use the “I have a Dream” speech to spring board into a series of demonstrations, marches and boycotts. In other words, civil actions. And that may be the major difference between today and what happened so many years ago.

Unless I missed something…
Im a former Mormon and I can give you the Mormon view here. Basically what he did was what Mormons do in their sacrament meetings (comparable to Mass)

He gave what is known as a “talk”…In LDS Sacrament meetings 3 members of the congregation are asked to give a “talk” of some spiritual nature each Sunday…The Mormon bishop (pastor) of each ward (parish) rarely actually addresses the ward …Its spread out over the ward thur out the year

Its a very common place practice for Mormons 🙂
 
Back to the topic of this thread, about this being the measure of the tea party’s strength…

Taking into account that I am seeing his address today thru the prism of a former Mormon I think today’s rally is demonstrative of either tea party’s strength or weakness…I saw it as an evangelizing attempt (or in LDS-speak…missionary work of spreading the Gospel)…

JMO…
 
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