Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

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The SEIU has 2.2 million members
There is no arguing the fact that unions have a much smaller affect than in their heyday. Size and strength can also be measured in other numbers. And when it comes to what the corporations can dole out and the influence they have on our politicians, the SEIU could have double that and corporate America still wins.
 
All the people you mentioned are alive.

The aborted baby died.

I’d rather have Alzheimers than kill a baby to avoid it.
I am greatly offended by this. Not everyone shares your or my faith beliefs about an embryo/fetus. And no one said anything about killing a baby to avoid it. But as someone who has been the primary caregiver of a loved one suffering from alzhemers and has watched this loved one become a shell of what was as a result of and who succumbed to this dreaded disease, I pray with all my heart you never have it. God bless and peace.
 
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Pujols offers the following insight “I know a lot of people were thinking it was going to be a political thing or something like that. What I heard was … everybody praising God for the amazing things done in their life, family and the soldiers,”
The Hope Award was an honor that recognizes Pujols’ charity work. Tony LaRussa, the Cardinals’ manager, presented him with the award.
Albert Pujols was joined by other guests such as Sarah Palin and Alveda King at the event. It’s been controversial, but all in all the whole ordeal appears to have been a success.
 
There is a spirit of true ecumenism in what Glen Beck has organized here. What unites us as Christians more than theology is the goodness of God, the reality of the goodness of God in our lives even, and the desire to share that goodness for the well being of society at large. Mormons, Evangelicals, Catholics and Protestants who share in the desire to bring God into the public square, who share with each other the belief in the sacredness of life from conception to death, have much more in common with each other than with those in their own faith traditions who follow the Satanic lies that have led to the death of the 50 million unborn in America in the last generation.
“Those who follow my teachings are my mother and sister and brother”, are the words of the Spirit of Christ that unite us into one body.

There is One God, one Spirit, one teaching. Those who share in that teaching are one with us, Catholic in the truest sense of the word.
Those who do not, shall be cleaved from us.
 
There is a spirit of true ecumenism in what Glen Beck has organized here. What unites us as Christians more than theology is the goodness of God, the reality of the goodness of God in our lives even, and the desire to share that goodness for the well being of society at large. Mormons, Evangelicals, Catholics and Protestants who share in the desire to bring God into the public square, who share with each other the belief in the sacredness of life from conception to death, have much more in common with each other than with those in their own faith traditions who follow the Satanic lies that have led to the death of the 50 million unborn in America in the last generation.
“Those who follow my teachings are my mother and sister and brother”, are the words of the Spirit of Christ that unite us into one body.

There is One God, one Spirit, one teaching. Those who share in that teaching are one with us, Catholic in the truest sense of the word.
Those who do not, shall be cleaved from us.
Are we allowed now to discuss abortion?
 
There is a spirit of true ecumenism in what Glen Beck has organized here.
I couldn’t disagree more. After the rally, Beck went on Fox to say that Obama is not really a Christian because Obama believes that Christianity is about helping society as a whole and because Beck alleges he subscribes to “liberation theology.” To suggest that people that believe that Christ calls us to work for society as a whole are not Christians is not ecumenism. I have no idea if Obama subscribes to liberation theology, but I know that hundreds of millions of Catholics do, in varying degrees. Beck appears to be applying a political litmus test to Christianity. Those that subscribe to his political views are “real” Christians. Those that do not are not Christian at all. That is not particularly ecumenical (not to mention terrible theology).
 
I couldn’t disagree more. After the rally, Beck went on Fox to say that Obama is not really a Christian because Obama believes that Christianity is about helping society as a whole and because Beck alleges he subscribes to “liberation theology.” To suggest that people that believe that Christ calls us to work for society as a whole are not Christians is not ecumenism. I have no idea if Obama subscribes to liberation theology, but I know that hundreds of millions of Catholics do, in varying degrees. Beck appears to be applying a political litmus test to Christianity. Those that subscribe to his political views are “real” Christians. Those that do not are not Christian at all. That is not particularly ecumenical (not to mention terrible theology).
What Beck said was that the church Obama used as his vehicle to conversion and attended for 20 years, until his election to the presidency, preached Liberation Theology (to be exact, Black Liberation Theology). Beck also mentioned that Liberation Theology is not what he was embracing since it is more Marxism than Christianity. The fact that Rev. Wright preaches Black Liberation Theology is pretty well documented. That Liberation Theology has its roots in Marxism and is not a real Christian doctrine is taught by the Catholic Church:
  1. This all-embracing conception thus imposes its logic and leads the “theologies of liberation” to accept a series of positions which are incompatible with the Christian vision of humanity. In fact, the ideological core borrowed from Marxism, which we are referring to, exercises the function of a determining principle. It has this role in virtue of its being described as “scientific”, that is to say, true of necessity. In this core, we can distinguish several components.
  2. According to the logic of Marxist thought, the “analysis” is inseparable from the praxis, and from the conception of history to which this praxis is linked. The analysis is for the Marxist an instrument of criticism, and criticism is only one stage in the revolutionary struggle. This struggle is that of the proletarian class, invested with its mission in history.

9. In particular, the very nature of ethics is radically called into question because of the borrowing of these theses from Marxism. In fact, it is the transcendent character of the distinction between good and evil, the principle of morality, which is implicitly denied in the perspective of the class struggle.

newadvent.org/library/docs_df84lt.htm
 
What Beck said was that the church Obama used as his vehicle to conversion and attended for 20 years, until his election to the presidency, preached Liberation Theology (to be exact, Black Liberation Theology). Beck also mentioned that Liberation Theology is not what he was embracing since it is more Marxism than Christianity. The fact that Rev. Wright preaches Black Liberation Theology is pretty well documented. That Liberation Theology has its roots in Marxism and is not a real Christian doctrine is taught by the Catholic Church:
  1. This all-embracing conception thus imposes its logic and leads the “theologies of liberation” to accept a series of positions which are incompatible with the Christian vision of humanity. In fact, the ideological core borrowed from Marxism, which we are referring to, exercises the function of a determining principle. It has this role in virtue of its being described as “scientific”, that is to say, true of necessity. In this core, we can distinguish several components.
  2. According to the logic of Marxist thought, the “analysis” is inseparable from the praxis, and from the conception of history to which this praxis is linked. The analysis is for the Marxist an instrument of criticism, and criticism is only one stage in the revolutionary struggle. This struggle is that of the proletarian class, invested with its mission in history.

9. In particular, the very nature of ethics is radically called into question because of the borrowing of these theses from Marxism. In fact, it is the transcendent character of the distinction between good and evil, the principle of morality, which is implicitly denied in the perspective of the class struggle.

newadvent.org/library/docs_df84lt.htm
Whatever the source of his comments, it can hardly be said that Beck’s politicized version of Christianity is ecumenical.
 
Whatever the source of his comments, it can hardly be said that Beck’s politicized version of Christianity is ecumenical.
You don’t have to accept Marxism to be ecumenical :rolleyes:
 
Whatever the source of his comments, it can hardly be said that Beck’s politicized version of Christianity is ecumenical.
What politicized version is that? The only politicized version of Christianity I know of is what Obama is peddling-that is that salvation is a group effort., Which of course just happens to nicely tie in with his big government, far left agenda.
 
What politicized version is that? The only politicized version of Christianity I know of is what Obama is peddling-that is that salvation is a group effort., Which of course just happens to nicely tie in with his big government, far left agenda.
Just as Beck’s Christianity=Capitalism version of Christianity ties in with his far right agenda.

One can agree or disagree with Beck, but surely we can all agree that he has a highly politicized view of religion, and one that is not in the least ecumenical. BTW, I don’t disagree that many on the left have a similarly politicized view of religion, I just think it disingenuous for either side to put itself forward as more inclusive, or even more Christian. Christ did not come to push any political agenda, be it Mr. Beck’s or Mr. Obama’s.
 
I hate to be express pessimism, however I am curious to see who funded this rally.
 
Just as Beck’s Christianity=Capitalism version of Christianity ties in with his far right agenda.

One can agree or disagree with Beck, but surely we can all agree that he has a highly politicized view of religion, and one that is not in the least ecumenical. BTW, I don’t disagree that many on the left have a similarly politicized view of religion, I just think it disingenuous for either side to put itself forward as more inclusive, or even more Christian. Christ did not come to push any political agenda, be it Mr. Beck’s or Mr. Obama’s.
Read the links in my post above. Liberation Theology isn’t ia version of Chritianity, it is Marxism. That is all that Beck is saying. Same thing the Catholic Church is saying. Neither the Catholic Churcn nor Beck need to embrace Marxism to be inclusive or ecumenical. Your placing a burden on Beck that we Catholics don’t place upon ourselves. In fact, if Beck embraced Liberation Theology I would worry because Liberation Theology often leads to violent revolution.
 
While we’re on the subject of Marxist Liberation Theology, I believe the Pope has stated in the past that it is contrary to the Catholic Faith.
 
While we’re on the subject of Marxist Liberation Theology, I believe the Pope has stated in the past that it is contrary to the Catholic Faith.
Yes, most ceertainly.
It is not a matter of left or right, Mormon or Catholic, but ultimately fidelity to the truth, which resides in the dogmas of the Church.
 
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