Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

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What I found sadly ironic is that the very same people who complain about how “white” the Restoring Honor rally was (in spite of MLK’s neice and breakfast with Bill Cosby, among others) have nothing to say about how black Al Sharpton’s “counter-rally” was, with its dozens of supporters.
 
Catherine_D said:
While we’re on the subject of Marxist Liberation Theology, I believe the Pope has stated in the past that it is contrary to the Catholic Faith.
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Pope John Paul the Great issued Libertatis Nuntius 25 years ago, and Pope Benedict XVI has been on a crusade against liberation theology, particularly in South America.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/benedict_xvi_cautions_against_dangers_of_marxist_liberation_theology/

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19860322_freedom-liberation_en.html
 
TMC said:
I couldn’t disagree more. After the rally, Beck went on Fox to say that Obama is not really a Christian because Obama believes that Christianity is about helping society as a whole and because Beck alleges he subscribes to “liberation theology.” To suggest that people that believe that Christ calls us to work for society as a whole are not Christians is not ecumenism. I have no idea if Obama subscribes to liberation theology, but I know that hundreds of millions of Catholics do, in varying degrees. Beck appears to be applying a political litmus test to Christianity. Those that subscribe to his political views are “real” Christians. Those that do not are not Christian at all. That is not particularly ecumenical (not to mention terrible theology).
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Collective salvation of black liberation theology is demonic, according to Pope Benedict XVI. Pope John Paul II spoke in no uncertain terms that liberation theology was of the same Marxist philosphy that enslaved Poland for much of his life, and he exerted great efforts to purge it from the Church.

True ecumenism for Catholics begins with finding common cause with other Christians who share the essential message of the Church. Beck’s rally in this regard was no political, but stressed the theme of one nation under God, allowing the Holy Spirit into our lives to guide us in all aspects of our lives, even public—especially public in fact.

This is not a political message. He made every effort to ensure that it would not be. This is a message that all Christians ought to be able to agree on.
 
josephdavid said:
Great organization. I have some old friends who benifit from those donations.

But what I am concerned about is who gave money to Mr. Beck to put this thing together.
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Beck and several other organizations, such as Liberty College, held an auction to raise the funds for this, with the rest going to the Special Operations Warriors Foundation (SOWF)
 
j1akey said:
This question really surprised me after all the posts I see on here questioning who’s funding who.
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Unless one thinks there is something inherently wrong with the message who funds it is irrelevant. What about Glenn Beck’s message did you find offensive
 
gilliam said:
Read the links in my post above. Liberation Theology isn’t ia version of Chritianity, it is Marxism. That is all that Beck is saying. Same thing the Catholic Church is saying. Neither the Catholic Churcn nor Beck need to embrace Marxism to be inclusive or ecumenical. Your placing a burden on Beck that we Catholics don’t place upon ourselves. In fact, if Beck embraced Liberation Theology I would worry because Liberation Theology often leads to violent revolution.
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I have read the Church’s statements on liberation theology, they are the basis of my statements. The Church has condemned some aspects and excesses of liberation theology that were linked to Marxist thought. But the principles underlying most of liberation theology, including the preferential option for the poor, are sound Catholic theology:
This warning should in no way be interpreted as a disavowal of all those who want to respond generously and with an authentic evangelical spirit to the “preferential option for the poor.” It should not at all serve as an excuse for those who maintain the attitude of neutrality and indifference in the face of the tragic and pressing problems of human misery and injustice. It is, on the contrary, dictated by the certitude that the serious ideological deviations which it points out tends inevitably to betray the cause of the poor. More than ever, it is important that numerous Christians, whose faith is clear and who are committed to live the Christian life in its fullness, become involved in the struggle for justice, freedom, and human dignity because of their love for their disinherited, oppressed, and persecuted brothers and sisters. More than ever, the Church intends to condemn abuses, injustices, and attacks against freedom, wherever they occur and whoever commits them. She intends to struggle, by her own means, for the defense and advancement of the rights of mankind, especially of the poor.
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The problem with liberation theology is that its proponents replaced true theology with politics, and tranformed religion into merely a system of ethics. Those on the right that wish to replace true Catholic theology with capitalistic principles and to reduce religion to their own ethical and cultural mores are doing the same thing from the other side. Neither are consistent with Catholic teaching.
 
TMC said:
I have read the Church’s statements on liberation theology, they are the basis of my statements. The Church has condemned some aspects and excesses of liberation theology that were linked to Marxist thought. But the principles underlying most of liberation theology, including the preferential option for the poor, are sound Catholic theology:

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actually the preferential option for the poor is not Catholic theology. It was a bad translation. In Latin it says “afflicted” instead of poor
 
TMC said:
This warning should in no way be interpreted as a disavowal of all those who want to respond generously and with an authentic evangelical spirit to the “preferential option for the poor.” It should not at all serve as an excuse for those who maintain the attitude of neutrality and indifference in the face of the tragic and pressing problems of human misery and injustice. It is, on the contrary, dictated by the certitude that the serious ideological deviations which it points out tends inevitably to betray the cause of the poor. More than ever, it is important that numerous Christians, whose faith is clear and who are committed to live the Christian life in its fullness, become involved in the struggle for justice, freedom, and human dignity because of their love for their disinherited, oppressed, and persecuted brothers and sisters. More than ever, the Church intends to condemn abuses, injustices, and attacks against freedom, wherever they occur and whoever commits them. She intends to struggle, by her own means, for the defense and advancement of the rights of mankind, especially of the poor.
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Could you please state which document this is with a link?
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TMC said:
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The problem with liberation theology is that its proponents replaced true theology with politics, and tranformed religion into merely a system of ethics. Those on the right that wish to replace true Catholic theology with capitalistic principles and to reduce religion to their own ethical and cultural mores are doing the same thing from the other side. Neither are consistent with Catholic teaching.
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Ayn Rand describes a ;religion’ that replaces Catholic theology with capitalistic principles. she is explicitly non-Christian of course.

Other than that there is no Catholic equivalent of liberation theology outside of the fascism and ancient regimes of previous eras.

The preponderance of conservative Catholics reject fascism unequivocally too.
 
estesbob said:
actually the preferential option for the poor is not Catholic theology. It was a bad translation. In Latin it says “afflicted” instead of poor
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Are we now back to Fr. Gutierrez, the “father” of liberation theology," who coined this phrase? He was also a disciple of George Tyrrell who was expelled from the Jesuit order. Fr. Tyrrell taught that theology must not come “from above” (meaning the hierarchial Church, but rather, “from below” - that is from the people of God. :eek:

‘Glenn Beck’: Liberation Theology and the Political Perversion of Christianity

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,596703,00.html
 
Tigg said:
Are we now back to Fr. Gutierrez, the “father” of liberation theology," who coined this phrase? He was also a disciple of George Tyrrell who was expelled from the Jesuit order. Fr. Tyrrell taught that theology must not come “from above” (meaning the hierarchial Church, but rather, “from below” - that is from the people of God. :eek:

‘Glenn Beck’: Liberation Theology and the Political Perversion of Christianity

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,596703,00.html
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Could be!

It is interesting that with abortion and homosexuality the Left always tells us the Church really didn’t mean what it said but with other social issues dear to their heart they tell us a church really didn’t say what it meant
 
estesbob said:
Could be!

It is interesting that with abortion and homosexuality the Left always tells us the Church really didn’t mean what it said but with other social issues dear to their heart they tell us a church really didn’t say what it meant
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In the books that I have read about Dr. King was that he subscribed to Liberation Theology. In fact the speach he gave that has been coined as the “I Have a Dream” speech, was at a gathering to plea to the federal government for jobs and equal rights to have jobs.

In fact the sad day which Dr. King was assignated he was to make a speach at a garbage collector’s union meeting.

Some irony huh?
 
josephdavid said:
In the books that I have read about Dr. King was that he subscribed to Liberation Theology. In fact the speach he gave that has been coined as the “I Have a Dream” speech, was at a gathering to plea to the federal government for jobs and equal rights to have jobs.

In fact the sad day which Dr. King was assignated he was to make a speach at a garbage collector’s union meeting.

Some irony huh?
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I doubt he did.

The rally was planned over a year ago. Beck wanted to have something on 9-12 of last year… but could not get a permit in time. So… he got one for that date not realizing it was the MLK speech day.

Anyway… The rally was not an MLK event. It was a restoring honor day and turning back to God.
 
Stjudeprayforus said:
I doubt he did.
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Your doubt comes from…?
The rally was planned over a year ago. Beck wanted to have something on 9-12 of last year… but could not get a permit in time. So… he got one for that date not realizing it was the MLK speech day.
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Anyway… The rally was not an MLK event. It was a restoring honor day and turning back to God.
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Sure made a lot of references to Rev. Dr. King.
 
estesbob said:
Could be!

It is interesting that with abortion and homosexuality the Left always tells us the Church really didn’t mean what it said but with other social issues dear to their heart they tell us a church really didn’t say what it meant
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I have no idea why you find it so interesting. Many Catholics don’t think God meant six 24hr days in Genesis with the evening and morning forming a day. We don’t take everything literally. Jesus didn’t even utter the word abortion. Many a Catholic woman speak in Church despite what Paul said. But Christ sure enough spoke clearly about the poor, the hungry, the homeless, the sick and how serving them serves Him and by doing these things how you shall have eternal life.

I refer you to my SN. See Matt 25. Begin @ verse 31 and read to the end of the chapter for what Christ emphasized for righteousness and eternal life. You don’t even need an Apostolic successor to interpret it. Christ made His social Gospel pretty clear.

When the Church and individuals have not for whatever reason been able to fully achieve Christ’s mission, govt can indeed play a role as well in making a huge difference in the lives of these Children of God.

God bless you and peace.
 
josephdavid said:
Your doubt comes from…?

Sure made a lot of references to Rev. Dr. King.
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Well…if he was a black liberation guy… then I no longer have any respect for his mission.
As a Catholic… that is evil.

I know polite must be a hard concept for some… but when realizing it was the date its nice to remember.
 
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