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4elise
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I’m grateful that I don’t hold Glen Beck to be an authority in the Church…
Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?
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4elise
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See I missed that… you are a teacher!
My apologizes for assuming that you were called ‘professor’ with a sneer
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kbkam
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I guess, I’m not ready to make a clean ‘getaway’!
4elise
He does the combo of what he calls “Entertainment and Enlightenment” and he does have inside info on many things, because of the importance of what he talks about, people have come to him and he checks them every which way. He is a voracious reader about politics and American history and different forms of government. I can give you one example of inside info–when the war/terrorism etc was front and center, he had on authors like Vince Flynn, Joel Rosenberg and Brad Thor. They write fiction and it would be easy to dismiss them for that, BUT, they were also members of a team that did ‘war gaming’ for the Pentagon. It was their job to think up scenarios and responses that were unheard of. Reading some of their books, it was disconcerting to see how their written words actually happened just before publication, or soon after.
Sometimes, I sigh, too with his presentation, but most of what sounds like fear mongering have come true. If I had taken my retirement savings out of the stock market when he was warning about that, I’d be in a better position today.
Also, is it fear mongering about Obama’s mentor Bill Ayers and his plan to change the education system-
Today-story in Minn
dominicanddinah
So because there was a direct comment to me, I’m responding.
ViaDelorosa
We do have health care, although it’s out of our pockets COBRA . Main ‘breadwinner’ lost job in Nov 08. Because of this wonderful economy where the only job growth is in the ever expanding government, there hasn’t been an opportunity to be hired full time, so we are both self employed and must provide it without help from an employer; BTW many employers are doing this so they don’t have to pay benefits or FICA taxes, so the self employed must pay both halves. Even though we have to dig deep, I don’t blame small business if it’s done for their survival-else there would be even more people unemployed. (That’s an example of the golden goose mentioned by convert66 I think).
bullying It is an important subject-If you are the arbitrator, I hope you delve a little deeper into any accusations in your classroom than you did on this forum-did you ever record and/or watch the GB show yesterday where he fully explained everything for the nth time? Just remember this forum when you might have a child on one side that you just don’t care for much.
**Teabagger **Via, do you use this term to describe the TEA Party (taxed enough already) purposely? As I’ve gathered from blogs and sites you’ve referenced, I can see how you’ve adopted that vile term. Do you know what it means? Look up ‘teabagging’ on Wiki. I will not post it here. One of the Saul Alinsky tactics the left uses, is to mock and denigrate their opponents, so people won’t be inclined to get past the slurs and really investigate-oh I see now :idea:, It worked on you with GB. Now you’ve confirmed where you are coming from…
If you are fully aware of the reference above and continue to use it, it’s easy to be skeptical of the sincerity of your “God Bless”.
4elise
is exactly what GB had written on his board yesterday in the program. He also described the evolution of the term from Jesus to progressives and how it became perverted. You may not like his style, but he really doesn’t jump from A to H- he uses a chalk board and goes point by point. You posted while I was writing this, so I see that you’ve investigated some- for that I thank you and your credibility is more assured in my mind.
He does the combo of what he calls “Entertainment and Enlightenment” and he does have inside info on many things, because of the importance of what he talks about, people have come to him and he checks them every which way. He is a voracious reader about politics and American history and different forms of government. I can give you one example of inside info–when the war/terrorism etc was front and center, he had on authors like Vince Flynn, Joel Rosenberg and Brad Thor. They write fiction and it would be easy to dismiss them for that, BUT, they were also members of a team that did ‘war gaming’ for the Pentagon. It was their job to think up scenarios and responses that were unheard of. Reading some of their books, it was disconcerting to see how their written words actually happened just before publication, or soon after.
Sometimes, I sigh, too with his presentation, but most of what sounds like fear mongering have come true. If I had taken my retirement savings out of the stock market when he was warning about that, I’d be in a better position today.
Also, is it fear mongering about Obama’s mentor Bill Ayers and his plan to change the education system-
Today-story in Minn
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Now ALL student loans go through the federal government-paying for health care on the backs of America’s students-think there won’t be bias? Just try to connect some dots and youll be alarmed too. Even if he’s only 50% right, I fear for my kids’ future. I don’t prefer to take the Nero approach, fiddling while Rome burns. As I write this , GB is again warning against violence and advising people to turn to God, not react violently if they get frustrated.
dominicanddinah
So am I, and he has never claimed to be, so that would just be silly!
So because there was a direct comment to me, I’m responding.
ViaDelorosa
No, no stroke, and were you implying lack of mental acuity? I don’t think my post sounded angry or that there was any disturbance of blood flow to my brain.
We do have health care, although it’s out of our pockets COBRA . Main ‘breadwinner’ lost job in Nov 08. Because of this wonderful economy where the only job growth is in the ever expanding government, there hasn’t been an opportunity to be hired full time, so we are both self employed and must provide it without help from an employer; BTW many employers are doing this so they don’t have to pay benefits or FICA taxes, so the self employed must pay both halves. Even though we have to dig deep, I don’t blame small business if it’s done for their survival-else there would be even more people unemployed. (That’s an example of the golden goose mentioned by convert66 I think).
bullying It is an important subject-If you are the arbitrator, I hope you delve a little deeper into any accusations in your classroom than you did on this forum-did you ever record and/or watch the GB show yesterday where he fully explained everything for the nth time? Just remember this forum when you might have a child on one side that you just don’t care for much.
**Teabagger **Via, do you use this term to describe the TEA Party (taxed enough already) purposely? As I’ve gathered from blogs and sites you’ve referenced, I can see how you’ve adopted that vile term. Do you know what it means? Look up ‘teabagging’ on Wiki. I will not post it here. One of the Saul Alinsky tactics the left uses, is to mock and denigrate their opponents, so people won’t be inclined to get past the slurs and really investigate-oh I see now :idea:, It worked on you with GB. Now you’ve confirmed where you are coming from…
If you are fully aware of the reference above and continue to use it, it’s easy to be skeptical of the sincerity of your “God Bless”.
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ManOnFire
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Progressives in the media realized several decades ago that the Church succeeds in romancing us into attendance: e.g. lyrics from Pink Floyd’s song Time, (regarding Church) “Draws the faithful to their knees, hear the softly spoken magic spell.” They realized that they could romance our belief systems through comedy and entertainment, away from Church teaching (the message is so strong that some priests have given in, worshipping false gods?). Many of these messages of pop culture media robs kids of their innocence and goes against Church teaching. Just look at how the trashy fashion industry and kids shows display cleavage on 14 year old girls. Pop culture media’s “softly spoken magic spell” is “just feel good” and “be against anyone who gets in your way.” They pander to basic feelgood instincts instead of delayed gratification and sophistication. This unprecedented level of permissiveness is creating weak people who just want to feel good. Too mant parents take the easy road by being permissive, letting their kids do whatever the kids want. Then, too many kids become brats and we pretend to be shocked. All of this dreamy feelgoodism causes people to think passionately with their emotions and demand “social justice” because the dream just feels too good. Yet, ll the emotion in the world won’t pay the bills in a place that is nearly bankrupt.
I’m just blown away by the number of teachers who can’t see that kids would rather be entertained than study. All this dreamy feelgoodism that is promoted by media is enslaving our kids into the pursuit of the soft life of entertainment. It’s good for their profits, but takes us away from strength. Then we wonder why they aren’t learning.
I’m just blown away by the number of teachers who can’t see that kids would rather be entertained than study. All this dreamy feelgoodism that is promoted by media is enslaving our kids into the pursuit of the soft life of entertainment. It’s good for their profits, but takes us away from strength. Then we wonder why they aren’t learning.
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catharina
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The article posted by Via, the OP, is clear that Glenn Beck’s words were advising people to leave their Church if their priests preached social justice. Many later posts expanded on GB’s explanations, re-considerations, backtracking, ‘what-i-meant-to-say’ and so forth. Nonetheless this thread referenced the original article asking ‘has he attacked the Church?’ It seems to me that yes, he attacked the Church and he has been ‘making nice’ ever since.
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Ella
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agreed.
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magdelaine
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Kbam and Convert66, bravo. You have brilliantly dissected Via’s nasty comments. FWIW, it seems, from the examples provided here, that progressivism and critical thinking are like matter and anti-matter; it’s not possible for them to exist in the same space.
I think what could be said on this thread has been said, and I’m going to avoid it lest *my *bloodpressure raise.
I think what could be said on this thread has been said, and I’m going to avoid it lest *my *bloodpressure raise.
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catharina
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It is pointless and uncharitable to describe another’s posts as “nasty” and it’s not allowed here.
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kbkam
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Catherina said and Ella agreed:
Vasian posted @290 quoting transcripts of an interview.
I posted
Did either of you hear the actual show, or just peoples’ opinions of it? As I mentioned, I listen online and heard both sides of the ORIGINAL conversation and I assure you he meant leaving churches preaching progressive political causes under the guise of social justice and stated just that. No backtracking was necessary.
Vasian posted @290 quoting transcripts of an interview.
I posted
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catharina
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kbkam
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I did address it- I suggest you look it up, so code words don’t slip by-just to be consistent.
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RWMorris
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I’m not asserting anything. It sounds to me like St. Paul is doing the asserting.
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RWMorris
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Teabagger:
- one who carries large bags of packaged tea for shipment.
- a man that squats on top of a womens face and lowers his g******s into her mouth during sex, known as “teabagging”
- one who has a job or talent that is low in social status
- a person who is unaware that they have said or done something foolish, childlike, noobish, lame, or inconvenient.
- also see “fgbg”, “lamer”, “noob”
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catharina
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Good. You addressed it
Why should I?
Political code-words don’t interest me.
They change in a blink of the eye.
Is that a problem for you?
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4elise
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Sorry if my question was not clear.
I am asking you if you believe the exhortation by St. Paul to those in the early community applies TODAY to those who can not find work, or who do not have the same advantages of education, familial resources, etc…?
I wonder how people can pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they don’t have shoes?
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4elise
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The tone on this and so many threads sadly seems indicative of the intolerance (on both sides of the issue) many have today for people who they disagree with 
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Does anyone think that identifying oneself and others with labels ‘conservative’ or ‘progressive’ is destructive? Vilifying these labels with name calling - attributing motivation, saying that the other is ‘less’ or ‘stupid’ or ‘…’
I think the media which finds it much more entertaining (rating generating) to report on a fight than on an agreement feeds into the differences, and we are all guilty of picking up what they throw.
I believe that GB and others just keep ramping it up further and further - feeding the “them / vs / us” ---- I think this is MUCH more destructive -
I know this if off topic a bit… does anyone think this matters - am I way off??
.Does anyone think that identifying oneself and others with labels ‘conservative’ or ‘progressive’ is destructive? Vilifying these labels with name calling - attributing motivation, saying that the other is ‘less’ or ‘stupid’ or ‘…’
I think the media which finds it much more entertaining (rating generating) to report on a fight than on an agreement feeds into the differences, and we are all guilty of picking up what they throw.
I believe that GB and others just keep ramping it up further and further - feeding the “them / vs / us” ---- I think this is MUCH more destructive -
I know this if off topic a bit… does anyone think this matters - am I way off??
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catharina
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:clapping:The tone on this and so many threads sadly seems indicative of the intolerance (on both sides of the issue) many have today for people who they disagree with
Does anyone think that identifying oneself and others with labels ‘conservative’ or ‘progressive’ is destructive? Vilifying these labels with name calling - attributing motivation, saying that the other is ‘less’ or ‘stupid’ or ‘…’
I think the media which finds it much more entertaining (rating generating) to report on a fight than on an agreement feeds into the differences, and we are all guilty of picking up what they throw.
I believe that GB and others just keep ramping it up further and further - feeding the “them / vs / us” ---- I think this is MUCH more destructive -
I know this if off topic a bit… **does anyone think this matters **- am I way off??
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Via_Dolorosa
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If this is a summary of the posted article, then I fear the reading problem has reared its ugly head again.
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Via_Dolorosa
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I think you are right on the money. These entertainers like beck and Limbaugh are ramping up the rhetoric towards violence. 10 congressmen have asked for portection for their families upon receiving threats after the health care vote. Offices are being vandalized, gas lines cuts, vile messages left on recordrs. Black members of congress are addressed with the n word. The list goes on and on.The tone on this and so many threads sadly seems indicative of the intolerance (on both sides of the issue) many have today for people who they disagree with
Does anyone think that identifying oneself and others with labels ‘conservative’ or ‘progressive’ is destructive? Vilifying these labels with name calling - attributing motivation, saying that the other is ‘less’ or ‘stupid’ or ‘…’
I think the media which finds it much more entertaining (rating generating) to report on a fight than on an agreement feeds into the differences, and we are all guilty of picking up what they throw.
I believe that GB and others just keep ramping it up further and further - feeding the “them / vs / us” ---- I think this is MUCH more destructive -
I know this if off topic a bit… does anyone think this matters - am I way off??
This may not be strictly social justice as should pertain to this thread, but they do have areas and people in common.
Notwithstanding we are Catholics, can’t we say" stop "as normal American people
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