Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[utah_rose]

Continuing my post…
If you are still with me, I had been thinking about the strong left leaning of the USCCB and the abusive, hatefilled priest I had run into and then all the nuns going for health care reform in spite of the abortion issue, let alone all the other things wrong about the congressional approach…
I recalled asking a liberal friend, how in the world they could vote for Obama, having attended Rev Wrights church. They said, well we have bad priests too.

THAT is when I decided what was good for the goose was good for the gander. The liberals on this blog will never agree with me, but if I could criticize Obama for attending a church which damned America and thought we had 9/11 coming, worshipped the politics of Saul Olinsky, etc. I should hold myself to the same standard and not support or attend churches that support strongly liberal viewpoints. That goes for the DSF as well.

I’ve been on vacation and discovered that Glenn Beck has said this while I was gone, and I had come up with the same conclusion myself. So maybe he said it wrong or abused the code word, or whatever, but I agree with him and I’m sure that all my liberal friends will berate me and point out what a sinner I am and will continue to believe that covetting thy neighbor’s goods, stealing, killing the unborn, bearing false witness is OK as long as it is cloaked in socialist ideology called by the code name Social Justice.

I am so disappointed in my many conservative friends who continue to attend these churches that use the pulpit to glorify the aims of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid without at least attempting to directly confront the priest on the inappropriateness of sponsoring single party legislation in defiance of the law and the catechism.

I I agree with the latest posts also. It is discouraging to have Social Justice rammed down your throat with no concern with what that really means.

I do give to help other people in need, and some we have helped personally get on their feet. But, I don’t believe in bragging about it. I used to give to CRS until is saw that only 68% of their money goes overseas! Some of their money goes to questionable operations.

I have found some other Catholic organizations that sponsor children, that do not give to questionable organizations, and that’s who I give to. I believe the Social Justice that that bishops speak of is too tied to our government right now.

I have heard Glen Beck and he is saying that if you come across a church that is ONLY for social justice and essentially doesn’t preach the gospel, find another parish to go to. It’s simple, really, and there are mission organizations, Friars that devoted their resources to the poor, shelters for pregnant women etc. that really need our help. In Lent we are instructed to give alms “in secret”, so if you see someone you know in need help them. Don’t judge by appearances either. If someone asks for a handout give it to them. If they use it for something other than food, than God will judge them, not us.

I think that this is what the Beatitudes are about. You can do this in your own life.

And, by the way: Bishops and liberals take note. Did Jesus say that the slaves (who by the way we more mistreated than the ones from Africa) should be freed, teach Marxist theology? No. But the early Christians DECIDED ON THEIR OWN to help the poor out of love, because there weren’t any organizations to help.

Throughout the age, the monks, nuns and others did this on their own and even established homes for the orphans and poor, some without the Blessing of their Bishops.

So, we can say social justice has always been going on but woe to leaving it to the government to decide who gets what, and that’s exactly where the Bishops are going wrong.

I would just like to see letters from the Bishops defending our doctrines about abortion, homosexual marriage, embryo cell experimentation BEFORE lauding the Social teachings of the Church.

In the seventies when “love” was the word in the Church, our very wise pastor said “there cannot be a brotherhood of man without the Fatherhood of God”.

 

[4elise]

I I agree with the latest posts also. It is discouraging to have Social Justice rammed down your throat with no concern with what that really means.

I do give to help other people in need, and some we have helped personally get on their feet. But, I don’t believe in bragging about it. I used to give to CRS until is saw that only 68% of their money goes overseas! Some of their money goes to questionable operations.

I have found some other Catholic organizations that sponsor children, that do not give to questionable organizations, and that’s who I give to. I believe the Social Justice that that bishops speak of is too tied to our government right now.

I have heard Glen Beck and he is saying that if you come across a church that is ONLY for social justice and essentially doesn’t preach the gospel, find another parish to go to. It’s simple, really, and there are mission organizations, Friars that devoted their resources to the poor, shelters for pregnant women etc. that really need our help. In Lent we are instructed to give alms “in secret”, so if you see someone you know in need help them. Don’t judge by appearances either. If someone asks for a handout give it to them. If they use it for something other than food, than God will judge them, not us.

I think that this is what the Beatitudes are about. You can do this in your own life.

And, by the way: Bishops and liberals take note. Did Jesus say that the slaves (who by the way we more mistreated than the ones from Africa) should be freed, teach Marxist theology? No. But the early Christians DECIDED ON THEIR OWN to help the poor out of love, because there weren’t any organizations to help.

Throughout the age, the monks, nuns and others did this on their own and even established homes for the orphans and poor, some without the Blessing of their Bishops.

So, we can say social justice has always been going on but woe to leaving it to the government to decide who gets what, and that’s exactly where the Bishops are going wrong.

I would just like to see letters from the Bishops defending our doctrines about abortion, homosexual marriage, embryo cell experimentation BEFORE lauding the Social teachings of the Church.

In the seventies when “love” was the word in the Church, our very wise pastor said “there cannot be a brotherhood of man without the Fatherhood of God”.

It isn’t only the “liberal” USCCB that is speaking about our need (as individuals and governments) to act in a way that cares for ALL people, not only those in this country, but everywhere - what I offered are the words and teaching of the Holy Father.

Perhaps some may find that the Catholic Church, with our Social Teaching doesn’t fit their own personal theology? It is not one issue or the other but every issue - it is individuals and communities and NGOs and governments who should be looking to the common good - acting on behalf of all.

And, by the way - I do think Jesus spoke about freedom for the slaves
Luke 4:17
He stood up to read and was handed a scroll of the prophet Isaiah. He unrolled the scroll and found the passage where it was written: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring glad tidings to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, and to proclaim a year acceptable to the Lord.”
Rolling up the scroll, he handed it back to the attendant and sat down, and the eyes of all in the synagogue looked intently at him. He said to them, "Today this scripture passage is fulfilled in your hearing

 

[JulieAA]

I am still waiting to read where Jesus said "let the government (Caesar) take care of the poor??? He said that the poor will always be among us, but it is our responsibility as followers of Christ to do what we can to help them. I personally do not want to see our beloved country become a socialist country. The idea of the government “forcing” healthcare on any individual is unconstitutional. Our country is becoming a nanny state. Do you think it is “helping” the poor to rely on handouts? I believe with all of my heart and soul that helping the needy is the Christian thing to do! I understand there are many “honest good people” who are on the unemployment list; however, I also understand there are many people who are “out to get the free stuff” as well. I will leave those people to stand before God and explain that one, as it is not my intention to judge anyone myself. There is no incentive to do an honest day’s work anymore when you can get a hand-out. My husband was at a local restaurant yesterday and the 24 year old waiter was thrilled that he now can get “free healthcare”. He has absolutely no idea of reality. Free??? My goodness, and that is our future leaders???

 

[4elise]

I am still waiting to read where Jesus said "let the government (Caesar) take care of the poor??? He said that the poor will always be among us, but it is our responsibility as followers of Christ to do what we can to help them. I personally do not want to see our beloved country become a socialist country. The idea of the government “forcing” healthcare on any individual is unconstitutional. Our country is becoming a nanny state. Do you think it is “helping” the poor to rely on handouts? I believe with all of my heart and soul that helping the needy is the Christian thing to do! I understand there are many “honest good people” who are on the unemployment list; however, I also understand there are many people who are “out to get the free stuff” as well. I will leave those people to stand before God and explain that one, as it is not my intention to judge anyone myself. There is no incentive to do an honest day’s work anymore when you can get a hand-out. My husband was at a local restaurant yesterday and the 24 year old waiter was thrilled that he now can get “free healthcare”. He has absolutely no idea of reality. Free??? My goodness, and that is our future leaders???

How very fortunate we are that we are not among the many who need help.

 

[JulieAA]

How very fortunate we are that we are not among the many who need help.

No idea where you are going with this.

 

[4elise]

No idea where you are going with this.

I was thinking of the story that the doctor shared on a thread about the health care bill about a young mother who had been having seizures for two years… and about the hundreds of others stories I have heard throughout this year of people and their families whose insurance was lost when someone became ill, or they couldn’t get insurance because they had some chronic condition, how people lost their homes and everything they had to cover costs for a family member with cancer… I have insurance, and assume you do as well. We are very fortunate not to be among the many who will benefit from this ‘handout’.

Our Bishops stressed the need to ensure that the unborn would be protected - but have ALWAYS said that all people should have access to affordable health care - and what is affordable to one is not necessarily affordable to another.

So just another opportunity to count our blessings, and perhaps consider how we (individuals, communities and yes as a nation) are called to share our blessings.

 

[JulieAA]

Oh, I understand now…thanks! There are so many “horror” stories out there and I understand that; however, I do not think there are many people out there who believe that our current system does not need a major overhaul. Obviously, there are many loopholes to fix. The Primer state was Massachusetts and they are also on the brink of disaster. Why not try competition across state lines? There are a lot of states going under, one of which is California where I live.

 

[4elise]

Oh, I understand now…thanks! There are so many “horror” stories out there and I understand that; however, I do not think there are many people out there who believe that our current system does not need a major overhaul. Obviously, there are many loopholes to fix. The Primer state was Massachusetts and they are also on the brink of disaster. Why not try competition across state lines? There are a lot of states going under, one of which is California where I live.

I have a friend who worked in the insurance industry for many, many years - she tells me that the option to buy across state lines - without the insurance company being subject to the insurance regulators in each state would be disastrous… and people would only find out what they purchased when they tried to use it - and as it is in another state - action to try to enforce would be completely without teeth.
Blessings

 

[JulieAA]

I have a friend who worked in the insurance industry for many, many years - she tells me that the option to buy across state lines - without the insurance company being subject to the insurance regulators in each state would be disastrous… and people would only find out what they purchased when they tried to use it - and as it is in another state - action to try to enforce would be completely without teeth.
Blessings

Thanks, Elise, I could see where there may be problems on this. Was only one of the options I was reading about lately. Can you image, though, all of the IRS agents coming to taxpapers homes to check on whether or not they have health insurance. My only concern is keeping the government out of our house. Surely there were/are ways to tackle the problems with healthcare without stomping on the Constitution. The other concern is: where’s the money coming from??? We are bankrupt in California and do not need the additional burdens. Congress is like an out-of-control teenager saying: “there must be money because look at all of the checks I have in my wallet”. They are out of control…there is NO money for this right now.

 

[RWMorris]

Maybe I’m obtuse but I don’t think helping small men brings down big men. How does social justice weaken the strong or destoy the rich. Although I do agree with not furthering brotherhood by inciting class hatred. For the most part who is saying one must follow the other?

It doesn’t say that helping small men brings down big men. It says you can’t help small men by bringing down big men. In other words, if you steal from Bill Gates to help a homeless person, you really haven’t helped anyone, you’re just a thief. But if Bill Gates gives willingly, it helps both Bill Gates and the homeless person.

 

[RWMorris]

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, 9 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

• Jesus Christ (4 BC - 29 AD - & Risen)

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.”

We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat. And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

• St Paul

 

[JulieAA]

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.”

We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat. And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

• St Paul

Perfectly said!!

 

[Maggie1951]

Glenn Beck is talking about Social Justice today. Right now. Fox Cable News.

His definition is up and it will shock you who think he means run away from the Church.

He’s explaining that if your church puts politics before charity, leave.

Maggie

 

[kbkam]

on now

Today’s GB Show is all about ‘social justice’. You might want to hear it from the horse’s mouth. It repeats 2AM ET if you miss it on now.

“Forced redistribution of wealth with a hostility towards individual property rights under the guise of charity or social justice”.

For all of those who insisted they just knew what he meant without hearing the entire episode, you might want to give it a listen.

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

It doesn’t say that helping small men brings down big men. It says you can’t help small men by bringing down big men. In other words, if you steal from Bill Gates to help a homeless person, you really haven’t helped anyone, you’re just a thief. But if Bill Gates gives willingly, it helps both Bill Gates and the homeless person.

Bill Gates seems to be the embodiment of social justice. I think he’s doing a great job

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

on now

Today’s GB Show is all about ‘social justice’. You might want to hear it from the horse’s mouth. It repeats 2AM ET if you miss it on now.

“Forced redistribution of wealth with a hostility towards individual property rights under the guise of charity or social justice”.

For all of those who insisted they just knew what he meant without hearing the entire episode, you might want to give it a listen.
He’s probably back tacking because he alienated most Christian leaders.

 

[catharina]

Bill Gates seems to be the embodiment of social justice. I think he’s doing a great job

Bill Gates has been known for his “charitable” funding of abortion for at least 6 years.
(Google Bill Gates, abortion.)

Melinda Gates is a co-donor with her husband although she says she’s still Catholic. They get great press bytes, no more no less.

I do not applaud Bill or Melinda Gates for their “charitable” giving.

 

[magdelaine]

Sadly generosity, philanthropy will never be enough when left to free will - or there would already be no poor or hungry in our country or anywhere. Abuse and manipulation are no excuse not to act as individuals and governments to have the common good as a goal.

This is completely wrong. Remember Christ said to “render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s on to God what is God’s.” It has never been right for a Church to force or demand donations, although it has happened in the past. It is likewise unjust and unecessary for governments to do so.

What a poverty your view of humanity is, that without **force **we won’t help our fellow man “enough”! How dare you or anyone else decide what is enough? What happens to God’s gift to mankind, free will, in your world? Never mind, you don’t need to answer that.

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Glenn Beck is talking about Social Justice today. Right now. Fox Cable News.

His definition is up and it will shock you who think he means run away from the Church.

He’s explaining that if your church puts politics before charity, leave.

Maggie

And it was a very good show both today and yesterday I might add!

 

[RWMorris]

Bill Gates has been known for his “charitable” funding of abortion for at least 6 years.
(Google Bill Gates, abortion.)

Melinda Gates is a co-donor with her husband although she says she’s still Catholic. They get great press bytes, no more no less.

I do not applaud Bill or Melinda Gates for their “charitable” giving.

I knew that Bill Gates gave a lot of money to fund immunizations for children, but I didn’t know he funded abortions.

I just found out that the Girl Scouts, in the words of Kathy Cloninger, CEO of the Girl Scouts of America, “We partner with many organizations. We have relationships with our church communities, with YWCAs, and with Planned Parenthood organizations across the country, to bring information-based sex education programs to girls.”

My daughter was in girl scouts. This sickens me.