Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

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RWMorris said:
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot lift the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer.
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away men’s initiative
and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could
and should do for themselves.
  • William Boetcker (1873-1962)
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Maybe I’m obtuse but I don’t think helping small men brings down big men. How does social justice weaken the strong or destoy the rich. Although I do agree with not furthering brotherhood by inciting class hatred. For the most part who is saying one must follow the other?
 
magdelaine said:
I’m not sure what you mean by this?
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QUOTE=magdelaine… This is true in so far that a migrant deserves fair wages and just treatment; however inalienable human rights does not include trampling the laws of a sovereign nation.
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Inalienable human rights have nothing to do with nations but with God who created ALL of us.
 
RWMorris said:
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot lift the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer.
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away men’s initiative
and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could
and should do for themselves.
  • William Boetcker (1873-1962)
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Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, 9 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
  • Jesus Christ (4 BC - 29 AD - & Risen)
 
***I think if we are at a Church that DOES NOT speak of Social Justice we should run… because we are then NOT in a Catholic Church, it is the teaching of Jesus, it is the tradition of the Church, it is our calling as followers of Jesus to promote justice in society. ***
 
The missing link is Truth. So much of these discussions revolves around individual interpretations of what people “deserve.”
 
I’m beginning to understand the problem Jesus had with the pharisees.
 
ManOnFire said:
The missing link is Truth. So much of these discussions revolves around individual interpretations of what people “deserve.”
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ENCYCLICAL LETTER/CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF BENEDICT XVI TO THE BISHOPS PRIESTS AND DEACONS MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS THE LAY FAITHFUL AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT IN CHARITY AND TRUTH
(From which I’ve quoted) — opens:
Charity in truth, to which Jesus Christ bore witness by his earthly life and especially by his death and resurrection, is the principal driving force behind the authentic development of every person and of all humanity.

This encyclical speaks a great deal of truth

In the* truth**, charity reflects the personal yet public dimension of faith in the God of the Bible, who is both Agápe and Lógos: Charity and Truth, Love and Word.*
 
4elise said:
ENCYCLICAL LETTER/CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF BENEDICT XVI TO THE BISHOPS PRIESTS AND DEACONS MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS THE LAY FAITHFUL AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT IN CHARITY AND TRUTH
(From which I’ve quoted) — opens:
Charity in truth, to which Jesus Christ bore witness by his earthly life and especially by his death and resurrection, is the principal driving force behind the authentic development of every person and of all humanity.

This encyclical speaks a great deal of truth

In the truth****, charity reflects the personal yet public dimension of faith in the God of the Bible, who is both Agápe and Lógos: Charity and Truth, Love and Word.
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I agree. Again it’s very important the difference there is in how this is implemented in public life, and what social justice really means.

The **only **real charity, the only real caritas possible, is that freely given by the individual, not forcedly confiscated with the barrel of a gun. Jesus is the supreme example of this. “Public” does not mean “governmental”.Which one do you think “social justice” instituted by governments falls under? Do I need to find you examples?

How about some people think “social justice” means a right to abortion, and they have no problem forcing you to pay for them?
 
magdelaine said:
I agree. Again it’s very important the difference there is in how this is implemented in public life, and what social justice really means.

The **only **real charity, the only real caritas possible, is that freely given by the individual, not forcedly confiscated with the barrel of a gun. Jesus is the supreme example of this. “Public” does not mean “governmental”.Which one do you think “social justice” instituted by governments falls under? Do I need to find you examples?

How about some people think “social justice” means a right to abortion, and they have no problem forcing you to pay for them?
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The Social Justice spoken about in our Catholic Church has a clear definition.
It is both the responsibility of individuals AND governments to put ALL human life first.
Not only the lives of the unborn, not only the lives of the born, not only the lives of people who look like us, speak like us, believe the same things we do, but ALL people. Our faith LIVED transforms individuals - who transform society.
Blessings
 
It doesn’t appear that anyone has convinced the other side of anything here.

That said, the only times I have heard the words social justice inside a catholic church, or in talking with the clergy, it has been used to propose furthering of the Democratic agenda to grant amnesty and institute health care reform at the national level. Even the USCCB in their teachings on “social justice”, which by the way we are only compelled to consider, not obey, are directly lobbying Washington, first for it, then when they got scammed on the abortion issue, against it.
I love my parish. I have a supportive priest who does not call me names or condemn me , or give me one of those “May God have mercy on your soul”, when Iquestion the wisdom of putting the government in charge of charity, or wonder when in the world subsidiarity went out of the teachings of the church.
We stick to the Gospel and how we can change our daily lives to be better. We do not pray for the passage of this or that bill, such as I see in the social justice churches.

I wrote a letter to Cardinal DiNardo and Bishop Joe Vasquez recently, asking questions of moral direction and expressing concernn for a social justice priest at a parish I had visitied, who included Immigratino Reform, and Health Care Reform in the prayers of the Faithful. (No comments in the Homily about abortion issues, only that if I had health care insurance I was a thief). This was after several abusive notes from the priest, when I had tried to get some clarification from him directly. He finally told me to never contact him again and that this was NOT MY CHURCH.

What happened was that the Cardinal’s personal assistant intercepted the letters, called the priest to ask if this was worthy of the Cardinal’s attention, and the rest is history. I left wondering how after all the altar boy scandals, this kind of filtration could continue.
 
Continuing my post…
If you are still with me, I had been thinking about the strong left leaning of the USCCB and the abusive, hatefilled priest I had run into and then all the nuns going for health care reform in spite of the abortion issue, let alone all the other things wrong about the congressional approach…
I recalled asking a liberal friend, how in the world they could vote for Obama, having attended Rev Wrights church. They said, well we have bad priests too.

THAT is when I decided what was good for the goose was good for the gander. The liberals on this blog will never agree with me, but if I could criticize Obama for attending a church which damned America and thought we had 9/11 coming, worshipped the politics of Saul Olinsky, etc. I should hold myself to the same standard and not support or attend churches that support strongly liberal viewpoints. That goes for the DSF as well.

I’ve been on vacation and discovered that Glenn Beck has said this while I was gone, and I had come up with the same conclusion myself. So maybe he said it wrong or abused the code word, or whatever, but I agree with him and I’m sure that all my liberal friends will berate me and point out what a sinner I am and will continue to believe that covetting thy neighbor’s goods, stealing, killing the unborn, bearing false witness is OK as long as it is cloaked in socialist ideology called by the code name Social Justice.

I am so disappointed in my many conservative friends who continue to attend these churches that use the pulpit to glorify the aims of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid without at least attempting to directly confront the priest on the inappropriateness of sponsoring single party legislation in defiance of the law and the catechism.
 
Hey folks, I am listening to GB right now on the radio at work. 😃
Anyone care to join? 🤷
 
magdelaine said:
The **only **real charity, the only real caritas possible, is that freely given by the individual, not forcedly confiscated with the barrel of a gun. Jesus is the supreme example of this. “Public” does not mean "governmental
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If one reads the document, it does expand the need for charity from the individual to nations as a world community. We all really know this in our hearts, because no one squawks when the United States jumps and sends aid to a country like Haiti during a time of acute crisis. During Katrina, other nations, including Mexico sent support.

A wealthy nation can not ignore the needs of those less fortunate in other countries. The globilization of the world is one factor to be considered. Since the actions we take may affect others, then even the needs of the foreign poor need to be considered. Specifically, we can not grow fatter while taking advantage of a poor neighbor and bring the low even lower.

How this happens is up to individual nations and people of orthodox Catholic principles will still strongly disagree with each other. Some are downright socialists and think all should share equally, on the other hand, one can have total confidence in completely unrestricted free markets. I am somewhere in the middle. I believe unrestricted free markets seldom remain free for long. I also believe that in socialist systems the parasites will kill the host.
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
Maybe I’m obtuse but I don’t think helping small men brings down big men. How does social justice weaken the strong or destoy the rich.
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Where do you think funds come from to promote social justice? If those funds are tapped too deeply, the source of those funds becomes anemic and eventual dies. Thus the one can kill the goose that lays the golden egg by demanding too many eggs and not allowing her to feed enough.
 
pnewton said:
If one reads the document, it does expand the need for charity from the individual to nations as a world community. We all really know this in our hearts, because no one squawks when the United States jumps and sends aid to a country like Haiti during a time of acute crisis. During Katrina, other nations, including Mexico sent support.

A wealthy nation can not ignore the needs of those less fortunate in other countries. The globilization of the world is one factor to be considered. Since the actions we take may affect others, then even the needs of the foreign poor need to be considered. Specifically, we can not grow fatter while taking advantage of a poor neighbor and bring the low even lower.

How this happens is up to individual nations and people of orthodox Catholic principles will still strongly disagree with each other. Some are downright socialists and think all should share equally, on the other hand, one can have total confidence in completely unrestricted free markets. I am somewhere in the middle. I believe unrestricted free markets seldom remain free for long. I also believe that in socialist systems the parasites will kill the host.
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Again, I don’t necessarily disagree with you here, esp. with regard to foreign aid. But there is a dividing line, and I believe our constitution is the most perfect governmental document to ever address that line; ensuring liberty while promoting the public good however in tatters it may be at the moment. Everything else, including providing for our poor, should be in the hands of free, individual people and groups (like our Church)…NOT the state. And yes, I’m including welfare in this thought. The opportunity for abuse, manipulation, and tyranny is just too great.
 
magdelaine said:
Again, I don’t necessarily disagree with you here, esp. with regard to foreign aid. But there is a dividing line, and I believe our constitution is the most perfect governmental document to ever address that line; ensuring liberty while promoting the public good however in tatters it may be at the moment. Everything else, including providing for our poor, should be in the hands of free, individual people and groups (like our Church)…NOT the state. And yes, I’m including welfare in this thought. The opportunity for abuse, manipulation, and tyranny is just too great.
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Sadly generosity, philanthropy will never be enough when left to free will - or there would already be no poor or hungry in our country or anywhere. Abuse and manipulation are no excuse not to act as individuals and governments to have the common good as a goal.
 
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