Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[Biggie]

Perhaps you are not familiar with the teaching of the Catholic Church, which emphasizes social and economic justice: Please refer to this search of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Web site that has more than 10 pages of links to social justice topics. If you believe the Magisterium of the Catholic Church rather than the spin-mill called Fox “news,” you would know this. usccb.org:8765/query.html?charset=iso-8859-1&qt=social+justice&st=1

Are you implying that the USCCB or Catholic morals dictate I support these causes enumerated in my prior post by posting your link?

Also, again, do you not think your post presumptuous as to what I have or have not read? I do.

 

[bryan123459]

Anyone who would defend Glenn Beck’s attack on fundamental principles of Christianity may be either ignorant of the beauty of the Church’s social teachings or deliberately blinding himself/herself to the truth taught by the Church because their political ideology is more important to them than their faith. The right-wing that identifies with Beck’s recent statements promotes a political philosophy of selfishness that is not compatible with Christian/Catholic teaching. It is sad that anyone would defend his anti-Catholic views in this forum.

 

[Biggie]

Anyone who would defend Glenn Beck’s attack on fundamental principles of Christianity may be either ignorant of the beauty of the Church’s social teachings or deliberately blinding himself/herself to the truth taught by the Church because their political ideology is more important to them than their faith. The right-wing that identifies with Beck’s recent statements promotes a political philosophy of selfishness that is not compatible with Christian/Catholic teaching. It is sad that anyone would defend his anti-Catholic views in this forum.

You are not being responsive. I have demonstrated that by drilling down on a “social justice” web site provided by the OP, we arrive very shortly at support for abortion, militancy against pro-life efforts, anti-Catholic bias, support for homosexual marriage and a myriad other liberal causes offensive to many Catholics.

Have you demonstrated where that is incorrect?
In what way is Beck anti-Catholic in his observations, when by following “social justice” links we arrive at anti-Catholicism?

 

[Tigg]

Perhaps you are not familiar with the teaching of the Catholic Church, which emphasizes social and economic justice: Please refer to a search of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Web site that has more than 10 pages of links to social justice topics; also a link to the Vatican Justice/Peace site is provided. If you believe the Magisterium of the Catholic Church rather than the spin-mill called Fox “news,” you would know this

Are you aware that the USCCB is an Episcopal Conference, (an administrative and bureaucratic body) and as such, they do not represent the teaching Magisterium of the Church; and further, many of the SJ groups they support thru the CCHD are violating Catholic moral teaching. Many threads and links on this forum to support this. One more point to substantiate it, more individual bishops are coming forward to stop certain SJ groups in their own diocese. Seems we have a slight problem here.

The Vatican has made it clear that Bishops Conferences like the USCCB do NOT speak for the Church in an official capacity. These conferences are administrative and bureaucratic in nature and the letters they publish carry no weight with regard to the teaching of the faith and morals of the Catholic Church.

We must not forget that episcopal conferences have no theological basis, they do not belong to the structure of the Church as willed by Christ, that cannot be eliminated; they have only a practical, concrete function…The collective, therefore, does not substitute for the persons of the bishops, who are the authentic teachers and instructors of the faith for the faithful entrusted to their care…No episcopal conference as such, has a teaching mission; its documents have no weight of their own save that given to them by individual bishops…it must once again become clear that in each diocese there is only one shepherd and teacher of the faith in communion with the other pastors and teachers and with the Vicar of Christ.

 Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (1985, and affirmed in Apostolos Suos in 1998 by Pope John Paul II.)

You are not being responsive. I have demonstrated that by drilling down on a “social justice” web site provided by the OP, we arrive very shortly at support for abortion, militancy against pro-life efforts, anti-Catholic bias, support for homosexual marriage and a myriad other liberal causes offensive to many Catholics.

Have you demonstrated where that is incorrect?
In what way is Beck anti-Catholic in his observations, when by following “social justice” links we arrive at anti-Catholicism?

Thank you, Biggie, for your most concise and succinct argument. You have proven the point quite nicely.

 

[Biggie]

Are you aware that the USCCB is an Episcopal Conference, (an administrative and bureaucratic body) and as such, they do not represent the teaching Magisterium of the Church; and further, many of the SJ groups they support thru the CCHD are violating Catholic moral teaching. Many threads and links on this forum to support this. One more point to substantiate it, more individual bishops are coming forward to stop certain SJ groups in their own diocese. Seems we have a slight problem here.

Tigg, if you have a link to the quote you provided from then Cardinal Ratzinger, I would love to book mark it. Thanks.

 

[Carlan]

opposes the conservative reform of text books,
supports government takeover of health care,
supports legalization of illegal immigrants,
opposes the health insurance industry,
opposes the Bush administration’s use of interrogation,
supports lesbian girls who attempted to attend their high school prom,
supports the Palestinian perspective on the middle east,
supports Holder’s hiring of attorney who defended terrorists pro bono,
targets and derides Fox News

Looks like it’s split down the middled, same ole same ole, depending on your polotics.Carlan

 

[lil_flower_luv]

I’d rather run away from Glenn Beck.

 

[Havard]

Tigg, if you have a link to the quote you provided from then Cardinal Ratzinger, I would love to book mark it. Thanks.

He’s not talking about Pope John Paul II’s apostolic letter, Apostolos Suos, is he?

Specifically, look at section 22:

“22. In dealing with new questions and in acting so that the message of Christ enlightens and guides people’s consciences in resolving new problems arising from changes in society, the Bishops assembled in the Episcopal Conference and jointly exercizing their teaching office are well aware of the limits of their pronouncements. While being official and authentic and in communion with the Apostolic See, these pronouncements do not have the characteristics of a universal magisterium. For this reason the Bishops are to be careful to avoid interfering with the doctrinal work of the Bishops of other territories, bearing in mind the wider, even world-wide, resonance which the means of social communication give to the events of a particular region.”

 

[TheresaLS]

The White House is using anyone and anything to divert our attention away from the issues…

Thank you Mr. Obama for leading us away from Mr. Beck. He is very dangerous to our faith and Church for which you hold in such high regard. Oh…the hope and change!!!

 

[Podo2005]

I did not check the link provided but can offer my experience - for what it is worth.

Parishes are lined up along a spectrum from liberal(unorthadox) to conservative (orthadox). In the midwest US, where I reside, the churches that are liberal have a general tendency to promote social justice beyond what is normal. They need to “fill the gap” so to speak after rejecting some church teaching.

I started noticing this in my parish (very liberal) about 12 years ago. I visit other parishes in the area every month now to keep perspective.

My parish is very big on social justice. At the same time, I have suffered for years hearing the miracles in the Old Testament and New Testament watered down and ridiculed in the homily. I have heard the current pope seriously denounced, again, in the homily. You do not want to hear what I have experienced at this parish.

Again, this is a parish that is very big on social justice.

Have you seen this pattern?

Are you sure we don’t belong to the same parish

but seriously… yes… my parish is big on “social justice” as well…as well as rejecting the teachings of the church

hmmm… prayers are needed indeed…

 

[Podo2005]

My point in posting this link is that many people in this country take his verbiage as as gospel (no pun intended). Aren’t we, as Catholics, dedicated to social justice? I know that it is taught in Catholic high schools and colleges and I ,myself, teach it in Catholic grade school. Isn’t this what we are all about?

Thats a part of our faith that is indeed very important… however Catholicism is MORE than just social justice ( & the corporal works of mercy)… what about the spiritual works of mercy?. Indeed we must feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, visit & free the captives,shelter the homeless,visit the sick & bury the dead… but we also ***must ***admonish sinners,instruct the ignorant,counsel the doubtful,comfort the sorrowful, bear wrongs patiently,forgive all injuries & pray for the living & the dead…
I think as catholics we also have to be aware of whom we give money to/support/volunteer for because there are some organizations (not all…) that claim to be “catholic” and yet fund organizations that support things like abortion, homosexuality etc instead of helping the poor…

 

[TheresaLS]

Here we are…the healthcare bill will be ushered in and Glenn Beck is the favored topic…Sweet, really Sweet!!! Think about the irony…

 

[peary]

I say - RUN AWAY FROM GLENN BECK!

 

[Biggie]

He’s not talking about Pope John Paul II’s apostolic letter, Apostolos Suos, is he?

Specifically, look at section 22:

“22. In dealing with new questions and in acting so that the message of Christ enlightens and guides people’s consciences in resolving new problems arising from changes in society, the Bishops assembled in the Episcopal Conference and jointly exercizing their teaching office are well aware of the limits of their pronouncements. While being official and authentic and in communion with the Apostolic See, these pronouncements do not have the characteristics of a universal magisterium. For this reason the Bishops are to be careful to avoid interfering with the doctrinal work of the Bishops of other territories, bearing in mind the wider, even world-wide, resonance which the means of social communication give to the events of a particular region.”

Do not think it was the same but made a good bookmark nonetheless. Thanks.

 

[Tigg]

Tigg, if you have a link to the quote you provided from then Cardinal Ratzinger, I would love to book mark it. Thanks.

Sorry I no longer have a working link. The writing I was referring to was “The Ratzinger Report” (1985), which of course, was upheld by Apostolos Suos. I did a search and found this, but it is only a blog which reiterates my post, but again, does not link to the actual source.

catholic-pages.com/church/hierarchy.asp

There is this book and under a chapter called The Structure of the Communion (see page 94) it quotes from the Ratzinger Report.

books.google.com/books?id=lfJ1Czni-U4C&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=the+ratzinger+report+on+episcopal+conferences&source=bl&ots=_G31taftYV&sig=jiBSxcwTe2iySe1T71EsdpLjRno&hl=en&ei=QiKdS72rDI34sgO6w5Ff&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=the%20ratzinger%20report%20on%20episcopal%20conferences&f=false

Looks like the original work is still available for purchase.
crossroadsinitiative.com/resource_info/196.html

 

[Chele16]

I guess I will throw my 2 cents in here. I think that the problem lies with the corruption of the term ‘social justice.’ The true meaning of it can be found in the Social Teaching of the Church and in various Papal Encyclicals. These teachings also speak on the principle of Subsidiarity, which encourages problems to be solved at the lowest possible level so as to avoid a ‘nanny state.’ Some think it does not matter if it is individuals helping the poor or a large, powerful government. Read what the Popes have written about Socialism and Communism to find out why it does, indeed, matter.

Regardless of what I think of Glenn Beck or his beliefs, I think in this situation he is speaking out against the current, Godless, socialist-leaning meaning of the term ‘social justice’ and the ills that come along with that. If I understand correctly, he is not suggesting that people leave a church that supports charity, he is suggesting that people may want to leave a church that supports a progressive agenda masking itself as charity.

We have to be careful here because the authentic Social Teaching of the Church can easily be perverted into something that it’s not without sounding too much different.

Peace to you all.

 

[Darryl1958]

I guess I will throw my 2 cents in here. I think that the problem lies with the corruption of the term ‘social justice.’ The true meaning of it can be found in the Social Teaching of the Church and in various Papal Encyclicals. These teachings also speak on the principle of Subsidiarity, which encourages problems to be solved at the lowest possible level so as to avoid a ‘nanny state.’ Some think it does not matter if it is individuals helping the poor or a large, powerful government. Read what the Popes have written about Socialism and Communism to find out why it does, indeed, matter.

Regardless of what I think of Glenn Beck or his beliefs, I think in this situation he is speaking out against the current, Godless, socialist-leaning meaning of the term ‘social justice’ and the ills that come along with that. If I understand correctly, he is not suggesting that people leave a church that supports charity, he is suggesting that people may want to leave a church that supports a progressive agenda masking itself as charity.

We have to be careful here because the authentic Social Teaching of the Church can easily be perverted into something that it’s not without sounding too much different.

Peace to you all.

Pretty good summary of the basic point being made actually. ‘Social justice’ in its original Catholic context is central to Christ’s gospel.

Socialism has corrupted that meaning into something that will lead to the opposite of what was the original import of the phrase.

 

[Biggie]

Sorry I no longer have a working link. The writing I was referring to was “The Ratzinger Report” (1985), which of course, was upheld by Apostolos Suos. I did a search and found this, but it is only a blog which reiterates my post, but again, does not link to the actual source.

catholic-pages.com/church/hierarchy.asp

There is this book and under a chapter called The Structure of the Communion (see page 94) it quotes from the Ratzinger Report.

books.google.com/books?id=lfJ1Czni-U4C&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=the+ratzinger+report+on+episcopal+conferences&source=bl&ots=_G31taftYV&sig=jiBSxcwTe2iySe1T71EsdpLjRno&hl=en&ei=QiKdS72rDI34sgO6w5Ff&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=the%20ratzinger%20report%20on%20episcopal%20conferences&f=false

Looks like the original work is still available for purchase.
crossroadsinitiative.com/resource_info/196.html

Thank you.

 

[Ella]

You are not being responsive. I have demonstrated that by drilling down on a “social justice” web site provided by the OP, we arrive very shortly at support for abortion, militancy against pro-life efforts, anti-Catholic bias, support for homosexual marriage and a myriad other liberal causes offensive to many Catholics.

Have you demonstrated where that is incorrect?
In what way is Beck anti-Catholic in his observations, when by following “social justice” links we arrive at anti-Catholicism?

The definitions of ‘social justice’ on the website do not necessarily match the definitions Mr. Beck might have in mind.
Glen Beck is a Mormon and his agenda is Mormon. I do not take direction about what Church I should attend from a Mormon who left Catholicism.

 

[Biggie]

The definitions of ‘social justice’ on the website do not necessarily match the definitions Mr. Beck might have in mind.
Glen Beck is a Mormon and his agenda is Mormon. I do not take direction about what Church I should attend from a Mormon who left Catholicism.

Ella, maybe you can recognize that as an ad hominem attack that does not address the substance of what Beck has said. His faith is irrelevant to the point he has made, and you are using it as an insult, not a legitimate anaylsis of it vs. Catholicism, which is off topic here. It has no place.

As I pointed out, he said that by drilling down on a “social justice” website, you will very quickly be conducted to radical progressive sites with purposes shocking to many Christians. The OP gave a site that began with the banner “Social Justice”. The OP suggested we look down for the Catholic response. When I looked down I saw Bill Donohue of the Catholic League smeared because he defended Beck. Have you ever listened to Bill Donohue defend the faith? He is fantastic, and better than the cheap shot he is given there. Look at the Catholic League’s web page here : catholicleague.org/release_quarter.php?year=2010&month_begin=1&month_end=3

Now to contrast, I would suggest you drill down, for example, on a link “Feministing” on the blogroll of the site the OP provided. Prowl around the site for a while. Then come back and tell me what it has to do with Social Justice in the conventional sense a faithful Catholic might use the phrase and if it contains material that is anti-Catholic and offensive to Catholic morals. Drill down on some of the other sites on the blog roll while you’re at it.

Beck’s whole point is that the term “Social Justice” has been corrupted and is being used in very bad ways and for radical ends by radical leftists to cause Christianity to rot from within. You make the call.