Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[jrabs]

Of course I did not say that either. Did I? Nice spin though.

To whom should we listen re matters of legislation?
How about listening to the Church?

I am not spinning anything.

We should listen to the church however the church clearly does not address all issues of legislation. We all know that.

And in keeping with the thread topic, which is Glenn Beck’s terminology of Social Justice, the church definition and Glenns are not one and the same.
Yet the media does not really make that clear. Can I say “liberal media”?
I do know the difference between the two meanings. I support both meanings and clearly understand.

We should not be going about maligning people whether you like his show or not. It is wrong.

 

[catharina]

I am not spinning anything.

We should listen to the church however the church clearly does not address all issues of legislation. We all know that.

And in keeping with the thread topic, which is Glenn Beck’s terminology of Social Justice, the church definition and Glenns are not one and the same.
Yet the media does not really make that clear. Can I say “liberal media”?
I do know the difference between the two meanings. I support both meanings and clearly understand.

We should not be going about maligning people whether you like his show or not. It is wrong.

As I have said, I am not maligning Glenn Beck. Nor am I endorsing him.

The Church teachings on the VIRTUE of social justice can be viewed in relation to the current focus on “socialized” medicine as proposed by the federal administration. I’d rather follow the Church’s higher call to reject Obamacre than to waste my time with a man who rejects Church teaching. It’s that simple. The bishops have fully addressed the matter of Obamacare and the bishops REJECT it.

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

This is about Glenn Beck and NOT you. This is NOT about an abortion fight per se. Who here hasn’t been fighting the good fight?

I am only responding to the thread because GB is being unfairly maligned by having terminology taken out of context and not defined properly as he is defining it. a very unChristian-like thing which surprises me

Ok. We get that you like GB and are willing to go to the mat for him. But would you mind listening to what he said that was the origin of this thread. Listen to the first post. He said to leave your church if social justice is an issue in that church. That was the primary purpose of the thread.
When did the government get into the mix?

 

[Maggie1951]

Mr. Beck is an entertainer. Having read parts of Arguing With Idiots, and still wondering why Glenn posed in a fake military uniform, I can’t take him seriously.

God bless,
Ed

Apparently you were so annoyed by the cover, you didn’t read it’s contents.

I disagree with you. He is most serious about trying to educate the American public about the real history of these United States, and about God and country. Buzzwords abound in political circles, especially the progressives on both the right and left. Note: Both: Right and Left. No one is immune.

If we as a people do not start learning about where we’ve come from by reading on our own about history, our Constitution will be gone before we can even blink an eye.

I was more than willing to give Mr. Obama a chance at proving himself, but so far he has failed miserably.

When we attend Mass, we really don’t learn about the Catholic Church. We turn to Catholic Answers, the CCC, Bible, etc. When we watch ABC, CBS, NBC, we really don’t learn about what’s going on in the world in depth.

Just as we turn to Catholic Answers and the Apologists (thank God for them) for the truth, we must also get our news from reputable sources. I deem Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, and in fact the entire Fox News Team to be a reputable source for my news, as well as many other websites out there…one example would be the Heritage Foundation, Manhattan Institute, etc. To me, they make a lot more sense than watching what I call fluff on the other channels. I’ve done my homework. I know in my mind this is what is right for me.

Maggie

 

[Convert66]

For those with the time and inclination for further reading, the following article, reprinted on the EWTN website, may be helpful in lending some context to the ongoing argument about “social justice.” I found it very revealing.

ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ATRISK.TXT

All my best…

PS. Still waiting for the evidence of Glenn Beck’s dangerous, sociopathic, selfish, hateful judgements. (Third request).

 

[Maggie1951]

I am responding to this thread because I am amazed that anyone who is a faithful Catholic would look to Glenn Beck for guidance or leadership on any issue. That is my OPINION and it does NOT malign Glenn Beck - it only states my opinion, my surprise at the attention given to Glenn Beck.

I preface this by saying I’m a Catholic. Your response to this is unbelievable. And the some of the others re him being a Catholic at one time, now he’s a Morman! God forbid!

First, the Catholic Church has no one to blame but ITSELF for not teaching the Catholic Faith properly. The Shepherds will be held accountable for that, not the sheep. For years, the Catholic Church didn’t teach the Bible and they still don’t know how to teach the Bible. If anyone wants to know anything about the Bible, they have to do their own homework. Did you know I once sat in on a RCIA class. The ‘teacher’ had no idea that Jesus was celebrating the Passover during the last supper! Unbelievable. God does amazing things.

Your ‘opinion’ maligns Glenn Beck. He may be more ‘Christian’ than you. He has never maligned the Catholic faith. He’s trying to teach what the real phrase ‘social justice’ means. Obviously, you haven’t read that part. You seem to be still hung up on some news report that he hates Jesus! (Which is NOT true).

Okay maybe you can understand this…what does ‘gay’ mean today? Well, years ago, it meant happy. Today it means homosexuality. So, if you ran around today saying you were ‘gay’ but meant ‘happy’, people would take that to mean you were, well, gay!

Sometimes God gets through to people where there at at the moment. Some on this board are maligning Glenn Beck because he found his wife to be ‘hot’…okay…so are you telling me you were NOT sexually attracted to your spouse before marriage? He mixes his teaching abilities with his humor. Humor attracts listeners. He is MOST serious about keeping this country free so YOU can enjoy attending whatever Catholic Church you want.

As for those who watched him on an interview on CBS, good luck with that. Soundbites. You and others would be fortunate if God gave you the ability to understand exactly what it is Glenn Beck is trying to teach. Has it ever occurred to you that God uses people? Yes, he was a drunk, a drug user, an absolute jerk, but he found God. He may not have found HIM in your church, but he found God. And he did something with his life, which, in turn, enriches MY life in that I understand what our politicians are trying to do with Health Care ‘Reform’.

You know what? There was a post by someone on another board who asked which political persuasion Jesus would be. Jesus would be against voting! Period. Jesus would be against Killing (as in WAR) Period. What Jesus was FOR was preaching the WORD OF GOD to every corner of this earth…do you do that? Or do you tell people they have to be Catholic in order to get into Heaven? That will only drive people away from the Catholic faith.

Glenn Beck is for GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY. And if you wish to get your soundbites from left, really LEFT sources, then you’re not even in Glenn Beck’s league, whether you’re Catholic or not.

Sorry to have offended anybody. I’m so frustrated by some on these boards that I’m beginning to understand how Jesus felt when he turned over the Moneychangers’ tables outside the church!

Maggie
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[catharina]

I preface this by saying I’m a Catholic. Your response to this is unbelievable. And the some of the others re him being a Catholic at one time, now he’s a Morman! God forbid!

First, the Catholic Church has no one to blame but ITSELF for not teaching the Catholic Faith properly. The Shepherds will be held accountable for that, not the sheep. For years, the Catholic Church didn’t teach the Bible and they still don’t know how to teach the Bible. If anyone wants to know anything about the Bible, they have to do their own homework. Did you know I once sat in on a RCIA class. The ‘teacher’ had no idea that Jesus was celebrating the Passover during the last supper! Unbelievable. God does amazing things.

**Your ‘opinion’ maligns Glenn Beck. He may be more ‘Christian’ than you. He has never maligned the Catholic faith. He’s trying to teach what the real phrase ‘social justice’ means. Obviously, you haven’t read that part. You seem to be still hung up on some news report that he hates Jesus! (Which is NOT true). **

Interesting assumptions about my opinion — but I expect to find advice about Catholic teachings from Catholics who have the authority to teach me. As for me, I have never read any news report about Glenn Beck (outside of this thread).

Okay maybe you can understand this…what does ‘gay’ mean today? Well, years ago, it meant happy. Today it means homosexuality. So, if you ran around today saying you were ‘gay’ but meant ‘happy’, people would take that to mean you were, well, gay!

Sometimes God gets through to people where there at at the moment. Some on this board are maligning Glenn Beck because he found his wife to be ‘hot’…okay…so are you telling me you were NOT sexually attracted to your spouse before marriage? He mixes his teaching abilities with his humor. Humor attracts listeners. He is MOST serious about keeping this country free so YOU can enjoy attending whatever Catholic Church you want.

As for those who watched him on an interview on CBS, good luck with that. Soundbites. You and others would be fortunate if God gave you the ability to understand exactly what it is Glenn Beck is trying to teach. Has it ever occurred to you that God uses people? Yes, he was a drunk, a drug user, an absolute jerk, but he found God. He may not have found HIM in your church, but he found God. And he did something with his life, which, in turn, enriches MY life in that I understand what our politicians are trying to do with Health Care ‘Reform’.

You know what? There was a post by someone on another board who asked which political persuasion Jesus would be. Jesus would be against voting! Period. Jesus would be against Killing (as in WAR) Period. What Jesus was FOR was preaching the WORD OF GOD to every corner of this earth…do you do that? Or do you tell people they have to be Catholic in order to get into Heaven? That will only drive people away from the Catholic faith.

Glenn Beck is for GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY. And if you wish to get your soundbites from left, really LEFT sources, then you’re not even in Glenn Beck’s league, whether you’re Catholic or not.

Sorry to have offended anybody.

Maggie
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**I can’t think of anyone who considers the Catholic bishops to be a leftie group. If you think so, so be it. **

 

[Maggie1951]

Ok. We get that you like GB and are willing to go to the mat for him. But would you mind listening to what he said that was the origin of this thread. Listen to the first post. He said to leave your church if social justice is an issue in that church. That was the primary purpose of the thread.
When did the government get into the mix?

The government got into the mix when politicians started using the phrase Social Justice! A buzzword for Socialism. And there are some far left leaning CATHOLIC Churches with some very far left leaning priests who go along with the government. I’ve left Catholic Churches for this very reason. I’ve left Catholic Churches for not having kneelers. He’s saying if you’re attending ANY church that uses the phrase Social Justice loosely, leave, because he KNOWS not all PREACHERS, Priests, etc., are religiously inclined!

Quite frankly, the Catholic Church has been in bed with the government (Hello?) for years. Just last month, they gave up government subsidies in Washington, D.C. because of the abortion issue, but they didn’t give up without a fight. Money was more important than the abortion issue. And don’t even start me on known politicians who support issues that the Church doesn’t approve of receiving communion! I say excommunicate them until they repent!

I’m outta here. This issue annoys me to no end. The Church’s inability to teach properly. The government’s inability to govern the way people voted them to govern. My taxes going for abortion. This stupid health care ‘debate’. Not!

God wouldn’t want any one of us to be arguing about this. That is why politic and religion do NOT mix. Remember: it was politics that crucified Jesus.

Maggie!

 

[Maggie1951]

You wrote: Interesting assumptions about my opinion — but I expect to find advice about Catholic teachings from Catholics who have the authority to teach me. As for me, I have never read any news report about Glenn Beck (outside of this thread).

**I can’t think of anyone who considers the Catholic bishops to be a leftie group. If you think so, so be it. **

EECH! Assumption? The only people with ‘the authority’ to teach? Well, sorry. I suggest you go to the CCC or the Vatican for authority. There is pretty much nobody on these boards with the absolute authority to teach. Go read it. And if you’re not that interested in Glenn Beck, why even post a reply (and in red no less). And if you don’t believe there are left leaning Catholic Bishops, you are indeed blind.

Oh, and that’s MY ‘opinion’. I’m not ‘maligning’ you.

So be it.

Maggie

 

[catharina]

You wrote: Interesting assumptions about my opinion — but I expect to find advice about Catholic teachings from Catholics who have the authority to teach me. As for me, I have never read any news report about Glenn Beck (outside of this thread).

EECH! Assumption? The only people with ‘the authority’ to teach? Well, sorry. I suggest you go to the CCC or the Vatican for authority. There is pretty much nobody on these boards with the absolute authority to teach. Go read it. And if you’re not that interested in Glenn Beck, why even post a reply (and in red no less). And if you don’t believe there are left leaning Catholic Bishops, you are indeed blind.

Oh, and that’s MY ‘opinion’. I’m not ‘maligning’ you.

So be it.

Maggie

Maybe you need to take a refresher in Reading Comprehension. Those who have the authority to teach me (as I said, to teach ME) about Church teaching are Catholic bishops who have the authority to do so. Regarding issues of Social Justice, a virtue, the local bishops will do just fine. (That’s true for you as well.) We depend on learning truth first and formost through our faith as Catholics. If you’re doing something else, so be it.

I’m aware that there are left-leaning bishops. A statement from the USCCB re pending healthcare legislation is irrelevant as far as “left-leaning” bishops. As to why I entered this thread? I look at most threads re Social Justice. Anything else bothering you?

 

[Ella]

First, telling someone (millions of people) to leave their church is a pretty serious thing to do. Which Glenn did- when he left Catholicism to become, not a protestant Christian, but a Mormon. Mormons are not Christian.

Second, it wouldn’t surprise me if this ‘social justice’ thing Glenn fears is more about caring for illegal immigrants than about health care reform.

 

[Chele16]

What Jesus and the Catholic Church mean by social justice and what Glenn Beck (on the right) and the progressives (on the left) mena by social justice are 2 different things.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has a marvelous treatment of th esubject in CCC # 1928-42, 2425-26, 2832 also related issues of solidarity and justice (distributive) are of great help. Matthew 25:31-45 give Jesus’ idea of what social justice means. Similarly, the Old Testament prophets – especially Amos give a good biblical perspective. the Catholic Churchhas a vast set of papal encyclicals on social Justice in practice beginning with Leo XII’s Rerum Novarum in 1893 and continuing down through Benedict XVi’s Caritatis in Veritate.

Fr. Bruce King, I.C.

Thank you!!!

 

[Phil_Stone]

“You fail to recognize that the absence of a prohibition against abortion funding in the current legislation is the equivalent of funding it. You also fail to recognize that the Hyde Amendment does not apply to the substantial monies being budgeted for community health clinics that provide abortions.”

I just re-read the bill and it is pretty clear on at least two points:

1. That the Federal exchange must have at least one policy that doesn’t cover abortion, and at least one which does.

This provides for choice within the exchange for people who want abortion coverage, and those who do not. If you want a Health Care Bill which is neutral on Abortion, this is what you want. If you want a Health Care bill which is really an Anti-Abortion bill, you will not be happy with this.

1. That in no way shape or form should federal funds be used to subsidize the coverage of abortion services.

In part it says this:8 (2) PROHIBITION ON THE USE OF FEDERAL
9 FUNDS.–
10 (A) IN GENERAL.–If a qualified health
11 plan provides coverage of services described in
12 paragraph (1)(B)(i), the issuer of the plan shall
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16 (i) The credit under section 36B of
17 the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (and
18 the amount (if any) of the advance pay19
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20 the Patient Protection and Affordable Care
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1 tion under section 1412 of the Patient
2 Protection and Affordable Care Act).

There is no “absence of a prohibition against abortion funding.”

Mr Stupak wanted a bill which was not Abortion neutral, but Anti-Abortion. That is why it could not get through the House.

 

[Tigg]

For those with the time and inclination for further reading, the following article, reprinted on the EWTN website, may be helpful in lending some context to the ongoing argument about “social justice.” I found it very revealing.

ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ATRISK.TXT

All my best…

PS. Still waiting for the evidence of Glenn Beck’s dangerous, sociopathic, selfish, hateful judgements. (Third request).

I’m still waiting as well, and I see there has been absolutely no response to the very crux of this thread that could prove Beck wrong when he said that “social justice” is terminology that churches are using to promote progressive ideology.

 

[JulieAA]

I’m still waiting as well, and I see there has been absolutely no response to the very crux of this thread that could prove Beck wrong when he said that “social justice” is terminology that churches are using to promote progressive ideology.

Thank you…still waiting to read something on this as well!

 

[jrabs]

I’m still waiting as well, and I see there has been absolutely no response to the very crux of this thread that could prove Beck wrong when he said that “social justice” is terminology that churches are using to promote progressive ideology.

Not just churches, but schools, institutions, media, groups calling anything they want “social justice”.

 

[jrabs]

First, telling someone (millions of people) to leave their church is a pretty serious thing to do. Which Glenn did- when he left Catholicism to become, not a protestant Christian, but a Mormon. Mormons are not Christian.

Second, it wouldn’t surprise me if this ‘social justice’ thing Glenn fears is more about caring for illegal immigrants than about health care reform.

Really? He did? Or do you think it may possibly a printed statement taken out of context - just as we have seem many times over with Sarah Palin et al. because I do watch/ listen to Glenn and I do understand what he was saying.

Sounds like some folk hear a sound bite, see a news clip, read a headline and it becomes fact in their heads.

Then like Chicken Little, we run about spewing incorrect statements,“Oh that Glenn Beck said this and that - Can you believe he’d tell people to run from the church and to stop supporting charitable groups? Isn’t that horrible?”

When he really is only warning us to open our eyes and take a look-see behind the charity. Is it bona fide? Does it covertly support a program that Catholics should not be promoting and supporting? Is it promoting a progressive agenda?

In this day and age, things are often NOT what they appear. Wouldn’t that be the prudent thing to do these days? Look, listen, think, pray and really see.

Perhaps it is just easier to sit back and lambaste what we do not understand.

 

[jrabs]

Ok. We get that you like GB and are willing to go to the mat for him. But would you mind listening to what he said that was the origin of this thread. Listen to the first post. He said to leave your church if social justice is an issue in that church. That was the primary purpose of the thread.
When did the government get into the mix?

Not even sure what going to the mat means…Actually I am really a Rush Limbaugh fan, and Glenn is not my man. But alas, I do listen to him on the radio and I hear him speak on this often. And straight from his mouth. I don’t need to read altered clips - I hear him speak.

He openly says we need to watch for progressive programs rolled into the catch phrase “social justice”. There are all kinds of programs packaged into this politically correct catch phrase “social justice” these days.

I liken it to the new meaning of “tolerance”. These PC catch phrases can be dangerous.

 

[kbkam]

I am a practicing RC and also listen to GB. He said specifically to watch out for the ‘social justice’ /progressive groups in the Church which are linked to leftist political groups-go to their websites and click on links to see what they support. He also gives a history of liberation theology which was used to infiltrate Marxism into the Church in Latin America-many parishes have offshoots of this today. Marxism is godless.

What he did not say was to leave the Church. He acknowledged that social activity by the Church is not all progressive/Marxist-just do your research to see what your parish supports. It’s not about religion, it’s about leftist politics using religion. Ironic, because, again, Marxism is godless.

We are not slaves to God-He gives us free will and when we choose to give of our own free will, we please Him. When we are forced through the government taxation to ‘give’, does that constitute voluntary giving and please God? IMHO, I think not.

The gov’t also supports many things that are against the 10 Commandments- taxes are either going to those or are freeing up money to go to enforce policies which I do not believe are moral.

Anyway, not being an expert, that’s my opinion and I prefer to do my research and not be a ‘useful idiot’ (a cold war socialist-marxist phrase).

GB is not a sociopath or a clown. He tries to put an entertaining face on conservative principles and usually succeeds. He’s also is doing an excellent job of educating and reminding us of our country’s founders’ intentions and warnings.

 

[JulieAA]

I am a practicing RC and also listen to GB. He said specifically to watch out for the ‘social justice’ /progressive groups in the Church which are linked to leftist political groups-go to their websites and click on links to see what they support. He also gives a history of liberation theology which was used to infiltrate Marxism into the Church in Latin America-many parishes have offshoots of this today. Marxism is godless.

What he did not say was to leave the Church. He acknowledged that social activity by the Church is not all progressive/Marxist-just do your research to see what your parish supports. It’s not about religion, it’s about leftist politics using religion. Ironic, because, again, Marxism is godless.

We are not slaves to God-He gives us free will and when we choose to give of our own free will, we please Him. When we are forced through the government taxation to ‘give’, does that constitute voluntary giving and please God? IMHO, I think not.

Very well said! I, as well, listen to Glenn Beck and find him to be a very educated, well-informed Libitarian (yes, entertaining, but that is show biz). This week he is speaking about “Faith/Hope and Charity”… He wants what we all want: to be told the truth!
The gov’t also supports many things that are against the 10 Commandments- taxes are either going to those or are freeing up money to go to enforce policies which I do not believe are moral.

Anyway, not being an expert, that’s my opinion and I prefer to do my research and not be a ‘useful idiot’ (a cold war socialist-marxist phrase).

GB is not a sociopath or a clown. He tries to put an entertaining face on conservative principles and usually succeeds. He’s also is doing an excellent job of educating and reminding us of our country’s founders’ intentions and warnings.