Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

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Vasian said:
We all here at the Russia House sat and watched that very interview. I can tell you here, before our Lord, and you all that it is accurate enough that it conveys what the two talked about and that the subject matter is as it is stated herein.

Do I need to find the actual manuscript and post it as well?
Would that in fact, change your mind? Probably not.

There is more than one interview. Go to the first post and hear the one we are discussing here not the retread I don’t doubt the interview with O"Reilly. But this is not the same interview.

Convet66’s writ hit the nail on the head:thumbsup:
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I’m self employed and I work in my own shop everyday all by myself. I listen to Beck’s radio show everyday.
Your take on Beck is far off course and especially on this topic.
He clarified his comments many times prior to that O’Reily interview.
You WANT his comment to be what you want it to be, and not what it was.

Again… Convet66’s post explains it pretty fair and concise.
 
RWMorris said:
You can quote it till the cows come home. There is nothing in Canon Law that promotes government social programs. And that is exactly what Glenn Beck is talking about. I have heard enough Catholic and other church sermons/homilies, and read enough floatsam from the USCCB, and plenty of leftist Catholic claptrap on these forums, to not know that “social gospel”, in most cases, means progressive agenda. I will not pass the buck, I will not let any of us off the hook. It is everyone’s individual responsibility to carry out Jesus’ mission on earth. It is not the government’s responsibility.
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IMHO, the social gospelerss are in modern dress the old union of crown-and -altar , which the popes have fought against since Constantine made Christianity the state religion and then twisted it to his own purposes. Never mind, they say, that the modern state is atheist at its heart, a fact that the radical Muslims understand and which is one reason for their rejection of modern society but one that liberal Catholics dismiss as unimportant.
 
RobbyS said:
IMHO, the social gospelerss are in modern dress the old union of crown-and -altar , which the popes have fought against since Constantine made Christianity the state religion and then twisted it to his own purposes. …
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This union is not supported in the latest papal encyclical. In this we find the position of the Catholic Church.

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

As Catholics, our allegiance is to a greater king than any earthly king. We are to individually follow his instructions in regard to the poor and needy. At times, that may mean supporting legislation that runs counter to current American or conservative ideas. At such time we must ask ourselves where our citizenship lies first, here in America or in the Kingdom of Heaven.

We are ambassadors here, sojourners in a strange land. Christians understand this. Those who wear a political badge of Christianity do not.
 
Vasian said:
No, that article is Liberal Spin at its best.
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I believe you are right, as most blogs are more spin than substance. However, the poster there did say one thing that rang true for me:

Instead he managed to outrage Christians in most mainline Protestant denominations, African-American congregations, Hispanic churches, and Catholics–who first heard the term “social justice” in papal encyclicals and have a little something in their tradition called "Catholic social teaching." (Not to mention the teaching of a certain fellow from Nazareth who was always blathering on about justice…)

Since Beck mentioned priests specifically, it is hard for me to believe he is ignorant of the latest papal encyclical and the idea of the Catholic Social Doctrine. He did not use the term Liberation Theology which would have accurately identified a more Communist leaning. No, I feel (subjectively) like he called me and my Holy Father Communists. He may not have meant to do that, but that sure seemed to be what he was saying. The only other option as I see it is that he is an buffoon who speaks without any idea of what he is saying.
 
This is the response of Fr. James Martin, S.J.

huffingtonpost.com/rev-james-martin-sj/glenn-beck-to-catholics-l_b_490669.html
Social justice is not just some silly foreign idea. American Catholics know that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops have an Office of Justice, Peace and Human Development. On that website the U.S. bishops say: “At the core of the virtue of solidarity is the pursuit of justice and peace. Our love for all our sisters and brothers demands that we promote peace in a world surrounded by violence and conflict.”
Get it? Social justice is an essential part of Catholic teaching. It’s part of being a Catholic. So Glenn Beck is, in essence, saying “Leave the Catholic church.”
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pnewton said:
Interesting that you should mention sound bites and Reverend Wright ( I think we all remember those sound bites) in the same post. Could it be that Beck is being hoisted on his own petard? It is impossible for a person to always keep their prejudice from showing, as in the case of both Wright and Beck.
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Yes, what I found really interesting about the Wright sound bytes is that the media played and re-played the same 30 seconds of “G-d d*** America” and thought that in and of itself it was unbiblical or unChristian. I desperately wished that the media had looked harder at who the man really is and what he actually preaches. Alas, the “adversarial press” (including Fox) were little more than paid spin-doctors or the public relations arm of the DNC.

If the press had bothered to dig just a little, I think the vast majority of Americans would be appalled that such hogwash theology is so prevalent in the “black nationalist church.” Consequently, a man who sits and listens for twenty years, has his marriage ceremony performed and blessed by such a man, not to mention solicits the man to baptize his children must be in some sort of fundamental agreement. Then again, maybe twenty years is insufficient time to gather an informed opinion; or, maybe he was just not paying attention.

Given the President’s reputation for eloquent brilliance it tends to confirm what Mr. Beck said that “cost him so many sponsors last year”.

Catharina writes:
  1. As for this type of thinking: :“Social justice IS a virtue, as long as it is not contradictory and incompatible with the WHOLE of Catholic social teachings. … etc.” skip that follow-up. Social justice is a VIRTUE, period. The end. There is NO social gospel. There has never been a social gospel.
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So if I were to march with NARAL and NOW for abortion rights and said I was a good Catholic “seeking reproductive rights in the spirit of social justice” that would, by your line of (non)thinking be perfectly compatible with the Magisterial view of “social justice” simply because I used the phrase. This is childish.

“I am a Pittsburgh Steeler” does not make me a professional football player. This is blindingly obvious and, moreover, usually obvious to kindergarteners. Not so much to the clinically insane, or, I gather, to liberals. Ask Woodrow Wilson’s hagiographers, mainline protestants or Hillary Clinton supporters if there is a “social gospel.” There is, and Sorel, Marx, Blavatsky, Bernays, Freud, Weber, Wilson, Mussolini, Lenin, Trotsky, Gramsci, Bellamy, Carter, Clinton and Obama all are adherents.

Via Dolorosa keeps asking how government got brought into it…while simultaneously reminding us that it is our duty as good Catholics to support government efforts for “social justice” (regardless of what that looks like, just so long as the phrase is used).
I guess she has her answer if she is merely paying attention to her own (or her fellow traveler’s) words.

Surely your pedigree and proximity to so many Catholic expressions and people doesn’t necessarily mean that you yourself are a Catholic. That would be the inversion of “guilt-by-association” wouldn’t it. I mean, didn’t even our Lord say that not everyone who says to Him, “Lord, Lord” will be in the Kingdom of Heaven, right? Although, personally, I am willing to take your word for it.

Tielhard de Chardin was a Catholic priest, too, for goodness’ sake, as was the heretic Origen. Oh, and de Chardin was a Jungian progressive who pined about liberal causes-qua-“social justice” because he believed, like progressives, in the inherent perfectibility of man through social engineering and evolutionary forces.

I think he played outside linebacker for the Steelers, as well. 😉

All my best…
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
Well let’s see.
Catholic grade school
Catholic high school
Catholic college
Catholic grad school
1 cousin who is a Catholic bishop
1 cousin who is a Catholic priest
1 uncle who was a Catholic priest (now deceased)
2 aunts who are Catholic nuns
1 son considering the priesthood
teach in a Catholic school.
I’m going to say yes.
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Are you baptised, have you been confirmed into the faith, do you go to confession regularly, do your regularly receive communion, do you believe? These are the things that make you a Catholic. None of the things you mentioned have anything to do with you being Catholic. I do all the things I mentioned. But, I am not perfect. I am still a “work in progress.” 🙂
 
Convert66, your last post was odious. I’ll not respond to the circular thinking.
…and again, from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

"PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST

SECTION ONE
MAN’S VOCATION LIFE IN THE SPIRIT

CHAPTER TWO
THE HUMAN COMMUNION

ARTICLE 3
SOCIAL JUSTICE

1928 Society ensures social justice when it provides the conditions that allow associations or individuals to obtain what is their due, according to their nature and their vocation. Social justice is linked to the common good and the exercise of authority.

I. RESPECT FOR THE HUMAN PERSON

1929 Social justice can be obtained only in respecting the transcendent dignity of man. The person represents the ultimate end of society, which is ordered to him:

What is at stake is the dignity of the human person, whose defense and promotion have been entrusted to us by the Creator, and to whom the men and women at every moment of history are strictly and responsibly in debt.35
1930 **Respect for the human person entails respect for the rights that flow from his dignity as a creature. These rights are prior to society and must be recognized by it. They are the basis of the moral legitimacy of every authority: by flouting them, or refusing to recognize them in its positive legislation, a society undermines its own moral legitimacy.36 If it does not respect them, authority can rely only on force or violence to obtain obedience from its subjects. It is the Church’s role to remind men of good will of these rights and to distinguish them from unwarranted or false claims. **
1931 Respect for the human person proceeds by way of respect for the principle that "everyone should look upon his neighbor (without any exception) as ‘another self,’ above all bearing in mind his life and the means necessary for living it with dignity."37 No legislation could by itself do away with the fears, prejudices, and attitudes of pride and selfishness which obstruct the establishment of truly fraternal societies. Such behavior will cease only through the charity that finds in every man a “neighbor,” a brother.

1932 The duty of making oneself a neighbor to others and actively serving them becomes even more urgent when it involves the disadvantaged, in whatever area this may be. "As you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me."38 "
 
Catharina,
Convert66, your last post was odious. I’ll not respond to the circular thinking.
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An example of “circular thinking” would be to respond with descriptives while simultaneously claiming that you are not responding. Orwell referred to it as “doublethink.”

All my best…🙂
 
Convert66 said:
Catharina,

An example of “circular thinking” would be to respond with descriptives while simultaneously claiming that you are not responding. Orwell referred to it as “doublethink.”

All my best…🙂
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Best use of double speak is referring to abortion as healthcare.

All my best.
 
Gee…let us forget about Glenn Beck for the next few hours and PRAY!!! Beck opened up his mouth and put his foot just in time to DIVERTour attention from the important issues. Thank you Mr. Beck for helping Mr. Obama with his legacy…God is in His heavens looking at His right hand…
 
Convert66 said:
So if I were to march with NARAL and NOW for abortion rights and said I was a good Catholic “seeking reproductive rights in the spirit of social justice” that would, by your line of (non)thinking be perfectly compatible with the Magisterial view of “social justice” simply because I used the phrase. This is childish.

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If you want specifics (and it seems you do) then I’ll say this statement is VILE.
Not childish, vile.
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catharina said:
…and again, from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

"PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST

SECTION ONE
MAN’S VOCATION LIFE IN THE SPIRIT

CHAPTER TWO
THE HUMAN COMMUNION

ARTICLE 3
SOCIAL JUSTICE

1928 Society ensures social justice when it provides the conditions that allow associations or individuals to obtain what is their due, according to their nature and their vocation. Social justice is linked to the common good and the exercise of authority.

I. RESPECT FOR THE HUMAN PERSON

1929 Social justice can be obtained only in respecting the transcendent dignity of man. The person represents the ultimate end of society, which is ordered to him:

What is at stake is the dignity of the human person, whose defense and promotion have been entrusted to us by the Creator, and to whom the men and women at every moment of history are strictly and responsibly in debt.35
1930 Respect for the human person entails respect for the rights that flow from his dignity as a creature. These rights are prior to society and must be recognized by it. They are the basis of the moral legitimacy of every authority: by flouting them, or refusing to recognize them in its positive legislation, a society undermines its own moral legitimacy.
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Interestingly, a recognition that ‘respect for the human person entails rights that flow from his dignity as a creature’…and a recognition that these rights are ‘prior to society’ would tend to preclude legislation that is in contradistinction to any system of societal order based upon “subsidiarism.”

The Catechism instructs us here further that “… by flouting them, or refusing to recognize them in its positive legislation, a society undermines its own moral legitimacy.” So, any abortion legislation, being, theoretically and legally-speaking “positive law” would be an example of a society “…undermin[ing] its own moral legitimacy.”

By extension, any efforts at “social justice” aligned with groups who, through support of abortion, “gay marriage” or the welfare state, “undermine its own moral legitimacy” and should be summarily rejected by any Catholic of good and well-formed conscience.
37 No legislation could by itself do away with the fears, prejudices, and attitudes of pride and selfishness which obstruct the establishment of truly fraternal societies. Such behavior will cease only through the charity that finds in every man a “neighbor,” a brother.

1932 The duty of making oneself a neighbor to others and actively serving them becomes even more urgent when it involves the disadvantaged, in whatever area this may be. “As you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.”
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Sounds nearly identical to what many here have been saying all along. to whit: just because the government proposes it, centralizes it, or taxes it in the name of “social justice” does NOT make it so. I am thrilled that the Catholic Church’s thinking and position is crystal clear on this.

If only Catholics themselves were willing to submit to such wisdom instead of their intuitive feelings provoked by “code words.”

All my best…👍
 
Convert66 said:
By extension, any efforts at “social justice” aligned with groups who, through support of abortion, “gay marriage” or the welfare state, “undermine its own moral legitimacy” and should be summarily rejected by any Catholic of good and well-formed conscience.

Obviously.

Sounds nearly identical to what many here have been saying all along. to whit: just because the government proposes it, centralizes it, or taxes it in the name of “social justice” does NOT make it so. I am thrilled that the Catholic Church’s thinking and position is crystal clear on this.

**Therefore as Catholics, we are called to influence legislation toward the good.
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If only Catholics themselves were willing to submit to such wisdom instead of their intuitive feelings provoked by “code words.”

To call the virtue of Social Justice a code word is to spread a lie.

All my best…👍
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TheresaLS said:
Gee…let us forget about Glenn Beck for the next few hours and PRAY!!! Beck opened up his mouth and put his foot just in time to DIVERTour attention from the important issues. Thank you Mr. Beck for helping Mr. Obama with his legacy…God is in His heavens looking at His right hand…
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As you have said, it is a time for prayer not a time for Glenn Beck.
Peace to you.
 
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