Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

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4elise said:
Lest we bring to bare the wrath of sister ruler in hand - 😉 - if I have said or posted anything that has been offensive I offer a very sincere apology.

Easter Week Blessings!
The tomb is empty!

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While driving this afternoon:
I listened to the passage of Mary Magdelene encountering Jesus after she saw the empty tomb. That He gave her a message to give to the Apostles is so thrilling. “Tell them to meet Me in Jerusalem.” Such an honor given to a woman - my heavens!
 
sedonaman said:
Contrast the above with William Weld, Kerry’s evil Republican opponent and tell me who was closer to practicing “social justice”:

William Weld’s tax returns (5 dependents)

Year…Income…Charity

1990…$278,375…$15,255

1991…166,564…55,534

1992…258,547…16,200

1993…162,315…28,194

1994…106,656…25,735

1995…110,418…24,010

Total income, '90-95: $1,082,875
Total charity, '90-95: 164,928
Charity as % of income: 15.2%

SOURCE: IRS Forms 1040, 1990-1995 (supplied by Kerry and Weld campaigns). Boston Globe Staff Chart from May 16, 1996
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I have no idea what these individuals charitable giving has to do with this discussion? :confused:
 
4elise said:
I have no idea what these individuals charitable giving has to do with this discussion? :confused:
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I’m equally clueless about the run of numbers.
This is CA and it’s NOT the Politics Form.

I care if John Kerry stands against abortion.
Is he a Catholic who stands with the teachings of his faith?

I don’t care where/how he spends his money.
 
catharina said:
I’m equally clueless about the run of numbers.
This is CA and it’s NOT the Polotics Form.

I care if John Kerry stands against abortion.
I don’t care where/how he spends his money.
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And for this thread it might be interesting to know if they too think individuals should leave Churches that teach Social Justice 🤷
 
4elise said:
And for this thread it might be interesting to know if they too think individuals should leave Churches that teach Social Justice 🤷
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That’s the only issue of this thread. Were the words of glenn beck directed against the Catholic Church when he ignored the real meaning of Social Justice in the Church. Rants against a virtue (he denies it’s a virtue, I guess) and ‘warnings’ to people to leave their parish and report their priests to the bishops … what other ‘church’ might he be have in mind? The Epicopalians, the Anglicans? Those are very tiny groups. It’s Catholics who seem to rankle glenn beck, perhaps because he really does know better - or he did before he abandoned his God-given faith and joined the LDS. (The best defense for beck is a good offense???)
 
catharina said:
That’s the only issue of this thread. Were the words of glenn beck directed against the Catholic Church when he ignored the real meaning of Social Justice in the Church. Rants against a virtue (he denies it’s a virtue, I guess) and ‘warnings’ to people to leave their parish and report their priests to the bishops … what other ‘church’ might he be have in mind? The Epicopalians, the Anglicans? Those are very tiny groups. It’s Catholics who seem to rankle glenn beck, perhaps because he really does know better - or he did before he abandoned his God-given faith and joined the LDS. (The best defense for beck is a good offense???)
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He is not against social justice in the charitable sense. He promotes charity and individual giving to people. He distrusts the state, however, and for good reason: Look at how the state is trying to get federal funding for abortion. This is not acceptable by the Catholic Church. The government just creates dependency when it gives. Charities help people out, yes, but they also educate people, and try to get them on their feet so that they may start serving as well.
 
To find out just what Beck has been talking about…go right now to EWTN Catholic channel. They are on it right now…on Abundant Life. They are on Liberation Theology too! Hope you all go watch it or catch this show when it is back on this Thursday night.
 
presidentjlh said:
He is not against social justice in the charitable sense. He promotes charity and individual giving to people. He distrusts the state, however, and for good reason: Look at how the state is trying to get federal funding for abortion. This is not acceptable by the Catholic Church. The government just creates dependency when it gives. Charities help people out, yes, but they also educate people, and try to get them on their feet so that they may start serving as well.
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Can you also acknowledge that his vocabulary took aim at the Catholic Church?
 
jewells17 said:
To find out just what Beck has been talking about…go right now to EWTN Catholic channel. They are on it right now…on Abundant Life. They are on Liberation Theology too! Hope you all go watch it or catch this show when it is back on this Thursday night.
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Honestly I don’t depend on TV to form my conscience.
I’ve never watched glenn beck - or even heard of him 'til this thread.
Also I’ve seldom watched anything on EWTN. Simply my decision.
 
catharina said:
Can you also acknowledge that his vocabulary took aim at the Catholic Church?
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Is it aimed at the Catholic Church, or at those in the Church that think social justice means advocating government control?
 
catharina said:
Honestly I don’t depend on TV to form my conscience.
I’ve never watched glenn beck - or even heard of him 'til this thread.
Also I’ve seldom watched anything on EWTN. Simply my decision.
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I can see why you would say that.
 
presidentjlh said:
Is it aimed at the Catholic Church, or at those in the Church that think social justice means advocating government control?
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I do not personally know any Catholics who think Social Justice is anything beyond a virtue within the Catholic Church. If some mis-use the term within the Church they should be corrected, firmly and quickly. I have no idea what glenn beck might or not think about anyone in the Church. He broke his bond to the Church yet he used words that aim at the Catholic Church.

He could have clearly used other terms such as ministers or pastors; those terms apply to many many Christians in denominations. Instead he chose to use terms that are known to be in use within the Catholic faith and that is his problem, not mine.
 
catharina said:
I do not personally know any Catholics who think Social Justice is anything beyond a virtue within the Catholic Church. If some mis-use the term within the Church they should be corrected, firmly and quickly. I have no idea what glenn beck might or not think about anyone in the Church. He broke his bond to the Church yet he used words that aim at the Catholic Church.

He could have clearly used other terns such as ministers or pastors; those terms apply to many many Christians in denominations. He chose to use terms that are known to be in use within the Catholic faith and that is his problem, not mine.
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Maybe because the problem is more common with Catholic priests than any other, but who knows?

We cannot automatically assume that Glenn Beck is attacking the Church. Sometimes the term “priest” is used interchangibly (sp?) with “minister” and “pastor”.
 
presidentjlh said:
Maybe because the problem is more common with Catholic priests than any other, but who knows?

We cannot automatically assume that Glenn Beck is attacking the Church. Sometimes the term “priest” is used interchangibly (sp?) with “minister” and “pastor”.
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Really? Want to present examples of that? I’ve never heard it done.
Most non-Catholics seem horrified by the word “priest.”
They state:
my minister
our reverend
the pastor
the preacher

etc.,
before they’d utter “priest.”
 
catharina said:
I do not personally know any Catholics who think Social Justice is anything beyond a virtue within the Catholic Church. If some mis-use the term within the Church they should be corrected, firmly and quickly. I have no idea what glenn beck might or not think about anyone in the Church. He broke his bond to the Church yet he used words that aim at the Catholic Church.

He could have clearly used other terms such as ministers or pastors; those terms apply to many many Christians in denominations. Instead he chose to use terms that are known to be in use within the Catholic faith and that is his problem, not mine.
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Let me personally introduce myself. Now you know someone who believes that "social justice (or “peace and justice” or the like) is a vehicle for dissenters within the Church to advance a socialist agenda. The Church, with the help and blessing of the clergy, has funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to socialist, pro-abortion, pro-gay activity, organizations. I wish Beck would expose all of this and educate the average Catholic.
 
catharina said:
Honestly I don’t depend on TV to form my conscience.
I’ve never watched glenn beck - or even heard of him 'til this thread.
Also I’ve seldom watched anything on EWTN. Simply my decision.
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With all due respect…why do you keep going after Beck when you admit you have never watched him or listened to him…or even heard of him before this thread? This has got to be a joke…that you would do this without any firsthand experience of Beck.
 
presidentjlh said:
Maybe because the problem is more common with Catholic priests than any other, but who knows?

We cannot automatically assume that Glenn Beck is attacking the Church. Sometimes the term “priest” is used interchangibly (sp?) with “minister” and “pastor”.
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What problem is it you are talking about? Perhaps this is where there has been such a misunderstanding - I do not see any problem with the Social Justice Teaching of the Catholic Church - perhaps others do - but if they do - I can only wonder why they remain in communion?

Being Catholic doesn’t mean being conservative or liberal, republican or democrat - as I understand it being Catholic means trying to follow the teaching of Christ as they are handed down to us by the Church. The Catholic Church does teach Social Justice - not liberation theology, and not an individualistic world view either. The Social Justice teaching of our church just makes sense and I think some are willing to say it is wrong, or being taught incorrectly because someone on TV says it is so… anyway - I don’t want to assume bad motives on the part of anyone posting here - I think it can be challenging to have a respectful exchange of thoughts and I also think divisiveness is being ramped up — we should work very hard to ramp it down!

Blessings!

P.S., I wasn’t aware of that, most protestants I’ve met really make that distinction… they have ministers… not priests, but that is my experience I guess.
 
Monica02 said:
Let me personally introduce myself. Now you know someone who believes that "social justice (or “peace and justice” or the like) is a vehicle for dissenters within the Church to advance a socialist agenda. The Church, with the help and blessing of the clergy, has funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to socialist, pro-abortion, pro-gay activity, organizations. I wish Beck would expose all of this and educate the average Catholic.
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A very strong accusation against the clergy and the church. Do you have evidence of such wrong doings?
 
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