Global Climate Disruption

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The navy go to proper sources to find out about the sea ice.

They found the sea ice has increased by 25% since 2008.

wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/29/arctic-ice-volume-has-increased-25-since-may-2008/

The ice melts a little in the North pole at the end of each nothern summer and ice melts in Antarctica at the end of each southern hemisphere summer happens every year always has done.
Some people who post on these forums are uninformed…****
I’ll have to stop or my post will be deleted
 
markbrumbaugh said:
How long have we had satellite records? The lowest in say 30 years means NOTHING compared to the billions of years the earth has been in existance.
The ice may continue to melt until we start another ice age. Then the cycle will repeat itself AGAIN.
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Looks like we only have nine (9) years worth of satellite data on Arctic ice extent. 2002 to date. Prior to that the data was no good. Bad data, bad data.

And it looks like all of the data shows the Arctic ice extent to all be in a narrow normal band.

So, if we only have nine years of satellite data, then how can someone use 30 years in a sentence about Arctic ice extent.
 
There is a complex scientific analysis guideline known as “don’t mix apples and oranges”.

“The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) has been at the forefront of predicting doom in the arctic as ice melts due to global warming. In May, 2008 they went so far as to predict that the North Pole would be ice-free during the 2008 ‘melt season,’ leading to a lively Slashdot discussion. Today, however, they say that they have been the victims of ‘sensor drift’ that led to an underestimation of Arctic ice extent by as much as 500,000 square kilometers. The problem was discovered after they received emails from puzzled readers, asking why obviously sea-ice-covered regions were showing up as ice-free, open ocean. It turns out that the NSIDC relies on an older, less-reliable method of tracking sea ice extent called SSM/I that does not agree with a newer method called AMSR-E. So why doesn’t NSIDC use the newer AMSR-E data? ‘We do not use AMSR-E data in our analysis because it is not consistent with our historical data.’ Turns out that the AMSR-E data only goes back to 2002, which is probably not long enough for the NSIDC to make sweeping conclusions about melting. The AMSR-E data is updated daily and is available to the public. Thus far, sea ice extent in 2009 is tracking ahead of 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008, so the predictions of an ice-free north pole might be premature.”

So, this may be scientific scandal #34 [or thereabouts]: using obviously bad/ corrupted / unaudited data.

[Sigh]

If you do a search, there are lots of hits. Here is just one, the one that the quote above came from: news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/19/0420255

Ya know, it’s really important to do “the science” correctly.

None of this “mixing apples and oranges” stuff.
 
I note that one of the biggest selling books in 1971 was an environmental shocker: The Coming Ice Age. And it was all scientific.
 
This reminds me of something George Carlin said about environmentalists.

Yeah, I know he a was a grouchy (though still funny) atheist. He still made a good point here:

He was talking about certain groups (particularly environmentalists) getting results and sympathy for their agenda by changing the definition of terms to make a certain thing more “soft.”

For example-------

“Nobody wants to save a Jungle—but if you call it a Rain Forest, everybody does.”

:Nobody wants to save a Swamp—but if you call it a Wetland, people do."

He ended his tirade with the injuction—“save us from many things, but please Save us from the Environmentalists!”

Food for thought----to me, very scary. :(:(😦

However----can we do it??? Why can’t we rename things to suit our concerns???

Should we even do that???
 
I pray for the soul of George Carlin all the time.

[welllll … not ALL the time … but from time to time. He knew and understood more about the Catholic Church than many/most Catholics. But “apparently” maybe never “connected the dots”.]

[And then there was a Jewish talk radio host many years ago who enjoyed quoting Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen: “When I get to heaven, there will be three surprises: There will be people there who I never expected to see there; there will be people NOT there who I was absolutely certain would be there; and, lastly, I will be surprised that I am there.”]

[So, maybe there is hope for George Carlin. Keep him in your prayers. His correct articulation of Catholic teaching in his books always impressed me in the most positive way.]
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
This reminds me of something George Carlin said about environmentalists.

Yeah, I know he a was a grouchy (though still funny) atheist. He still made a good point here:

He was talking about certain groups (particularly environmentalists) getting results and sympathy for their agenda by changing the definition of terms to make a certain thing more “soft.”

For example-------

“Nobody wants to save a Jungle—but if you call it a Rain Forest, everybody does.”

:Nobody wants to save a Swamp—but if you call it a Wetland, people do."

He ended his tirade with the injuction—“save us from many things, but please Save us from the Environmentalists!”

Food for thought----to me, very scary. :(:(😦

However----can we do it??? Why can’t we rename things to suit our concerns???

Should we even do that???
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The “softer” replacement words tend to be [more] polysyllabic … swamp versus wetland.

“terminate a pregnancy” versus “kill a baby”.

“green movement” versus “watermelon”.

anthropogenic global warming/climate change/global climate disruption versus normal climate.
 
Socialists are fond of using illogical naturalistic,mechanistic theories to justify their agenda. Never underestimate the ability for scientists to come up with a series of illogical natural “mechanisms” to connect supposed causes and effects. Ever hear the one about how a butterfly flapping its wings over China can cause tornados in the Western Hemisphere?
 
Monte_RCMS said:
I pray for the soul of George Carlin all the time.

[welllll … not ALL the time … but from time to time. He knew and understood more about the Catholic Church than many/most Catholics. But “apparently” maybe never “connected the dots”.]

[And then there was a Jewish talk radio host many years ago who enjoyed quoting Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen: “When I get to heaven, there will be three surprises: There will be people there who I never expected to see there; there will be people NOT there who I was absolutely certain would be there; and, lastly, I will be surprised that I am there.”]

[So, maybe there is hope for George Carlin. Keep him in your prayers. His correct articulation of Catholic teaching in his books always impressed me in the most positive way.]
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Absolutely pray for the Old Blasphemous Curmudgeon.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And even profane, blasphemous grouches sometimes make insightful comments about the Human Condition.

Would not be surpised if Carlin managed somehow to slip through the Keepers.

He will be disappointed, though, that he won’t be able to use his famous “7 dirty words you can’t say on television” anymore.

I’m sorry, but I can’t wrap my head around Carlin doin clean stand-up in Heaven. Let’s hope it does happen, though. Maybe that he at least manged to get to Purggatory. 👍
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Absolutely pray for the Old Blasphemous Curmudgeon.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And even profane, blasphemous grouches sometimes make insightful comments about the Human Condition.

Would not be surpised if Carlin managed somehow to slip through the Keepers.

He will be disappointed, though, that he won’t be able to use his famous “7 dirty words you can’t say on television” anymore.

I’m sorry, but I can’t wrap my head around Carlin doin clean stand-up in Heaven. Let’s hope it does happen, though. Maybe that he at least managed to get to Purgatory. 👍
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Monte_RCMS said:
The “softer” replacement words tend to be [more] polysyllabic … swamp versus wetland.

“terminate a pregnancy” versus “kill a baby”.

“green movement” versus “watermelon”.

anthropogenic global warming/climate change/global climate disruption versus normal climate.
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“Green Movement versus Watermelon.”

:confused::confused:

Okkkkkkkkk. But I get your point. Definitely…😉
 
Monte_RCMS said:
I pray for the soul of George Carlin all the time.

[welllll … not ALL the time … but from time to time. He knew and understood more about the Catholic Church than many/most Catholics. But “apparently” maybe never “connected the dots”.]

[And then there was a Jewish talk radio host many years ago who enjoyed quoting Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen: “When I get to heaven, there will be three surprises: There will be people there who I never expected to see there; there will be people NOT there who I was absolutely certain would be there; and, lastly, I will be surprised that I am there.”]

[So, maybe there is hope for George Carlin. Keep him in your prayers. His correct articulation of Catholic teaching in his books always impressed me in the most positive way.]
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Well, surprise, surprise, surprise! From the Wiki article: “Carlin was of Irish descent and was raised a Roman Catholic”.[27][28][29]

Let us pray that his heart was changed at the hour of his death. Amen.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
“Green Movement versus Watermelon.”

:confused::confused:

Okkkkkkkkk. But I get your point. Definitely…😉
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In Latin America, particularly in El Salvador, closet socialist/communists are called watermelons (Sandias), because they are green on the outside and red on the inside.
 
anthony022071 said:
Socialists are fond of using illogical naturalistic,mechanistic theories to justify their agenda. Never underestimate the ability for scientists to come up with a series of illogical natural “mechanisms” to connect supposed causes and effects. Ever hear the one about how a butterfly flapping its wings over China can cause tornados in the Western Hemisphere?
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Umm what? what scientist ever said that?
 
NotCrazyDan said:
Dude you have it wrong, man. For like thousands of years, we had lots of sod on the great plains, and then the farmers came in and busted it, and our side of the planet got lighter.

That’s why there’s less sod to keep the see saw man.
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WAIT ~ they built houses with that sod. They even called them “soddies”. So it’s not like it all went away, at least, not all at once!
 
Ridgerunner said:
What was it that Jeannine Garafalo (sp?) said before Desert Storm I, when she predicted the wholesale slaughter of Allied troops at the hands of Saddam’s army? We’re doomed! DOOMED!

She said it with a quavery voice, which I can’t duplicate in print, so understand it to be quavery, and applicable to the wobble we induced into the earth’s spin by the farmers’ having removed the sod.
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Still waiting for her to crawl through broken glass on her knees, like she promised.
 
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