Go ahead and raise your hands during the Our Father

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Newbie2 said:
This whole “raising hands is a Protestant thing” sounds a bit like ecclesial snobbery. I understand when it is brought up in an attempt to explain the origin of the practice, but when some posters put it down as “a Protestant thing”, it sounds a bit judgmental, similar to many posts in “that’s a Protestant hymn” threads.
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OK, I’m going to ask something kinda un-PC but I simply have to.

What is so good about Protestantism?
Why on earth would a Catholic want to look to Protestantism for an example?
Why is sticking to Catholic practice and theology snobbery?

I’m Catholic and I know why we pray the Mass the way we do and have no intention of apologising for that, or taking in protestant practice so we could get all ecumenical.
 
Contra_Mundum said:
OK, I’m going to ask something kinda un-PC but I simply have to.

What is so good about Protestantism?
Why on earth would a Catholic want to look to Protestantism for an example?
Why is sticking to Catholic practice and theology snobbery?

I’m Catholic and I know why we pray the Mass the way we do and have no intention of apologising for that, or taking in protestant practice so we could get all ecumenical.
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The Orans position is not a Protestant prayer posture. It is older than Christianity itself, and was frquently used by the early Christians. The early Christians were definitely not Protestant.

I can understand people not liking the position used in the Liturgy by the laity, but you should look into what you are objecting to before you label it “Protestant” and condemn it outright. Catholic priests use it in the Liturgy, how could it be Protestant? It is fine for private prayer, it is a position of supplication. The Church does not regulate one’s private prayer life and gestures.

Most people who use it during the Mass do not have it in their heads that they are in imitation of the priest. They use it because it is an ancient prayer position of supplication. Most people at Mass who do things that others like to complain about or ascribe less than charitable motives to are not duing it out of rebellion or some nefarious motive. Most people are doing the best they can with what they know and what they have been taught.
 
CB Catholic,

Of course, early Christians were not Protestants. But the mass developed in a certain way over the centuries and so the way we pray the Our Father. The priest prays in that position. However, the custom was definitely influenced by protestantism when it comes to laity. I agree that people do the best they can and it is a result of they way they were taught. Perhaps that is the problem. We need to educate Catholics on these matters so we can all do better. No need to take the protestant route.
 
TrueLight said:
The few times I have seen this done at OF masses, the folks look so awkward. It’s not the same as when I see it done at Protestant churches where the people do it very freely.

It’s as if a lion is wearing alligator skin.
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In the Philippines this has become standard fare where everyone would hold hands. And the amazing thing about it is we’re not a touchy culture. We don’t even like shaking someone else’s hands unlike Americans who would. Whether at the Sign of Peace or even in more formal secular meetings, people are reluctant to shake hands. We don’t hug people we are not related to. Yes we touch a stranger’s hands when its the Lord’s Prayer.
 
The only time I’m reluctent to raise my hands in the air for prayer at mass is when I’ve forgotten to put anti-perspirant on that morning :yukonjoe:

Vatican Guards:

:onpatrol: ''That smelly guy is in the pew again about to raise his hands for prayer, should I take him down?

:onpatrol: ‘‘Yes, better to be safe than sorry, if he raises his hands in His Holiness presence it could be detrimental to his health.’’
 
CB_Catholic said:
Most people who use it during the Mass do not have it in their heads that they are in imitation of the priest. They use it because it is an ancient prayer position of supplication.
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I’m going to disagree with you on this one. The vast majority of Catholics don’t really know why they even go to Mass on Sundays, or what Mass is. I’m even going to go out on a limb here and say they don’t even know that the position is the orans position. They do it because they see the priest do it. Not because “it is an ancient prayer position of supplication.”
 
Love_Divine said:
I’m going to disagree with you on this one. The vast majority of Catholics don’t really know why they even go to Mass on Sundays, or what Mass is. I’m even going to go out on a limb here and say they don’t even know that the position is the orans position. They do it because they see the priest do it. Not because “it is an ancient prayer position of supplication.”
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I think you are right. People are quite ignorant about faith these days. It is a moneky see, monkey do approach to things.
 
Contra_Mundum said:
I think you are right. People are quite ignorant about faith these days. It is a moneky see, monkey do approach to things.
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Now now!!! lets not turn this into another Darwin thread 😃

If that is the case though then we have been doing the monkey thing for centuries and we are all monkeys as every latin crosses themselves left to right and they got this from? the monkey see, monkey do approach where they copied the priest and it evolved into the left to right posture we have today. 🤷
 
ConstantineTG said:
In the Philippines this has become standard fare where everyone would hold hands. And the amazing thing about it is we’re not a touchy culture. We don’t even like shaking someone else’s hands unlike Americans who would. Whether at the Sign of Peace or even in more formal secular meetings, people are reluctant to shake hands. We don’t hug people we are not related to. Yes we touch a stranger’s hands when its the Lord’s Prayer.
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Aren’t Phillipines very charismatic as well? That would explain it.
 
ConstantineTG said:
In the Philippines this has become standard fare where everyone would hold hands. And the amazing thing about it is we’re not a touchy culture. We don’t even like shaking someone else’s hands unlike Americans who would. Whether at the Sign of Peace or even in more formal secular meetings, people are reluctant to shake hands. We don’t hug people we are not related to. Yes we touch a stranger’s hands when its the Lord’s Prayer.
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TrueLight said:
Aren’t Philippines very charismatic as well? That would explain it.
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Stephentlig said:
Now now!!! lets not turn this into another Darwin thread 😃

If that is the case though then we have been doing the monkey thing for centuries and we are all monkeys as every latin crosses themselves left to right and they got this from? the monkey see, monkey do approach where they copied the priest and it evolved into the left to right posture we have today. 🤷
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Perhaps there is a bad monkey and a good monkey example? 😃
 
Contra_Mundum said:
OK, I’m going to ask something kinda un-PC but I simply have to.

What is so good about Protestantism?
Why on earth would a Catholic want to look to Protestantism for an example?
Why is sticking to Catholic practice and theology snobbery?

I’m Catholic and I know why we pray the Mass the way we do and have no intention of apologising for that, or taking in protestant practice so we could get all ecumenical.
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There are some things that we could learn from Protestants…good things…such as charity. I’ve never heard a Protestant say “That’s a Catholic thing to do…therefore it’s bad” I can almost see the snear on the lip…

There are some very good and very sincere people that are Protestants…even if they have not found the fullness of faith. I don’t understand why we have to CONSTANTLY put them down…🤷
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
There are some things that we could learn from Protestants…good things…such as charity. I’ve never heard a Protestant say “That’s a Catholic thing to do…therefore it’s bad” I can almost see the snear on the lip…

There are some very good and very sincere people that are Protestants…even if they have not found the fullness of faith. I don’t understand why we have to CONSTANTLY put them down…🤷
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:amen:

My wife loves to read protestant books from women. But yes definitely we can learn from their example. I remember this one man moved in to our estate from London. He had cancer. I prayed to the Lord that he would take care of him and not have him be alone like that. To convert him to Christianity somehow. I opened the newspaper one day to learn that he died in the care of a very devout protestant woman who took him into her own home and he lived with her in his last dying days. She was given an award.

So the Lord works through all of us. There are certain acts of love that protestants perform that put us to shame. 😊
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
There are some things that we could learn from Protestants…good things…such as charity. I’ve never heard a Protestant say “That’s a Catholic thing to do…therefore it’s bad” I can almost see the snear on the lip…

There are some very good and very sincere people that are Protestants…even if they have not found the fullness of faith. I don’t understand why we have to CONSTANTLY put them down…🤷
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To say that a hymn or practice is Protestant-like is not putting them down. It’s stating a fact.

And to be quite honest, Protestants bad mouth the Church much more than we bad mouth them. I’m not trying to be holier-than-thou. It’s just the plain truth.
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
There are some things that we could learn from Protestants…good things…such as charity. I’ve never heard a Protestant say “That’s a Catholic thing to do…therefore it’s bad” I can almost see the snear on the lip…

There are some very good and very sincere people that are Protestants…even if they have not found the fullness of faith. I don’t understand why we have to CONSTANTLY put them down…🤷
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I don’t know about other people, but when I say that is a Protestant thing to do, I am not putting anyone down. All I’m saying is that it is something I am very familiar with in Evangelical Protestantism. And that Catholics should be Catholic. A Catholic mass mimicking Protestantism will only open the door for Catholics who are of that mindset to leave in droves for Protestant churches.

A Protestant-like mass, cannot compare to a Protestant service in the mind of people seeking that kind of thing.

Stay Catholic.
 
coolduude said:
To say that a hymn or practice is Protestant-like is not putting them down. It’s stating a fact.

And to be quite honest, Protestants bad mouth the Church much more than we bad mouth them. I’m not trying to be holier-than-thou. It’s just the plain truth.
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It’s true. I had a baptist first aid instructor who mocked and made fun of Catholics for making the sign of the cross as a way to teach us where to look for pacemakers.
 
I’m becoming weary of reading these liturgical posts because there are a handful of rebellious people here that are always stirring the pot: “Hey, it says such-and-such in the Bible, so let’s make up our own traditions.” It is a very Protestant attitude. May Jesus help us all to grow in humility and obedience.
 
Cavaille-Coll said:
I’m becoming weary of reading these liturgical posts because there are a handful of rebellious people here that are always stirring the pot: “Hey, it says such-and-such in the Bible, so let’s make up our own traditions.” It is a very Protestant attitude. May Jesus help us all to grow in humility and obedience.
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Exactly. The bible is not our liturgical handbook. Acting as if the bible is the only thing, and ignoring everything the church says is a very, very, very protestant attitude. That is exactly what the protestants did in the reformation, and still today.
 
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