God cannot explain the origin of life

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Bahman said:
John 3:35-36
“The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him”.
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Signpost… noone had to believe in the trinity until it was revealed…

Moses was a saint Moses did not believe in the trinity prior to his death.
 
You also miss that the CCC makes mention of the ignorant being able to achieve salvation…

Thesefore wesock’s explanation of Natural Theology… if you lived on an island raised in a cage the faith holds that minimal attributes of theology would be present and you could follow natural law and you would “know” God to a minimal extent, but nonetheless to an extent just enough that youhave the choice of good/evil…
 
You might be lacking some systematic ‘theology’. I can help you understand the origin of life, by simply explaining your own life and in relation to the Messianic life, in my orthodox standpoint.
 
LethalMouse said:
You also miss that the CCC makes mention of the ignorant being able to achieve salvation…

Thesefore wesock’s explanation of Natural Theology… if you lived on an island raised in a cage the faith holds that minimal attributes of theology would be present and you could follow natural law and you would “know” God to a minimal extent, but nonetheless to an extent just enough that youhave the choice of good/evil…
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But Christianity is not the last religion!
 
Anyway…

The trinity or not is not the subject nor the issue at hand of the thread which is my point. Your original post that spawned this line of conversation was suggesting that different sources say different things whereas I was suggesting they really dont in relation to the OP.

Christians
Jews
Muslims
Hindus
(And a bunch of lesser and even dead religions)

All agree on the nature of the intial creation of life from the original ever existing God. The only major religion that disagrees is Buddhism… but Buddhism is also largely questions rather than answers for one to “find” the truth. They adhere to the existence or at least possible existence of gods including God but disagree with His level of power. This COULD for speaking from a non bias position be the case OR it COULD be that Buddhism simply misinterpreted God’s being most notably by comparing Him to lesser “gods” of angelic or demonic origin. So simply put if a Buddhist met a pagan “god” who was actually a demon and said Buddhist was able to defeat said demon or by some other metric invalidate the demon’s claims of power… said Buddhist could sensibly infer that all gods were of this god’s nature and therefore mortal beings within our universe.
 
Bahman said:
But Christianity is not the last religion!
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That is a topic of secondary factors…

There is a reason I included [Muhammed] in my signposts post. While I don’t belueve him to be a “real” signpost I acknowledged him for the point of philosophizing and being fair in such. We cannot have a qualiy discourse if we cannot at least temporarily see varying perspectives.

Islam teaches people are given a chance to convert… I do not know the specifics, but I gether if they are not doomed to instant death by the quran it is because ignorance is excused to a similar degree 😛
 
And to be clear, the intent of natural theology is NOT to syncretize religions, to bring us all under one roof, so to speak. It is not an attempt to talk about salvation for all. We have real dogmatic differences in our creeds, important differences. There is no proposal here to do away with creeds and make one world religion.

However, while there remain important theological differences, there is significant philosophical agreement in other areas (if you’ll allow me to separate the theological and philosophical for the sake of discussion).

Anyway, I think that satisfactorily closes this tangent discussion for me.
 
Bahman said:
But Christianity is not the last religion!
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And most of it is semantics… so let’s assume for a moment every prophet was “right”…

So if Jews ALL followed Jesus what would Christians be called? Dun dun dun Jews

If Christian Jews all followed Muhammed what would Muslims be called??? Dun dun dun… Jews…

If no one “broke away” etc… if no one ever ever broke away after Adam and Eve’s fall we would not even need “words” for religions because “human” would be synonymous with the only religion.
 
rossum said:
It is your authority, so I use it here. You would not agree with the description of your God in Buddhist scriptures, which would divert the discussion.

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So if you want to use our authority then lets see what God says about Himself instead of what men say about God.

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’”

God states that He Is. Not that He lives but that He Is. This is a statement of “Being” not of life which He creates.
 
LethalMouse said:
Christians
Jews
Muslims
Hindus
(And a bunch of lesser and even dead religions)

All agree on the nature of the intial creation of life from the original ever existing God. e.
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Where does Judaism say that life could not arise naturally without special divine intervention?
 
Aloysium said:
What is Genesis? Alex.
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In Genesis, God created. There is nothing about the possibility of the existence of another creating entity. Is it possible that other creations could have happened by another entity?
Is dual creation possible?
 
magnet said:
In Genesis, God created. There is nothing about the possibility of the existence of another creating entity. Is it possible that other creations could have happened by another entity?
Is dual creation possible?
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You can go back as far as you like, the first creator is, by the definition of this discussion, GOD. We are not talking about multiple First Causes, we are taking about the possibility of THE first cause, or not. Why are you trying to muddy up the topic?
 
magnet said:
In Genesis, God created. There is nothing about the possibility of the existence of another creating entity. Is it possible that other creations could have happened by another entity?
Is dual creation possible?
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Generally Jewish and Catholic scholars both say God could have created the big bang… idk what else you mean… more gods a creating? Angels sent to do finishing touches? No matter what if God even created a Bob the builder to create everything for Him then god still created everything…

Oh and Islam is generally cool with the BBT
 
LethalMouse said:
Generally Jewish and Catholic scholars both say God could have created the big bang… idk what else you mean… more gods a creating? Angels sent to do finishing touches? No matter what if God even created a Bob the builder to create everything for Him then god still created everything…

Oh and Islam is generally cool with the BBT
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It is also possible that another entity could have created the big bang. Since scripture says nothing about this, then saying God could have created it does not rule out the possibility of alternative creators.
 
magnet said:
It is also possible that another entity could have created the big bang. Since scripture says nothing about this, then saying God could have created it does not rule out the possibility of alternative creators.
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What does that have to do with the thread though?
  1. Most pro science christians say God created the universe and therefore created a universe that could bring forth life.
  2. The OP is stating that life can not be the root cause of life and the OP considers God under the umbrella of that life.
  3. If as you suppose God created a Bob the Builder you would still be against the OP as Bob the Builder would both be life created by “life” and then all life created by Bob the Builder would be created by even more lifey life than what we suppose…
So you have literally introduced a new arguement that doesn’t agree with anyone or really for that matter disagree because you are so in the middle you are basically asking if my parents could have made me… yeah, but it is derivative and literally does not address the origin (first cause) arguement at all.
 
magnet said:
In Genesis, God created. There is nothing about the possibility of the existence of another creating entity. Is it possible that other creations could have happened by another entity?
Is dual creation possible?
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Let’s talk about this hypothetical “another creating entity”.

Are you talking about another entity which was created by God, who then might be able to create other things? (If so, then there’s nothing to see here – any creation created by him could be considered to be ‘indirectly’ created by God.)

On the other hand, are you talking about another entity which was not created by God? That is, that there are more than one uncreated entity? (If so, then that presents a different problem: if this is your contention, then are you suggesting that the ‘other’ creating entity created something independently of God? If you are, then we’d want to see evidence of that, wouldn’t we? If you aren’t, then it’d be a stretch to call it a ‘creating entity’ if it hasn’t created!)

So, no matter how you slice it, positing ‘another creating entity’ poses more problems than it solves. 😉
 
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