God knows what will happen in the future, correct?

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Bookcat said:
God is God.

And yes God creates all that is -and yes there is no time prior to time - time is created with creation.

You still trying to make God a creature. To look from the perspective of God - *as if God is a creature! *

Such is like a chicken trying to look from my perspective - as if if I were a chicken. But that is a very very removed very pale analogy.

God transcends all of creation.

God is more unlike creation - than God is like creation.

God is God.
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That was you who were telling me that I can understand the very concept if I spend time. Now you are telling me that God is God.
 
Bahman said:
That was you who were telling me that I can understand the very concept if I spend time. Now you are telling me that God is God.
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Yes and I still do.

Reread that post.

It is about your line of thinking…

If someone wishes to learn to drive a car one has to accept that his bicycle is not a car and start looking into cars. If he keeps trying to think of his car as if it was a bicycle he is going to drive himself crazy trying to find the peddles.
 
Bookcat said:
Yes and I still do.

Reread that post.

It is about your line of thinking…

If someone wishes to learn to drive a car one has to accept that his bicycle is not a car and start looking into cars. If he keeps trying to think of his car as if it was a bicycle he is going to drive himself crazy trying to find the peddles.
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Can we imagine the concept of timeless God?
 
Bahman said:
Can we imagine the concept of timeless God?
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We can reason about God -about the nature of God.

Not sure how much we can with our finite minds “imagine”

Part of that reasoning is knowing our limitations and that God is more unlike creation than like it.

(I do not use the term “timeless God”…)
 
Bahman said:
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Reread that post.

It is about your line of thinking…

If someone wishes to learn to drive a car one has to accept that his bicycle is not a car and start looking into cars.

If he keeps trying to think of his car as if it was a bicycle he is going to drive himself crazy trying to find the peddles.
 
Bahman said:
How about time? Is time a part of creation as well? How anything can have a dynamic, very concept of creation including time, when the dynamic itself is determined by time?
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In reading through this thread, I am not sure of your position or objection or what. If by fatalism you mean that God has a knowledge that knows what free decisions man will make, then what? Are you saying that notion is wrong?
 
Bookcat said:
We can reason about God -about the nature of God.

Not sure how much we can with our finite minds “imagine”.

Part of that reasoning is knowing our limitations and that God is more unlike creation than like it.
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I can define that for you and then we can engage to an discussion afterward. Timeless God means that everything is present to him and there is no change in what is present. Can we agree on this definition?
 
Bahman said:
I can define that for you and then we can engage to an discussion afterward. Timeless God means that everything is present to him and there is no change in what is present. Can we agree on this definition?
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No. 🙂

(refer to the various posts of mine above)
 
MarcoPolo said:
In reading through this thread, I am not sure of your position or objection or what. If by fatalism you mean that God has a knowledge that knows what free decisions man will make, then what? Are you saying that notion is wrong?
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The discussion that you are referring to deviate from OP. What I am arguing on what you are quoted is that time cannot be created since the very act of creation requires change/time.

What you are arguing is related to OP. To answer that we have to agree that God is changeless hence his knowledge. God is free to create but the content of creation is what God knows and what we do freely but we follow our fates. I was asking whether is possible that God could create another universe that we have different fates? What is your answer to this?
 
Bahman said:
Then you don’t understand the very core consequence of your belief. God foresees your future. How you could possibly change it?
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Perhaps God knows the end result of every possible decision you can ever make and how one path can lead you towards Heaven and which may lead you towards Hell.
 
roseproject said:
Perhaps God knows the end result of every possible decision you can ever make and how one path can lead you towards Heaven and which may lead you towards Hell.
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Well, that is correct but that is not going to help us since we have fate anyway.
 
Can we assume that there is someone living today that will eventually be cast into the lake of fire by the supreme being or one of His staff?
 
rstrats said:
Can we assume that there is someone living today that will eventually be cast into the lake of fire by the supreme being or one of His staff?
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It is reasonable to assume that someone living today will freely choose the self-exclusion of hell.

We though do not know who may or may not make that choice.

We hope that all will respond to grace and come to know* true lif*e in Jesus of Nazareth who loves us and who came that we might have life.

Even if they do not hear his name…but receive grace ways we do not see or understand…through him.

We hope and desire this.
 
Bookcat,
re: “It is reasonable to assume that someone living today will freely choose the self-exclusion of hell.”

Does the supreme being have any (name removed by moderator)ut into the creation of that person, and if so, does He know before He creates that person that He will eventually be casting that person into the lake of fire?

BTW, shouldn’t that be self-inclusion of going to ‘hell’ (actually, the lake of fire) and not self-exclusion?
 
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