God knows what will happen in the future, correct?

[Bahman]

For humans in the physical world, but in the Eternal world there is no time. In this world we all will die to this world in time, Maybe today, 50 years from now. etc. In the Eternal world there is no time. This world ends, the next world is everlasting.

Let me try this way. This was a Joke

A person said to God, is it true that a second to you is a million years to me. The answer was yes. So the person said you taught ask and you will receive. Is this true. God said yes.

So the person said to God give me a million dollars. God said okay in a second.

This is a Joke about God talking to himself:

First: I want to create universe
Second: I need time otherwise everything would be freeze
Third: I need time to create time since time doesn’t exist
Forth: That is infinite regress hence I cannot create

 

[Partinobodycula]

In the Eternal world there is no time. This world ends, the next world is everlasting.

Just to clarify, neither the term eternal, nor the term everlasting, connotes the absence of time.

 

[rinnie]

Just to clarify, neither the term eternal, nor the term everlasting, connotes the absence of time.

We are taught that we will enter heaven at the end of time. Time will end as we know it. God is not subject to time.

 

[rinnie]

How about time? Is time a part of creation as well? How anything can have a dynamic, very concept of creation including time, when the dynamic itself is determined by time?

God is outside of time. He always was, Is, and always will be.

 

[Aloysium]

. . . How do you define “time”?

Everyone knows what time is, but what is it? Good point.

In terms of human existence, we have a present a past and a future.
I think this is an interesting structure.
I see it as being in the nature of the human soul.
We are becoming either God-like or demonic in each moment through our actions.
This is a journey with many paths - the central one leading to God is the reality of Jesus Christ.
We grow in Christ.
That is time in human terms becoming more or less loving beings, right here right now - eternity meeting time, ourselves in relation to God.
Something like that.

 

[rstrats]

Aloysium,
re: “In terms of human existence, we have a present a past and a future.”

So you’re definition of time is present, past and future?

BTW, how long does the present last before it becomes the past?

 

[onenow1]

Aloysium,
re: “In terms of human existence, we have a present a past and a future.”

So you’re definition of time is present, past and future?

BTW, how long does the present last before it becomes the past?

Technically I would say time is a concept that God created for the use of man kind; God is spirit time is not relevant . Debating as if we are equal to God in wisdom defeats the reality of God. No one here knows Gods mind. What we do know is His purpose for us to be with Him in a place or existence unknown to us. There is a verse where Jesus actually says how long must I be here, this is not an exact quote but very close.

God Bless

Where did the time go when I woke up this morning; I had a dream a nice one the only thing I recall is movement time was meaningless…

 

[Bookcat]

How about time?

Yes. Time too.

God is not in “some kind of time” that comes before created time.

God is God.

 

[Gorgias]

You mean that you create your fate? How you could create something which is fixed at any moment?

It is not fixed at every moment, or even at any moment (prior to occurrence). I create my present as it occurs. ‘Fate’ is an illogical construct.

 

[Aloysium]

Aloysium,
re: “In terms of human existence, we have a present a past and a future.”

So you’re definition of time is present, past and future?

BTW, how long does the present last before it becomes the past?

No, it’s not. Time is a mystery; I was attempting to relate something of its purpose.

Let’s start with:
Where time is intersected by eternity, you get a past, present and future.

Centred on our eternal soul, the present is always the present, the past is always the past, the future is always the future.
Everything happens in the moment which is in a state of ongoing transformation.

While in this world we are aging, initially growing, but then progressively undergoing corruption,
in terms of the soul, we are transformed by our acts, becoming more or alternatively less loving.
There is a goal to this transformational process, that of becoming Christ-like as we progress along the Way.
We are eternal beings on a journey through time that will bring us back to the Centre of each and all moments, from which creation is brought into being.

I will leave it at that for now.

 

[Bahman]

God is outside of time. He always was, Is, and always will be.

That doesn’t resolve the problem. God is creator by definition. You need time in order to create since the act creation is related to a change of absence to presence. This means that you need to create time first which is logically impossible since you need to time to create anything.

 

[Bahman]

Yes. Time too.

God is not in “some kind of time” that comes before created time.

God is God.

The very concept of creation is related to a change, absence to presence. This means that you need time for this change. Yet God is in state of timeless meaning that he should create time first which is problematic since you need time to create anything. So the act creation in timeless state seems impossible.

 

[rinnie]

That doesn’t resolve the problem. God is creator by definition. You need time in order to create since the act creation is related to a change of absence to presence. This means that you need to create time first which is logically impossible since you need to time to create anything.

That is once again where you seem to be misled. You are speaking of human understanding of time. What you seem to not understand no matter what we tell you is there is no time for God.

There is No time. He always WAS, always IS, and always WILL BE. It is above you intelligence of understanding. So how could any human sit here and explain to you that God is TIMELESS, when your level of understanding is it is logically impossible, because in your mind you need time to create anything.

There is nothing we can say but this. God creates everything. Time is something that was created for the human intelligence that came from God. If God did not want time to be a word or thought it would never exist in the human mind.

I will say this once more and then it is TIME for me to move on. No human mind will ever be able to define the mind of the DIVINE. Never. You are living proof of this.

Where is it said that God ever claimed to be logical to the human mind? Where was it ever taught or revealed by anyone that God revealed everything, or told us everything to completely understand the mind of the Divine. He has not.

He told us what we needed to know, and told us that much will be revealed WHEN he reveals it, and WHEN we are ready to hear it. Another words, even if he came here right now and revealed the Divine to you, your Human mind could not understand it.

You give an infant milk, then baby food, then you progress with harder food. Until you begin with infant milk, you cannot even begin to understand solid food.

Again read what you wrote, YOU NEED TIME, yes as a human I do need time to create, etc, but we are not talking of me, or you, we are talking of God who NEEDS nothing.

 

[rinnie]

The very concept of creation is related to a change, absence to presence. This means that you need time for this change. Yet God is in state of timeless meaning that he should create time first which is problematic since you need time to create anything. So the act creation in timeless state seems impossible.

Correct. YOU need time to create anything. But who are you to say what GOD needs. Where is your authority to speak on what God need? You have none, so you cannot speak for the him.

Where was it ever stated Human created God? It never was. It was stated GOD created humans. God created time, God created heaven and earth. God created everything, as hard as it is for you to accept, YES, even TIme itself.

 

[Bahman]

That is once again where you seem to be misled. You are speaking of human understanding of time. What you seem to not understand no matter what we tell you is there is no time for God.

I think that is you who is misled. My position is very clear which I can summarize in the following: To create you need time hence either time is a part of creation or not. If time is not part of creation and it is elementary then the very concept of timeless God is meaningless. On the other hand if time is a part of creation then God need to create it which is paradoxical since you need time to create anything.

There is No time. He always WAS, always IS, and always WILL BE. It is above you intelligence of understanding. So how could any human sit here and explain to you that God is TIMELESS, when your level of understanding is it is logically impossible, because in your mind you need time to create anything.

You are not making an argument here.

There is nothing we can say but this. God creates everything. Time is something that was created for the human intelligence that came from God. If God did not want time to be a word or thought it would never exist in the human mind.

We already argue that you need time to create anything hence creating time is paradoxical.

I will say this once more and then it is TIME for me to move on. No human mind will ever be able to define the mind of the DIVINE. Never. You are living proof of this.

Why you then bother in a philosophical forum to offer any argument if you believe so. The very concept of timeless God is definable but not defendable for the very reason that creating time is paradoxical. So you either have to resolve the paradox or give up the very concept of timeless God.

Where is it said that God ever claimed to be logical to the human mind? Where was it ever taught or revealed by anyone that God revealed everything, or told us everything to completely understand the mind of the Divine. He has not.

Then why you try to define the God then. All I am saying is that the very concept of timeless God is problematic.

He told us what we needed to know, and told us that much will be revealed WHEN he reveals it, and WHEN we are ready to hear it. Another words, even if he came here right now and revealed the Divine to you, your Human mind could not understand it.

What you are saying here is full of contradictions. Either we can understand or cannot. In former case we can put an effort to understand the situation and in the later case revelation in meaningless.

You give an infant milk, then baby food, then you progress with harder food. Until you begin with infant milk, you cannot even begin to understand solid food.

That is all good.

Again read what you wrote, YOU NEED TIME, yes as a human I do need time to create, etc, but we are not talking of me, or you, we are talking of God who NEEDS nothing.

Your very definition of God is meaningless: “God does not need anything to create”. I can define God as a being who can lift a stone which cannot be lifted. Etc.

 

[rstrats]

Aloysium,
re: “No, it’s not…Time is a mysteryI will leave it at that for now.”

OK, I’ll wait until you’re able to give your definition of “time” with regard to your use of the word.

 

[Bahman]

Correct. YOU need time to create anything. But who are you to say what GOD needs. Where is your authority to speak on what God need? You have none, so you cannot speak for the him.

Authority? This is an open forum for exchanging ideas. You can define God and I can argue that your very definition is wrong.

Where was it ever stated Human created God? It never was. It was stated GOD created humans. God created time, God created heaven and earth. God created everything, as hard as it is for you to accept, YES, even TIme itself.

It is illogical to accept that time can be created. It is like to say that can God could create a stone which he cannot lift. Something which is illogical is impossible.

 

[Aloysium]

Aloysium,
re: “No, it’s not…Time is a mysteryI will leave it at that for now.”

OK, I’ll wait until you’re able to give your definition of “time” with regard to your use of the word.

I think what I said was pretty clear.
To define time reduces its reality to an idea that cannot not fully appreciate its nature.
There is change.
Things come into and out of being.
It is a function of the mind and senses such that an hour in a nice restaurant can be experienced as shorter than half that in a macdonalds.
Music stretches it out, breaks It up.
Scientifically we create the notion by comparing the duration of events to others which are cyclical and predicable.
It is aspect of our nature as participants in the physical universe - creation.
God exists eternally, unchanging. We are created in His image in that we exist in our finite now.
It is right here and now that we exist in relation to God.

 

[Bookcat]

The very concept of creation is related to a change, absence to presence. This means that you need time for this change.

Within creation - once creation has begun. Sure.

Time begins with creation - part of creation.

 

[Bahman]

Within creation - once creation has begun. Sure.

Time begins with creation - part of creation.

But you need time for the very act of creation. This is the part that I would like to stress since the very act creation is related to a change in state of existence, absence to presence. Hence we are dealing with a paradox here, since you need time to create time.