Well, you then accept the very concept of fate since what you do depends on creation. Don’t you? Lets say that God could create a universe that everybody goes to hell or in another universe everybody goes to heaven. It is up to God. God have one option but once it is done our destiny is determined.
If we truly have free will, then in the act of creation, God would have no way of knowing which universe He was creating, because the choice would be up to us. But it appears as though He did know, because He created Christ.
I don’t quite understand your argument. You start with the fact that God could not know our decision if we truly have free will. Then you state that God knows our choices so I don’t know how to continue my argument with you.
I’m simply pointing out that there appears to be a contradiction. If we have free will, then God had no way of knowing which universe He was creating. On the other hand, it appears as though He did know which universe He was creating, therefore we must not have free will.
Neither, your tenses are off. He knows. Maybe one way to look at it is in how the angels fell. Lucifer instantly denied God. God creates him and he refuses. It is the same with us. He creates us and we may refuse His love, over something we experience as time. He creates time. It is a mystery, it should be remembered. The human mind barely gets a glimpse of the magnitude and nature of God.
That is a possible scenario. We can also create our own destiny.
How could it make a difference?
Could you please elaborate?
Whether or not my tenses are off makes no difference. Yes God knows what we chose. But if we have free will, then we could have chosen otherwise. Adam and Eve could have chosen not to disobey. They didn’t, but they could have. Therefore the universe is the way it is because we chose to make it so, not because God chose to make it so. We have free will.
Sure, what is the difference is God has the knowledge of how you use to choose your life and how you choose to live it? What does it change if he knows or does not know. It is the same result.
Needless to say that Satan was there. That make the whole situation very specious.
Sure but we were warned! And so were Adam and Eve. God told them point blank, don’t do it. Eve herself said God told us not to. She had free will to obey God, or try to become a god herself. She failed of course.Needless to say that Satan was there. That make the whole situation very specious.
That I quite understand. What I don’t understand is that the very act of creation knowing what each individual perform has to be unique hence expecting that God had the power to create anything different is quite illogical because it is up to individuals not God. In simple word it is in power of individuals to create their own destiny. God however needs to have the ability to guess each individual act otherwise he could not sustain creation. Yet no one exists before the act creation which makes guessing the act of individual logically impossible unless we call omniscience the knowledge of what does not exist which is very necessary because the only act of God is impossible. The whole story is quite illogical. I don’t know how to explain it better than this.
You need to find a way, because what you are saying does not make sense.
Hence we are puppet.God can do whatever He wants, He is the Manager.
God Bless
This is basically your system of belief not mine. Do you have any problem with it?
This is a very serious game. The stakes are very high, and the possibilities include limitless joy for most and infinite horror, for some. It is all about Love. It is truly spectacular that we experience happiness and tears. I have no idea how people cannot see this “trip” as totally AWESOME!! Of course He made it this way - Heaven, Hell. We get to choose, to become Christ-like into Heaven or to create hell by following Satan - who is hell. Wow!!!
Pinocchio?