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jmcrae
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Right after this, He signifies Simon’s importance by giving him the name “Peter” which means “Rock”.
“Thee” is the singular form of “you.” One can never say “thee” to more than one person.
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jmcrae
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Indirectly, the Scriptures were written by God in that He inspired their sacred authors, and He protected them from ever writing anything that was not actually true. Thus, the Scriptures are divinely inspired, and inerrant.
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Robert902
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What are the keys of the kingdom of heaven? Where they given only to Simon Peter? No, Jesus gives them to those who make the same confession made by Peter, those who know Christ as saviour.
The keys were the badge of authority of the office of the scribes, who interpreted the Scriptures to the people (see Neh. 8:2-8). Every Christian today has the Scriptures and, therefore the keys. If we withold the Word, we “bind on earth”; if we give the Word, we “loose on earth”. No man or individual church has the keys-to the exclusion of all other believers If you are a child of God, you have the keys as well as any person (of God) has the keys.
God Bless,
Robert
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Mannyfit75
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Actually he gave them to Peter online.
“That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”
Jesus address Peter, singular. After the resurrection, Jesus gave the same authority to the Apostles when he breathed on them, but note no keys was given onto them. Peter does not have the key physically. The Key which Jesus spoke of out of Matthew 16:18-20… is the symbol of authority.
The Church alone guided by the Holy Spirit has this authority to bind and loose concerning moral and faith. The Pope in union with the bishops.
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Robert902
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Jesus’ first words to Simon Peter were “come follow Me”(Mark 1:17). His last words to him were “You must follow Me”(John 21:22). Jesus is the head of the church, and we are all (including Peter) to follow Him. How can there be two heads of the church?
By giving Simon a new name, Jesus introduced a change in character.
Cephas in Aramaic, Peter in Greek (the name means “a rock”).
God Bless,
Robert
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Valke2
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And what is your support for this? I mean, is there scriptual support for the belief that the Gospels were Divinely inspired?
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Yerusalyim
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Divine inspiration is part of the definition of scripture…if you accept the gospels as scritpure, then you accept that they are divinely inspired.
If you don’t belive in divine inspiration, you won’t view the gospels as anything more than an hisotrical curiosity.
If you don’t belive in divine inspiration, you won’t view the gospels as anything more than an hisotrical curiosity.
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fellowChristian
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2 Timothy 3:16
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All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
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All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
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All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
Is this what your looking for? Hope this helps.
NIV
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
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All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
Is this what your looking for? Hope this helps.
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fellowChristian
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Are there really any non-Catholics in the thread? Or are you all “practicing your apologetics?”
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water
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Hi and welcome, fellowChristian.Are there really any non-Catholics in the thread? Or are you all “practicing your apologetics?”
You might want to view their profiles to see if they are non-Catholics. I haven’t seen any thread where they are practicing their apologetics.
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believers
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I did not leave out verses. The verses I quoted lead up to point where Peter speaks up. Your religion has twisted scripture to say the Jesus was speaking to Peter alone. The point is you left out those verses leading up to Peter speaking up from the crowd.
We can go thru all the verses again. This time you show me where Peter was alone with Jesus.
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believers
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You are wrong. period.
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believers
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No I didn’t. And I’m sure you like to convince everyone that I did. I only listed the verses that were left out by adrift. I was showing that Jesus was speaking to everyone not just Peter. Not you or your religion can prove that Jesus and Peter were alone. You’ve changed the Word of God to fit your religion.
The Holy Spirit made it clear. Peter is Petros and Jesus is Petra.
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wjw123
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Not you or your religion can prove that Jesus and Peter were alone.
Can you prove that Jesus was not speaking to Peter?
It’s sad that we have to argue, since we are all family.
Our Catholic religion was establish by Jesus himself.
I wonder how you know the word of God written in the Bible and still not believe. Look at the history the early Church. Seek the truth, brother.
May God bless you.
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adrift
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Le me give an example.
There is a crowd at a house and the host says
Hey everyone will you get a chair and take it outside.
Hey adrift will you get a chair and take it outside.
My point? Just because there is a group does not mean that your are speaking to the entire group. Jesus did not need to pull Peter aside to be speaking only to him. He addressed only him. Yes you left out the scripture that pointed this out.
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holy_wood
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I am an 18 yo highschool and even I do not dare question the authority of HOLY MOTHER CHURCH.
Believer you look to no one other than your own mind( your own fallible mind) for the true meaning of scripture. WHAT ARROGANCE
We are told in 1 Thess. 5:12-13 TO OBEY those “men” who our over us.
And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, 13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
These men were not self-appointed.2 Cor. 2:17
For we are not, as so many,[a] peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.
Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.
Acts 9:17-19 - even Paul, who was directly chosen by Christ, only becomes a minister after the laying on of hands by a bishop.
Acts 13:3 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination).
Acts 14:23 - the apostles and newly-ordained men appointed elders to have authority throughout the Church.
2 Cor. 1:21-22 - Paul writes that God has commissioned certain men and sealed them with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee.
Col 1:25 - Paul calls his position a divine “office.” An office has successors. It does not terminate at death. Or it’s not an office. See also Heb. 7:23 – an office continues with another successor after the previous office-holder’s death.
1 Tim. 3:1 - Paul uses the word “episcopoi” (bishop) which requires an office. Everyone understood that Paul’s use of episcopoi and office meant it would carry on after his death by those who would succeed him.
1 Tim. 4:14 - again, apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination).
1 Tim. 5:22 - Paul urges Timothy to be careful in laying on the hands (ordaining others). The gift of authority is a reality and cannot be used indiscriminately.
2 Tim. 4:1-6 - at end of Paul’s life, Paul charges Timothy with the office of his ministry . We must trace true apostolic lineage back to a Catholic bishop.
Titus 1:5; Luke 10:1 - the elders of the Church are appointed and hold authority. God has His children participate in Christ’s work.
1 John 4:6 - whoever knows God listens to us (the bishops and the successors to the apostles). This is the way we discern truth and error (not just by reading the Bible and interpreting it for ourselves).
Exodus 18:25-26 - Moses appoints various heads over the people of God. We see a hierarchy, a transfer of authority and succession.
Exodus 40:15 - the physical anointing shows that God intended a perpetual priesthood with an **identifiable **unbroken succession.
Numbers 16:40 - shows God’s intention of unbroken succession within His kingdom on earth. Unless a priest was ordained by Aaron and his descendants,** he had no authority. **
Deut. 34:9 - Moses laid hands upon Joshua, and because of this, Joshua was obeyed as successor, full of the spirit of wisdom.
“First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Peter 1:20-21).
Unless you can show me an unbroken line of succession in your church YOU MUST SUBMIT TO OURS.
I WOULD NOT BELIEVE ONE WORD OF THE BIBLE IF IT WERE NOT FOR HOLY MOTHER CHURCH.
GOD INSPIRED IT, MAN RECORDED IT, THE CHURCH PROTECTS IT FROM THOSE WHO TWIST IT TO THERE OWN DESTRUCTION 2 Peter 3:16
Believer you look to no one other than your own mind( your own fallible mind) for the true meaning of scripture. WHAT ARROGANCE
We are told in 1 Thess. 5:12-13 TO OBEY those “men” who our over us.
And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, 13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
These men were not self-appointed.2 Cor. 2:17
For we are not, as so many,[a] peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.
- Paul says the elders are not just random peddlers of God’s word. They are actually commissioned by God. It is not self-appointed authority. ( as your pastor is). They were appointed by the apostles(who were appointed by God). These men had the same authority as them.–Acts 1:24-26
“You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.
Acts 9:17-19 - even Paul, who was directly chosen by Christ, only becomes a minister after the laying on of hands by a bishop.
Acts 13:3 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination).
Acts 14:23 - the apostles and newly-ordained men appointed elders to have authority throughout the Church.
2 Cor. 1:21-22 - Paul writes that God has commissioned certain men and sealed them with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee.
Col 1:25 - Paul calls his position a divine “office.” An office has successors. It does not terminate at death. Or it’s not an office. See also Heb. 7:23 – an office continues with another successor after the previous office-holder’s death.
1 Tim. 3:1 - Paul uses the word “episcopoi” (bishop) which requires an office. Everyone understood that Paul’s use of episcopoi and office meant it would carry on after his death by those who would succeed him.
1 Tim. 4:14 - again, apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination).
1 Tim. 5:22 - Paul urges Timothy to be careful in laying on the hands (ordaining others). The gift of authority is a reality and cannot be used indiscriminately.
2 Tim. 4:1-6 - at end of Paul’s life, Paul charges Timothy with the office of his ministry . We must trace true apostolic lineage back to a Catholic bishop.
Titus 1:5; Luke 10:1 - the elders of the Church are appointed and hold authority. God has His children participate in Christ’s work.
1 John 4:6 - whoever knows God listens to us (the bishops and the successors to the apostles). This is the way we discern truth and error (not just by reading the Bible and interpreting it for ourselves).
Exodus 18:25-26 - Moses appoints various heads over the people of God. We see a hierarchy, a transfer of authority and succession.
Exodus 40:15 - the physical anointing shows that God intended a perpetual priesthood with an **identifiable **unbroken succession.
Numbers 16:40 - shows God’s intention of unbroken succession within His kingdom on earth. Unless a priest was ordained by Aaron and his descendants,** he had no authority. **
Deut. 34:9 - Moses laid hands upon Joshua, and because of this, Joshua was obeyed as successor, full of the spirit of wisdom.
“First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Peter 1:20-21).
Unless you can show me an unbroken line of succession in your church YOU MUST SUBMIT TO OURS.
I WOULD NOT BELIEVE ONE WORD OF THE BIBLE IF IT WERE NOT FOR HOLY MOTHER CHURCH.
GOD INSPIRED IT, MAN RECORDED IT, THE CHURCH PROTECTS IT FROM THOSE WHO TWIST IT TO THERE OWN DESTRUCTION 2 Peter 3:16
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jmcrae
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I believe the Scriptures, and I believe in their divine inspiration because I believe the Church that gave them to me and which tells me that they are divinely inspired. If one does not believe the Church, then one has no reason to believe the Scriptures.
The Church gives us several documents in support of these teachings. I would suggest starting with Dei Verbum, and then follow the footnotes to the rest of the documents.
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believers
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You can stop smiling now.Right after this, He signifies Simon’s importance by giving him the name “Peter” which means “Rock”.
“Thee” is the singular form of “you.” One can never say “thee” to more than one person.
Let’s just go to the Greek to settle this… The Greek word used is spelled http://www.blueletterbible.org/bg/gs163.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/bg/gs165.gif It is the same word used in Mat 16:19 and also in Rev 2:20 when referring to the church.
The 12 disciples were considered the church and Jesus was speaking to them.
Here… “thee” refers to the “church in Thyatira”
Rev 2:20
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee(http://www.blueletterbible.org/bg/gs163.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/bg/gs165.gif), because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Mat 16:19
And I will give unto thee(http://www.blueletterbible.org/bg/gs163.gifhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/bg/gs165.gif) the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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jmcrae
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If you read the whole section, it’s obvious that Jesus is speaking to Peter, even in modern translations that use “you” instead of “thee.” 
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