Goodbye, St. Louis: Holy Father Tabs Archbishop Burke as Prefect of Apostolic Signatura

[tmaconway]

Breaking news - a reasonably factual article from the St. Louis
Post Disgrace.
stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/religion/story/FDD5368B08186996862574760015D573?OpenDocument

Too bad they lead it with a picture of the
to “womenpriests”. Other than that, it spells out the major
events of Abp. Burke’s tenure quite well.
He was a wonderful Shepard for the diocese. It’s too bad that
so many people have mistaken his steadfastness in upholding
the teachings of the Church as being uncaring. The truth is
not determined by a vote of what is fashionable.

 

[mamacita]

That’s what a lot of his detractors say. He came to St. Louis to clean up a mess. And he did an excellent job. His detractors were loud, vocal, and uncharitable. Read some of the blogs the STLTODAY.COM comparing him to Hitler. We are having to expand the Seminary because enrollment has doubles since he came here. NINE (9) priests were ordained this year. A few years ago, it was 1 or none.

The St Louis Post Dispatch calls him “controversial.” He is anythig but. What was controversial was the inordinatle number of heresies that cropped up during his tenure. Two women attempting “ordaination” in a Synogogue. A church, St Stanislas Kostka Polish, run by a lay board, refused to comply with Archdiocesan guidelines, **hired **a homosexual priest, Marek Bozek, from another diocese without the permission of the bishop of that diocese (who by the way mentored him in the US due to his ousting from a Polish seminary). Fr Bozek participated in this Womenpriest “ordination.” He advocates open communionn to active homosexuals, nonCatholics, and divorced and remarried Catholics, not annulled. Vocal proponant of embryonic stem cell reasearch supporter Sheryl Crowe hired for a Catholic hospital fundraiser forcing the Archbishop to quit the board. Jesuit St. Louis University basketball coach R. Majerous puplicly promoting abortion and embryonic stem cell research.

I find it ironic that St. Stan’s appealed Archbishop’s Burke’s excommunication of of lay board to the very office that the Archbishop now heads.

All those who are gloating, beware, our next archbishop could be Bishop Braxton of Belleville, former auxilliary bishop of St. Louis.

**Those who know the Archibshop personally, espcially the seminarians, love him, and find him to be a very warm and humble man. **Unfortunately, many believe the media’s spin on him.

**
Met him a few times up close. Even have a family photo w/ him in it. YAY!!! I need to enlarge it and frame it. **

 

[reganq]

Breaking news - a reasonably factual article from the St. Louis
Post Disgrace.
stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/religion/story/FDD5368B08186996862574760015D573?OpenDocument

Too bad they lead it with a picture of the
to “womenpriests”. Other than that, it spells out the major
events of Abp. Burke’s tenure quite well.
He was a wonderful Shepard for the diocese. It’s too bad that
so many people have mistaken his steadfastness in upholding
the teachings of the Church as being uncaring. The truth is
not determined by a vote of what is fashionable.

Not too bad of an article. I do find it ironic that they led with the “womenpriests” (who don’t even have the decency to wear clerics for a position they take so seriously…)

I love how the article says something about his not backing down on things he considers non-negotiable. Hmmm, like the truth?

 

[Esperance]

Congrats to His Excellency!

 

[allhers]

stlouiscatholic.blogspot.com/2008/06/goodbye-st-louis-holy-father-tabs_27.html

It is a sad day for St. Louis to lose our good and holy Archbishop, but great for Holy Mother Church. Please pray for Archbishop Burke as he takes his new position in Rome. Also, pray that his successor upholds the standards that Archbishop Burke has set and continues to show strong leadership for our Church here in St. Louis. God bless Archbishop Burke! Deo Gratias!

Prayers for your intensions going on now, I am so happy that he is going to Rome!!!

 

[ALLGIRLS]

I’m so sad. He could have stayed with us forever. Although I always thought he’d get moved somewhere like L.A., that REALLY needs “cleaning up”. My only consolation now is that he could become Pope (assuming he’s made a Cardinal, since apparently St. Louis no longer warrants a Cardinal. Why is that, anyway? How come we don’t have Cardinals (the nonbaseball players, that is , anymore? Our last was Carberry, I believe). Someone mentioned that no one from a “superpower” will be elected. Why not? Is that just your opinion, or is there some unwritten “rule”?

Surprisingly, the Post Dispatch has shown, for them, tremendous restraint in its’ coverage. Of course, the Cafeteria Catholics are hoping for a more “pastoral” (read: “progressive”) Bishop, but they were wishing the same thing about the Pope when JPII died. Look who’s doing the appointing, people, FAT CHANCE!

One thing the Post did write in an editorial (either today or Saturday, I can’t remember, we were out of town this weekend so I read both papers today) that Burke “imported” more “pedophile” priests into St. Louis then any other Bishop ever has, anywhere, and give them “free reign and safe haven” (I’m paraphrasing). THAT’S quite an accusation, one I’ve never heard before. Does anyone know anything about this?

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[Holly3278]

Interesting. I really do not know what the Apostolic Signatura is but it sounds interesting. That said, I hope that St. Louis gets another holy bishop.

 

[reganq]

One thing the Post did write in an editorial (either today or Saturday, I can’t remember, we were out of town this weekend so I read both papers today) that Burke “imported” more “pedophile” priests into St. Louis then any other Bishop ever has, anywhere, and give them “free reign and safe haven” (I’m paraphrasing). THAT’S quite an accusation, one I’ve never heard before. Does anyone know anything about this?

I know that at least some of these “pedophile” priests are extremely aged and in nursing homes. I have a friend who works in a facility with many of them. The ones this friend works with are no longer the monsters the Post Distress makes them out to be. They are very humble and grateful that somebody is willing to care for them in spite of their past sins.

If anything, I think that this shows our beloved Archbishop extending Christ’s mercy to all. Isn’t that what we’re supposed to do? I am sure that there are younger ones around somewhere. But, I do not know about their circumstances.

As for the “free reign and safe haven” comment, for these priests that my friend cares for, they are free to move about the facility in their wheelchairs with needed assistance.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I know that at least some of these “pedophile” priests are extremely aged and in nursing homes. I have a friend who works in a facility with many of them. The ones this friend works with are no longer the monsters the Post Distress makes them out to be. They are very humble and grateful that somebody is willing to care for them in spite of their past sins.

If anything, I think that this shows our beloved Archbishop extending Christ’s mercy to all. Isn’t that what we’re supposed to do? I am sure that there are younger ones around somewhere. But, I do not know about their circumstances.

As for the “free reign and safe haven” comment, for these priests that my friend cares for, they are free to move about the facility in their wheelchairs with needed assistance.

Quit confusing us with the FACTS!!!

You ought to send your post to the Post “Distress” (I like that one). I usually use Post Disgrace.

Let’s count the “guilty until proven innocent” priests that SNAP includes in their number. Father Osborne comes to mind. Insurance would not pay for further defense because the payout was cheaper. So he will be one of those who “settled for an undisclosed sum.”

 

[SwizzleStick]

…One thing the Post did write in an editorial (either today or Saturday, I can’t remember, we were out of town this weekend so I read both papers today) that Burke “imported” more “pedophile” priests into St. Louis then any other Bishop ever has, anywhere, and give them “free reign and safe haven” (I’m paraphrasing). THAT’S quite an accusation, one I’ve never heard before. Does anyone know anything about this?

In Christ,

Ellen

I have been amazed that the Post has finally managed to be more fair and balanced in recent weeks about Archbishop Burke. Even the editorial that you referenced was fine until the very last paragraph. And then they had to go and blow it with those smarmy unfounded allegations. Where are there references, where are their sources? Where is their proof? They offer nothing, but get away with printing that garbage without being held accountable for facts.

For very good coverage of the Archbishop news, please follow the link below. I do not know the man who writes the blog (thetimman), but I stumbled upon it through SpirtDaily.com about a year ago and have become a daily reader since because I agree with most of what he writes. Anyway, scroll down to “Rhymes With” and keep reading backwards for a good summary and commentary of the recent articles in the Post and also just a general defense of our good and holy former Archbishop of St. Louis. He also has a lot of real info and facts in his archives about the St. Stanislaus situation and not that nonsense that they tend to print in the Post-Dispatch.

stlouiscatholic.blogspot.com/

 

[reganq]

Quit confusing us with the FACTS!!!

You ought to send your post to the Post “Distress” (I like that one). I usually use Post Disgrace.

Let’s count the “guilty until proven innocent” priests that SNAP includes in their number. Father Osborne comes to mind. Insurance would not pay for further defense because the payout was cheaper. So he will be one of those who “settled for an undisclosed sum.”

I like Post “Disgrace” too! Regardless of which title, if the shoe fits…

It’s been so long since I paid attention to SNAP information or any of that stuff. I got so tired of the bitterness. I’m pretty sure that isn’t what we’re supposed to be focusing on if we really want to be healed.

My friend started talking to me about these priests from a different diocese and how they weren’t treated very well. So, said friend made it a point to give them extra care. Now this friend has these priests praying for all sorts of different intentions. Quite monstrous behavior…

I wonder if Archbishop Burke will miss them. :nope: But, that’s purely a guess on my behalf.

 

[SwizzleStick]

… Someone mentioned that no one from a “superpower” will be elected. Why not? Is that just your opinion, or is there some unwritten “rule”?

An American Pope is generally considered to be a highly unlikely choice due to the fear that he would then too closely identify with U.S. policy (sort of a reverse of the Kennedy, since he said he would be President first and Catholic second, so that helped get him elected). An American Pope would have to be Pope first and American second and I guess there is a fear about whether that is possible or not. Such a fear would be unfounded with Archbishop Burke. He has already shown the courage to stand up for the Truth to politicians, singers, hospital boards, media, etc. and has not faltered. So, who knows what the future may hold for Archbishop (likely soon to be Cardinal) Burke. Perhaps the Papacy is in his future.

 

[frommi]

An American Pope is generally considered to be a highly unlikely choice due to the fear that he would then too closely identify with U.S. policy (sort of a reverse of the Kennedy, since he said he would be President first and Catholic second, so that helped get him elected). An American Pope would have to be Pope first and American second and I guess there is a fear about whether that is possible or not. Such a fear would be unfounded with Archbishop Burke. He has already shown the courage to stand up for the Truth to politicians, singers, hospital boards, media, etc. and has not faltered. So, who knows what the future may hold for Archbishop (likely soon to be Cardinal) Burke. Perhaps the Papacy is in his future.

It’s also worth mentioning that while we are certainly a healthy church in America, we are not the dominant force globally for the church that we think we are. There will continue to be a strong push for a Pope from the African or South American continents just due to the high amount of Catholics down there.

 

[aurora77]

Dateline Rome: June 2021. “Raymond Leo Burke has been elected as the first American Pope.”

That was my first thought when I read about the good Archbishop’s new position. I admire him so much and wish him the best in the future.

 

[jeanannemarie]

Dream on. As long as the US is a superpower, there will not be an American pope.

Never say never.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Never say never.

Amen!

 

[Digitonomy]

An American Pope is generally considered to be a highly unlikely choice due to the fear that he would then too closely identify with U.S. policy (sort of a reverse of the Kennedy, since he said he would be President first and Catholic second, so that helped get him elected). An American Pope would have to be Pope first and American second and I guess there is a fear about whether that is possible or not.

Well stated (at least until you veered off and suggested that Burke had a chance at the papacy ). If the pope were American, there would always be questions about whether he was taking an action perceived as friendly to the US because of his background, or taking an action unfriendly to the US to prove his independence from American influence. It isn’t wise to establish a situation where the pope’s every action would be second-guessed and undermined on this basis; the pope has enough obstacles to overcome already.

To a lesser extent, the actions of a US president on any issue relating to the Vatican would also raise doubt about his motives if there was some sense that the pope had moral authority over him on the basis of nationality, or that the pope was a natural ally.

There’s lots of ignorant people in the world, and it’s better PR for the Church’s message to be heard for what it is, rather than how it might be influenced by the pope being a citizen of the major superpower.

 

[qui_est_ce]

To a lesser extent, the actions of a US president on any issue relating to the Vatican would also raise doubt about his motives if there was some sense that the pope had moral authority over him on the basis of nationality, or that the pope was a natural ally.

There’s lots of ignorant people in the world, and it’s better PR for the Church’s message to be heard for what it is, rather than how it might be influenced by the pope being a citizen of the major superpower.

How is that different from a German Hitler Youth Group Pope? Look how his papacy was villified from the liberal Catholics when he first was elected.

The Church will be ciriticized no matter what. Read the lies about Pope Pius XII.

I don’t think the Church cares what motives people assign her. Her very essence is countercultural.

 

[Digitonomy]

How is that different from a German Hitler Youth Group Pope? Look how his papacy was villified from the liberal Catholics when he first was elected.

The difference is that there aren’t large numbers of people in Peru, or Lebanon, or India, or Nigeria, or China, or Ukraine, or even Canada, tired of having a German try to boss them around, or closely allied with the Zionist cause. The same can’t be said for people’s perceptions of an American.
qui est ce:

I don’t think the Church cares what motives people assign her. Her very essence is countercultural.

I’m a little puzzled by what you think it is the Church actually does, but a large number of Church activities depend on goodwill and cooperation from governments, non-governmental organizations, business leaders, and religious leaders. It’s best not to put such relationships, and the work of the Church, at risk unnecessarily.

Your example of the Hitler Youth issue is a good example of where effort had to be made overcoming people’s preconceptions, which could instead have been used promoting a different message. A more public example of the Church public relations were the pope’s efforts to heal damaged relations with Muslim leaders following his Regensburg remarks.

 

[frommi]

How is that different from a German Hitler Youth Group Pope? Look how his papacy was villified from the liberal Catholics when he first was elected.

The Church will be ciriticized no matter what. Read the lies about Pope Pius XII.

I don’t think the Church cares what motives people assign her. Her very essence is countercultural.

You’re right, the church doesn’t really ‘care’ how it would look. However, you still have to get 2/3rds of the world’s cardinals to vote for one man. The chances of it being an American remain slim for the time being.