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But will they leave in greater numbers than the number of “nevertrumpers” who will return? That’s the question, I suppose.

It’s hard to cry foul, though, when the rules are there in place for all to see. Not that some won’t cry foul regardless of what direction things go. 🤷
Trump has had millions more votes than Cruz. Does that not give you an idea about the numbers?

Keep in mind that ever since Trump has risen in the polls, the party has tried to stop him. They have tried everything in their power to stop him. Unprecedented unashamed efforts to take down their own frontrunner.

So yeah, if they take trump out, they will lose.
 
Trump has had millions more votes than Cruz. Does that not give you an idea about the numbers?

Keep in mind that ever since Trump has risen in the polls, the party has tried to stop him. They have tried everything in their power to stop him. Unprecedented unashamed efforts to take down their own frontrunner.

So yeah, if they take trump out, they will lose.
I agree with that. I have said before that I will vote for a yaller dawg running against Hillary or Bernie, but there are many out there who will stay home in November if Trump doesn’t get the nomination, and there is even a hint of GOP “crookedness” in moving him out.
 
I agree with that. I have said before that I will vote for a yaller dawg running against Hillary or Bernie, but there are many out there who will stay home in November if Trump doesn’t get the nomination, and there is even a hint of GOP “crookedness” in moving him out.
I’m in the same mindset. I don’t think trump voters would be this upset if the election had been fair, but the GOP has been so hostile to trump that it’s too obvious that voters are taken for granted, used and not respected.

Also keep in mind that the democrats who cross over to vote trump will never vote for cruz.
 
I agree with that. I have said before that I will vote for a yaller dawg running against Hillary or Bernie, but there are many out there who will stay home in November if Trump doesn’t get the nomination, and there is even a hint of GOP “crookedness” in moving him out.
But what about the polls that say he cannot beat Hillary. Do you want her as president?
 
But what about the polls that say he cannot beat Hillary. Do you want her as president?
Trump hasn’t even started on Hillary. If he can win the republican nomination with such a pack of wolves after him, I’d say he’ll beat hillary easily.
 
Trump hasn’t even started on Hillary. If he can win the republican nomination with such a pack of wolves after him, I’d say he’ll beat hillary easily.
I think you are kidding yourself. But we shall see. I promise not to say “I told you so.”🙂
 
Trump has had millions more votes than Cruz. Does that not give you an idea about the numbers?

Keep in mind that ever since Trump has risen in the polls, the party has tried to stop him. They have tried everything in their power to stop him. Unprecedented unashamed efforts to take down their own frontrunner.

So yeah, if they take trump out, they will lose.
Remember, he hasn’t had the majority of votes. That means more people would rather someone else. How many of them would like Cruz over Trump is what needs to be determined if neither wins the majority of votes. I did not vote for either Cruz or Trump; I would rather have Cruz.

Just because he has the most votes, doesn’t mean the majority of people want Trump. That is why he should not just automatically get the nomination. I do agree that it should just be between the top two candidates.
 
I agree with that. I have said before that I will vote for a yaller dawg running against Hillary or Bernie, but there are many out there who will stay home in November if Trump doesn’t get the nomination, and there is even a hint of GOP “crookedness” in moving him out.

My sentiment exactly about that yaller dawg! The nagging little “happening” that took place right after Bush gave up and Romney jumped out of the box, has swiftly faded away. That event was the arrival of all the private jets at a Florida airport when a Thursday afternoon lunch was held (Rep. establishment to include Cruz and Kasich but NOT Trump).

Hence, the “crookedness” needs some sunlight and if that does not happen, and other actions do, then “Katie bar the door”!
 
I’m in the same mindset. I don’t think trump voters would be this upset if the election had been fair, but the GOP has been so hostile to trump that it’s too obvious that voters are taken for granted, used and not respected.

Also keep in mind that the democrats who cross over to vote trump will never vote for cruz.
Started at the first debate.

Could not believe how unprofessional Fox was…in particular Megyn Kelly who I thought was above all that.

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Fox and actually find myself watching CNN more now. And I do not watch Kelly’s show any longer. She crossed a line that should not have been crossed imo.

And I didn’t even vote for Trump, I voted for Carson. But I don’t appreciate establishment folks trying to rig elections and thwart the will of the people.
 
Remember, he hasn’t had the majority of votes. That means more people would rather someone else. How many of them would like Cruz over Trump is what needs to be determined if neither wins the majority of votes. I did not vote for either Cruz or Trump; I would rather have Cruz.

Just because he has the most votes, doesn’t mean the majority of people want Trump. That is why he should not just automatically get the nomination. I do agree that it should just be between the top two candidates.
Ummm, yes that’s exactly what it means.

And I like GWB but he should not have been President to begin with as he lost the popular vote. The delegate system is old and outdated, and other civilized countries don’t use it.

We need to disband these gangs in D.C. Stop pledging allegiance to them or the problems will never cease.
 
I agree with that. I have said before that I will vote for a yaller dawg running against Hillary or Bernie,
I’m very strongly against Hillary and Bernie as well, but I have to wonder how dog comparisons really help our cause. 🤷
 
Remember, he hasn’t had the majority of votes.
We also have to respect the rules though. Trump has received 37% of the votes cast thus far, but the various state rules give him 47.5% of the delegates.
 
Ummm, yes that’s exactly what it means.

And I like GWB but he should not have been President to begin with as he lost the popular vote. The delegate system is old and outdated, and other civilized countries don’t use it.

We need to disband these gangs in D.C. Stop pledging allegiance to them or the problems will never cease.
How do you figure the majority of people voted for Trump when he gets less than 50% of the vote?
 
How do you figure the majority of people voted for Trump when he gets less than 50% of the vote?
Whatever number he is at is actually pretty incredible when you consider how extraordinary this primary has been.

Like 17 others started out in this primary and many of them hung around until March.

This is not typical so a 50% number doesn’t apply. Trump wins the popular GOP vote by the millions. This shouldn’t be dismissed.

And I didn’t vote for him I voted for Dr. Carson. But I hate to see the will of the people thwarted by GOP elites, which is what is happening.🤷
 
Whatever number he is at is actually pretty incredible when you consider how extraordinary this primary has been.

Like 17 others started out in this primary and many of them hung around until March.

This is not typical so a 50% number doesn’t apply. Trump wins the popular GOP vote by the millions. This shouldn’t be dismissed.

And I didn’t vote for him I voted for Dr. Carson. But I hate to see the will of the people thwarted by GOP elites, which is what is happening.🤷
IMO, the fact that so many others started out is what helped Trump. I didn’t vote for Cruz or Trump either. My pick was Carson also, and there were many others I would have picked before Cruz. I don’t believe that just because I didn’t vote for Cruz in the primaries that means now my vote should go to Trump. I like Cruz over Trump, and surely there are many others that feel the same.
This is why I believe the only fair way to know what the people want would be a run off between Trump and Cruz. I know this won’t happen, but if Trump doesn’t get 50% plus 1 of the vote we don’t know who the majority of people would rather have.
 
IMO, the fact that so many others started out is what helped Trump. I didn’t vote for Cruz or Trump either. My pick was Carson also, and there were many others I would have picked before Cruz. I don’t believe that just because I didn’t vote for Cruz in the primaries that means now my vote should go to Trump. I like Cruz over Trump, and surely there are many others that feel the same.
This is why I believe the only fair way to know what the people want would be a run off between Trump and Cruz. I know this won’t happen, but if Trump doesn’t get 50% plus 1 of the vote we don’t know who the majority of people want.
So you think it’s fair if cruz gets the nomination even though he’s 300 delegates behind trump?
 
So you think it’s fair if cruz gets the nomination even though he’s 300 delegates behind trump?
Yes, what if 51% of the people would rather have Cruz than Trump. Isn’t that fair.
Besides, how many states has trump barely won and gotten many more delegates. That doesn’t seem to bother you. Am I wrong about that?
 
IMO, the fact that so many others started out is what helped Trump. I didn’t vote for Cruz or Trump either. My pick was Carson also, and there were many others I would have picked before Cruz. I don’t believe that just because I didn’t vote for Cruz in the primaries that means now my vote should go to Trump. I like Cruz over Trump, and surely there are many others that feel the same.
This is why I believe the only fair way to know what the people want would be a run off between Trump and Cruz. I know this won’t happen, but if Trump doesn’t get 50% plus 1 of the vote we don’t know who the majority of people would rather have.
People are holding their noses when they vote for either those two, to be honest.

So if they could just do a national election, Cruz vs Trump one time vote, you would be OK with the outcome? PEOPLE, not delegates!!!

Because Cruz mostly only wins Caucus states and they are not that heavily populated. He would get smashed in the popular vote just like he is now.

And people think Trump is unelectable (and he probably is) But Cruz is too because he is hard right in a nation that moving ‘progressively left’.

At least with Trump he gets many independents and some democrats to cross over.

The GOP is in big trouble if they do not give the guy with the most delegates the nomination. This hairline fracture will become a brutal compound fracture and they will never recover from it.
 
The key to winning will be getting a candidate that Trump supporters will accept
I don’t see Trump supporters accepting any other candidate than Trump.

As for “Trump has the most votes, he should be the nominee” – he also has the highest unfavorable rating ever recorded (something like 60%). Not exactly something to be shouting from the rooftops.

Also, Trump wouldn’t have nearly the number of votes he has, if all states had closed primaries (i.e. ones where only registered Republicans can vote in the Republican primary and only registered Democrats can vote in the Democrat primary). A lot of Trump’s votes came from folks who crossed over solely to vote for him in the primary.

One of our most cherished freedoms, enshrined in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, is that of freedom of association, i.e. the individual right to come together with other individuals and collectively express, promote, pursue and defend common interests. The purpose of a primary election is to choose one candidate from a pool of applicants for each political party to run in an election as a representative of the entire party; a significant number of 2016 primary voters have willfully interfered with the process of one party selecting who will represent them on the November ballot (by crossing over and voting in the Republican primary, even though they have no intention of supporting the full slate of Republican nominees in November). Does anyone seriously think that traditional Republican primary voters share a whole lot of common political interests with Democrats who cross over to vote in a Republican primary one time?
Ummm, yes that’s exactly what it means.

And I like GWB but he should not have been President to begin with as he lost the popular vote.
Ummm, last time I checked, I was a citizen of the United States of America; I’m not one of the “United *Citizens *of America.” 2000 was not the first time that a U.S. President was elected who received fewer popular votes than his opponent. The “unthinkable” happened twice before, in 1876 (Rutherford Hayes) and 1888 (Benjamin Harrison). And, in 1976, a shift of a few thousand votes in several key states would have given Gerald Ford an electoral-vote victory, but left Jimmy Carter with a popular vote plurality.

The Electoral System is a unifying force that requires candidates to gather support from different regions of the nation in order to win the presidency. The Electoral System is democratic, since it gives states with larger populations more voting power. Finally, the Electoral System works to prevent victories by smaller, lesser-known political parties, and works to prevent elections from being thrown into the House of Representatives.

Eliminating the Electoral College will eliminate our federal system of government and representation and and would lead to the nationalization of our government - to the detriment of the States. The President would be selected either through the domination of one populous region over the others or through the domination of large metropolitan areas over the rural ones.

If the Founding Fathers had intended for the President to be directly elected, they would have written it into the Constitution. But of course they didn’t do that, seeing as they intended to create a government limited in scope and powers.

Power at the national level was split among the three branches, each reflecting a different constituency. Representatives were directly elected by the people (they still are), Senators were chosen by their respective state legislatures (they aren’t anymore, but in my opinion they should be again), and the President was elected by Electors who were appointed by each state (for the time being they still are).

Power was also divided between the national government and the states (though we’ve certainly been seeing less and less of that in the last 75 years or so). There’s a lot to be said for federalism… look at all the regional conflicts that trouble large and diverse nations like India, China and Russia. The Electoral College system at least forces presidential candidates to seek support nationwide, thereby making sure no state is left behind.

Direct election of the president would only reflect the will of a majority. In contrast, the Electoral College provides representation for both the population at large and the states. It thereby tempers and limits the power of majority rule.

I wonder if the activists who seek to eliminate the Electoral College in favor of a popular vote to elect the president (presumably because the EC violates “one person, one vote,” as opined by Sen. Diane Feinstein on Larry King Live) are also willing to abolish the Senate for the same reason. Wyoming, with a population of 533,000, gets the same number of Senators as California with its population of almost 37 million. No “one person, one vote” there… where’s the consistency?
 
IMO, the fact that so many others started out is what helped Trump. I didn’t vote for Cruz or Trump either. My pick was Carson also, and there were many others I would have picked before Cruz. I don’t believe that just because I didn’t vote for Cruz in the primaries that means now my vote should go to Trump. I like Cruz over Trump, and surely there are many others that feel the same.
This is why I believe the only fair way to know what the people want would be a run off between Trump and Cruz. I know this won’t happen, but if Trump doesn’t get 50% plus 1 of the vote we don’t know who the majority of people would rather have.
Right. I didn’t vote for either of those two, but I’d prefer Cruz over Trump.

If it were a two person race from the beginning, I think things would have turned out very differently. To say that, simply because Trump received more votes means that the majority prefers him is not accurate.
 
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