Guilty Pleasures: Favorite Liturgical Abuses

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That picture simply cannot be from a Catholic Mass. I refuse to believe it…
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Um…no, it’s definitely NOT a Catholic Mass. The priest is lacking the chasuble. Protestant pastors who wear vestments tend to forego the chasuble and only wear the alb, cincture and stole, so it has to be some sort of protestant communion service.

I have, however, seen a woman up at the altar next to Father during the fraction rite opening the tabernacle, pawing the consecrated hosts, putting them into various dishes for distribtution by a small army of EMHC’s. At that same parish, they use a big jug of wine and then pour the Precious Blood into various wine glasses for distribution by part of that small army…this happens at EVERY MASS, whether it’s Sunday Mass, Holy Day Mass or a simple Weekday Mass.

I’m not even a member of the Church yet (formally) and I know this is so wrong that I stopped attending this parish (I almost fear what I’d get taught in RCIA in this parish!) and started going to another Parish about 5-6 miles away that has Gregorian Chant for the Saturday Vigil Mass. Father not only gave an awesome homily on the Eucharist last week but he also told someone whose cell phone rang during the mass to shut off the cell phone. 🙂 I like this parish a LOT better.
 
Scotty PGH:
That picture simply cannot be from a Catholic Mass. I refuse to believe it… :nope:
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You evidently been to some of the masses held at the University of Portland.

shudders

That picture brougth back way too many memories.

Josh
 
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Edwin1961:
I attended in my college days, a Mass with Laturgical Dancers in clownface and the priest was rather, colorful too.
And another where a cookie was used insted of the host. This was in the early 1980’s, and I found it then to be odd.
So, ANY college campus Catholic Parish, unless it is tightly regulated should be looked at very closely.
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I automatically assume that a Catholic university or campus ministry is heretical and filled with the stench of evil unless it is proven to me otherwise.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Um…no, it’s definitely NOT a Catholic Mass. The priest is lacking the chasuble. Protestant pastors who wear vestments tend to forego the chasuble and only wear the alb, cincture and stole, so it has to be some sort of protestant communion service.

I have, however, seen a woman up at the altar next to Father during the fraction rite opening the tabernacle, pawing the consecrated hosts, putting them into various dishes for distribtution by a small army of EMHC’s. At that same parish, they use a big jug of wine and then pour the Precious Blood into various wine glasses for distribution by part of that small army…this happens at EVERY MASS, whether it’s Sunday Mass, Holy Day Mass or a simple Weekday Mass.

I’m not even a member of the Church yet (formally) and I know this is so wrong that I stopped attending this parish (I almost fear what I’d get taught in RCIA in this parish!) and started going to another Parish about 5-6 miles away that has Gregorian Chant for the Saturday Vigil Mass. Father not only gave an awesome homily on the Eucharist last week but he also told someone whose cell phone rang during the mass to shut off the cell phone. 🙂 I like this parish a LOT better.
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The Jesuits where I went to school left off the chasubile all the time. They had no sense of liturgical rubrics, nor did they care. We used to have a saying on campus, “Lost as a Jesuit in holy week.”
 
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LCMS_No_More:
At that same parish, they use a big jug of wine and then pour the Precious Blood into various wine glasses for distribution by part of that small army…this happens at EVERY MASS, whether it’s Sunday Mass, Holy Day Mass or a simple Weekday Mass.
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This is standard practice in my diocese. The Bishop here gave and exemption to consectrate the wine in one large vessel, then pour the prescious wine into smaller vessels for distribution.
 
I cant believe how naive some on this board are in assuming that would never happen at a Catholic Mass. It did- its a Jesuit priest at
a “retreat” for Loyola-Marymount Campus Ministry- Notice the crucifix behind the table. Here’s another one:

Latino Retreat 2003
Jesuit priest performs mass on a TV tray while sitting in a folding chair.

http://ministry.lmu.edu/retreats/latino2003/images/IMG_4827.jpg
 
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msproule:
I do not think that the fifth choice is very well represented. There are many things typically associated with the Tridentine Mass that are still very much licit, and arguably expected, at a Missa Normativa.

For example:
Striking the breast during the Confiteor at the words “my (own) fault”.
This gesture is not found explicitly in the latest version of the GIRM, but it is found in previous versions. However, since neither the new GIRM nor Redemptionis Sacramentum “suppress” this gesture, I think we should assume that it is still licit and furthermore, recommended.
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This gesture is specifically called for in our missalette which is OCP - not known for going overboard to be traditional. 😉 The USCCB mentions it as a prescribed gesture in some of its documents as well.

The striking of the breast at the “Lord, I am not worthy” or for that matter, at the consecration, were common in previous Missals and not really mentioned at all in the latest version. Many still do these actions.

My “favorite” liturgical abuse is the addition of Litanies during Mass. I think there are only a handful that are “officially” allowed but I know one priest who inserts them liberally. I don’t mind since I was never really exposed to them in my formative years and find them quite beautiful.
 
I had a very early morning (weekday) meeting in another town. By 8:15am, I was back in my car and looking for a way back to the highway. I was silently wondering if there was an 8:30 Mass anywhere around, as I motored throught the silent countryside. Came to a “T” intersection… CHURCH ROAD.

Hmmm. Well, there’s a clue.

Picked a direction at random. Came upon an impressive brick church-like structure with a brick sign holder that said “Community of Saint Benedict”.

I wonder if it’s Catholic.

Went inside. Was too … inhibited … to ask if they’re Catholic. So I asked if there would be an 8:30 Mass and I was told yes, in the chapel. OK.

Went to the chapel. There was an altar girl… and the altar bread was a LARGE loaf of pumperknickle.

I wonder if it’s Catholic.

People assembled. They’re all wearing little green pins and ribbons… It’s St. Patrick’s day… I forgot!

Mass begins. An apparent layman (could have been a deacon, but he was in civvies) read the GOSPEL.

I wonder if it’s Catholic.

Then the priest stood up and gave the homily and it was the weakest, most wishy washy homily I have ever heard in my entire 60 year life.

And then I KNEW it was Catholic.

And just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse…

… the CONSECRATED pumpernickle totally fragmented into a million crumbs… the lay eucharistic ministers were totally embarrassed by the … mess of Crumbs. It was the most awful experience I have ever witnessed… a terrible desecration… What were these people THINKING??? ]
 
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Desert_82:
I cant believe how naive some on this board are in assuming that would never happen at a Catholic Mass.
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Do not be so presumtious and rude as to jump in (in noticed a post count of 15 for you) and call us naive. I am open to what the more reasonable people have mentioned about problems particularly associated with a university. However, I have also been around this board long enough to see (deliberate?) misrepresentation used to exaggerate problems that do exist and make them appear more common place. When I see things falsely labeled, I am being prudent, not naive, to doubt the veracity of other claims that seem absurd.

As far as Michael Welter’s and byzmelkite’s claim that they have seen these things at university Masses, I take them at their word, for I know that academians often live in a world of their own. This is one of the reasons why colleges need oversight.
 
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Desert_82:
FYI

Father Ron’s consecration
Encountering Jesus Retreat

http://ministry.lmu.edu/retreats/clc2002/images/FrRon consecration.jpg
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My statement was meant to be somewhat ironic. I wasn’t being naive, just holding onto a shred of hope…

Anyway - that picture there – that’s the first time I’ve seen Christ portrayed with two nails in his feet (for a total of four piercings). I thought it was dogma that Christ was pierced by three nails.
 
Scotty PGH:
My statement was meant to be somewhat ironic. I wasn’t being naive, just holding onto a shred of hope…

Anyway - that picture there – that’s the first time I’ve seen Christ portrayed with two nails in his feet (for a total of four piercings). I thought it was dogma that Christ was pierced by three nails.
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In eastern Christian tradition, the feet are separated. Look at any byzantine crucifix or icon of the crucifixion and you will see separated feet. It is not dogma that Christ’s feet were pierced with one nail.
 
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Desert_82:
I cant believe how naive some on this board are in assuming that would never happen at a Catholic Mass. It did- its a Jesuit priest at
a “retreat” for Loyola-Marymount Campus Ministry- Notice the crucifix behind the table. Here’s another one:

Latino Retreat 2003
Jesuit priest performs mass on a TV tray while sitting in a folding chair.

http://ministry.lmu.edu/retreats/latino2003/images/IMG_4827.jpg
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Yep, that’s a Jesuit for you. Maybe we should start a petition to Pope Benedict XVI to have the Jesuits permanently supressed.
 
Desert_82 said:
*The one liturgical abuse I have NEVER understood is the clown mass.

http://www.orlandolatinmass.com/clownmass.jpg*

**Holy Name of Jesus Parish
Indiatlantic, Florida
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I think that if I were travelling and had to attend Mass somewhere and as I walked in I saw this sort of thing happening, I would shout out, “Shame on you!” and just leave. I don’t think I could take this. Its not just that its blasphemous, its just utterly moronic and sometimes I’m not sure which is worse.
 
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byzmelkite:
Yep, that’s a Jesuit for you. Maybe we should start a petition to Pope Benedict XVI to have the Jesuits permanently supressed.
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HEY I like the SJ!
They would be wonderful catholics, if they belived in God…
Just kidding, I really do like them (the orthodox Jesuits are amazing, well worth the annoyance the liberal ones cause)
 
Tridentine Mass elements that were suppressed (sign of the cross after Confiteor, etc) …:whistle:
 
Maybe I am just uninformed, but I didn’t know making the sign of the cross after the confiteor was a liturgical abuse. In ‘Spirit of the Liturgy’ our new Pope seemed to promote such postures and actions in the mass (like beating the breast during the confiteor).
 
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snow_white:
Maybe I am just uninformed, but I didn’t know making the sign of the cross after the confiteor was a liturgical abuse. In ‘Spirit of the Liturgy’ our new Pope seemed to promote such postures and actions in the mass (like beating the breast during the confiteor).
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Uuum…it was the only option I could call a “possible abuse” It isn’t…
it just isn’t done anymore in my parish/ diocese and I’m probably one of the only ones in my parish who still does this…😉
 
Readings subsituted with other texts (such as writing of the Buddha)
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Please tell me this is a joke???

On another note, I too have NEVER understood the twisted logic behind a Clown Mass…WHY? WHY? WHY?
 
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