Gun Carrying Catholics Armed

[Vonsalza]

The 1920’s called. They want their laughably ineffective anti-freedom policies back.

Are you talking about prohibition?

Oh good lord…

For the American family, prohibition was an amazing success.
Is Al Capone the only aspect of prohibition that Fox News covered?

 

[starshiptrooper]

They disarmed the people in the 90’s right? You will note that violence has not fallen below pre-ban levels from 69 indicating that gun control does not accomplish its purported goal of a less violent society.

 

[TheOldColonel]

Through the people, kitty-corner to the people, around the people, parallel to the people, perpendicular to the people. No, I think it’s just fine. The people are everywhere.

 

[starshiptrooper]

What is the people though? We do not share a race, heritage, culture, language or values. It seems that the only prerequisite is being neighbors.

 

[TheOldColonel]

I like the people.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I’ve never been able to love mankind as an abstract concept. Individual persons on the other hand…

 

[TheOldColonel]

I would think the abstract is easier.

 

[Ender]

Almost comically, you’ve kept saying that it doesn’t solve the problem without actually stating what you think the problem is.

I don’t need to know the theory of electricity to reject the theory that lightening bolts are sparks from Thor’s hammer. My arguments against the effectiveness of banning the purchase of semi-automatic weapons is in no way affected by the lack of a suggestion as to what would work.

 

[upant]

Welcome to the concept of “law” and the concept of “order”.

more like mob rule

The tool will be something less deadly and will discourage lethal use because it’ll be that much harder to carry out.

you don’t know that. a vehicle is easy and at the right time just as deadly. a bomb even more so and you still forget the semi-auto handguns

That’s called a “win”, folks.

it’s called feel-good

What we must do is limit the destructive capacity of this individual when they do inevitably emerge.

we can treat the mentally ill instead of acting like they don’t exist. some of them need to be locked up.

To help you understand, “gun grabbers” want to limit the proliferation of arms for the same reason most of the countries on this planet work together to limit the proliferation of nuclear arms;

why does bloomberg spend so much on gun control? it is about people control. the UN has the same goal in their gun control agenda. you need to read their own words.

 

[Theo520]

The point is that that harder you make it for someone to commit lethal violence, the less lethal violence there will be. Period.

So it’s straight jackets for all, that’ll make it hard to commit lethal violence!

 

[Seeksadvice]

Cheap glass bottle and rag ~$1.50
A quart of gas ~$0.80
The resulting Molotov cocktail… priceless

No gunpowder required.

Sadly, people will be violent regardless. Cain and Able didn’t have firearms. Heck, people have been killing each other with fists/feet, slings, bows + arrows, pointy sticks, swords, non-pointy sticks, booby traps, crossbows, rocks, tools, falls from tall heights, garrotes in all their forms, poisons, explosives, and all sorts of different ways.

How many people did Joshua and Co. slaughter with what today would be laughed as as terribly primitive equipment?

If somebody wants to be violent, they will be violent.

 

[TheOldColonel]

Sounds like you’re diversifying.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Almost comically, you’ve kept saying that it doesn’t solve the problem without actually stating what you think the problem is.

I don’t need to know the theory of electricity to reject the theory that lightening bolts are sparks from Thor’s hammer. My arguments against the effectiveness of banning the purchase of semi-automatic weapons is in no way affected by the lack of a suggestion as to what would work.

Awesome. So banning semi-auto weapons wouldn’t reduce deaths by semi-auto weapons.

Got it.

:crazy_face::crazy_face::crazy_face:

 

[Vonsalza]

more like mob rule

You just don’t want to be told what to do.

I understand! When my son was a toddler he felt the same way.

you don’t know that.

The economic laws of scarcity unambiguously and unapologetically demand it.

That you may be unaware of it has no bearing on that reality.

it’s called feel-good

Response #1 is always denial. I understand.

we can treat the mentally ill instead of acting like they don’t exist. some of them need to be locked up.

And you accuse me of “feel good”.

I’m also sure you think that can be done without raising taxes.

why does bloomberg spend so much on gun control? it is about people control.

Tin-foil hat mode successfully engaged…

 

[Vonsalza]

If somebody wants to be violent, they will be violent.

No argument there.

But we should keep them from easily accessing tools designed for efficiently and rapidly ending human life.

And interesting you mentioned molotov cocktails. I fiddled around with a few when I was in college and invulnerable.

You’re more likely to set yourself on fire…

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

The point is that that harder you make it for someone to commit lethal violence, the less lethal violence there will be. Period.

So it’s straight jackets for all, that’ll make it hard to commit lethal violence!

No slippery slope fallacy there… nope.

 

[pnewton]

Democracy is not mob rule. We must all play withing the rules.

 

[MonteRCMS]

Democracy is not mob rule. We must all play withing the rules.

As soon as people in a democracy start to accept rules, then they are in a republic, not a democracy.

 

[Bradskii]

Theo520:

Vonsalza:

The point is that that harder you make it for someone to commit lethal violence, the less lethal violence there will be. Period.

So it’s straight jackets for all, that’ll make it hard to commit lethal violence!

No slippery slope fallacy there… nope.

I do my very best to stay out of these discussions. Some time ago I promised one poster who was the ‘if-we-all-carry-guns-then-the-world-will-be-a-safer-place’ type that I would only call in next time there was a mass shooting. So I do make reasonably regular appearances.

Like a good guy with a gun was going to save those 4 in Nashville. If you are going to shoot a few people then you don’t pull out an assault weapon in a bar full of good ol’ boys who are prepared to kill and be killed to protect the second ammendment. You shoot a few people in a Waffle House in the small hours.

These type of killings are normally something that happens ‘over there’ in that wierd country where people cary guns to church and to the ball game. But I’m in the US at the moment and was in Nashville a couple of days ago. Driving in to the city I passed pretty close to that Waffle House. I had my kids calling me because they knew I was in the area.

Truly, the rest of the world thinks this place is just crazy. It’s hard to get that across. But having women and children and church goers and people in diners and schoolkids getting gunned down is the price the NRA and its supportes are prepared to pay so they get to keep their toys.

Every place my wife and I have visited around the world, she will at some point say ‘you know, I could live here for a while’. It’s kind of a family joke. But as beautiful as this country can be and as friendly as the people are, this is the exception to the rule.

As she said when we discussed it last night: Do you think I would live in a country where they teach young school children what to do if a gunman starts killing their classmates?

 

[Theo520]

Awesome. So banning semi-auto weapons wouldn’t reduce deaths by semi-auto weapons.

Got it.

:crazy_face::crazy_face::crazy_face:

It’s more like what we’ve seen on suicide in countries that confiscated. The number of gun suicides dropped but it didn’t impact suicides, people just substitute another method to achieve their objective.