Had vasectomy - so where does it leave me

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Y’all. Come on, now. This is getting funny.

If we were talking about any other profession - plumber, repair man, or business executive and someone were to say “You know, I’ve never been a plumber, but I talk to them everyday and I listen to them talk about their jobs… so that makes me a plumber and not only that, qualified to tell a real plumber how to do his job.” How would you react?

You’d laugh. For obvious reasons.
I think your on to something, more or less. You don’t get legal advice from a bus driver. You don’t get advice on how to drive a bus from a lawyer either!

It’s important to remember that priests aren’t married to individual women in the tradtional sense-they sometimes don’t know how hard it is for a marired couple.

That takes nothing away from them, it’s just stating a fact.
 
Y’all. Come on, now. This is getting funny.

If we were talking about any other profession - plumber, repair man, or business executive and someone were to say “You know, I’ve never been a plumber, but I talk to them everyday and I listen to them talk about their jobs… so that makes me a plumber and not only that, qualified to tell a real plumber how to do his job.” How would you react?

You’d laugh. For obvious reasons.
We are not talking about a job, we are talking about holy ordained Priests.
 
We are not talking about a job, we are talking about holy ordained Priests.
Does being ordained mean you possess intimate knowledge about every subject known to man? How to install toilets? Preform heart surgery? Argue a case before the supreme court? Diagnose my computer issues?

A priest can give moral advice-and they should! I’m not saying they shouldn’t-what I’m saying is when it comes to being married, perhaps they don’t know how to handle situations.
 
Does being ordained mean you possess intimate knowledge about every subject known to man? How to install toilets? Preform heart surgery? Argue a case before the supreme court? Diagnose my computer issues?

A priest can give moral advice-and they should! I’m not saying they shouldn’t-what I’m saying is when it comes to being married, perhaps they don’t know how to handle situations.
Right, but I don’t care if my doctor has personally experienced a heart attack or clogged arteries, all I care about is if he can fix the problem. The priest may not have personal, first hand knowledge of what a marital problem feels like but he does have the knowledge and expertise to help out and offer advice.
 
Right, but I don’t care if my doctor has personally experienced a heart attack or clogged arteries, all I care about is if he can fix the problem. The priest may not have personal, first hand knowledge of what a marital problem feels like but he does have the knowledge and expertise to help out and offer advice it.
Perhaps. The question is “can they fix the problem” though. A medical doctor shouldn’t give medical advice out of their specialty, however. An oncologist might be a brilliant oncologist, even though they’ve never had cancer. However, even if they’ve had two heart attacks, they might not know a thing about them!
 
I think your on to something, more or less. You don’t get legal advice from a bus driver. You don’t get advice on how to drive a bus from a lawyer either!

It’s important to remember that priests aren’t married to individual women in the tradtional sense-they sometimes don’t know how hard it is for a marired couple.

That takes nothing away from them, it’s just stating a fact.
I agree with you Rascalking. I would not give married people advice (even though most of my friends are married and they whine so much), because I’ve never been married, and I haven’t studied to be a marriage counselor. I can give the by-the-book answers like “communicate more” but it might not be the best advice.
 
I believe that the only person who can make a decision about my family is my wife and myself.

Popes and priests and anyone else can say “This is right.” or “This is wrong.” However, if after doing the research and study I still disagree, then I refuse to appear before Divinity and say, “You know, I thought it was wrong, but everyone else said it was okay…”

I’d much rather appear before Divinity and say “I did what I thought was right.”
Brother you’ve got it so right.
 
I agree with you Rascalking. I would not give married people advice (even though most of my friends are married and they whine so much), because I’ve never been married, and I haven’t studied to be a marriage counselor. I can give the by-the-book answers like “communicate more” but it might not be the best advice.
Thanks. And just because you read Grisham doesn’t mean you can practice law!
 
So, than, Hitler dies and goes before God and says that. What happens? I understand completely that there is a difference between a vasectomy and Hitler! Just trying to show you what a slippery slope it can be sometimes!

By the way, your screen name and religion made me chuckle.
Actually I think you are on a good slope… But lets use a Carthaginian and her sacrifice to Baal? I am sure she thought she was doing the right thing…
 
I read a lot of military history. A lot. I’ve given lectures on World War II at museums. I have friends who are deployed, or have been deployed overseas. I have worked with people who have served in three different wars.

I lived near a military base and had friends whose dad’s were soldiers.

Does any of that make me a soldier? Or a combat vet? 😉
Nope…but then again I have never mudered anybody and I don’t need a merderer to tell me how it feels to know that it is wrong…😊
 
No. They don’t. Until you life with a family, 24/7, with no place to retreat to - having to sleep in the same bed as the person you’re incredibly angry with, you’re not married.

Until you’ve raised a child and had to care for it and discipline it, you have a theoretical knowledge of family… but you’re not a family man.
Kids 21/16/12 and 4… I still think that have a lot to learn from the Fathers… Kind of like going to a Pediatrician that is single…
 
I think your on to something, more or less. You don’t get legal advice from a bus driver. You don’t get advice on how to drive a bus from a lawyer either!

It’s important to remember that priests aren’t married to individual women in the traditional sense-they sometimes don’t know how hard it is for a married couple.

That takes nothing away from them, it’s just stating a fact.
Well 50%% of married people know diddly about being married, since they don’t stay married. Priest on the other hand, like Paul VI, pretty much nailed what was going to happen in Humanea Vitea… Why was he able to do this? Maybe his insight came from years of experience as well as a little help from above?

Priest are married to the Church and get to deal with ALL the problems of the flock…
 
Y’all. Come on, now. This is getting funny.

If we were talking about any other profession - plumber, repair man, or business executive and someone were to say “You know, I’ve never been a plumber, but I talk to them everyday and I listen to them talk about their jobs… so that makes me a plumber and not only that, qualified to tell a real plumber how to do his job.” How would you react?

You’d laugh. For obvious reasons.
Well, cheese worship might be funny, but mostly it’s just joke. And not a good one. But it’s your option.

So are you saying that a jury can not convict a murderer if they have never murdered? That does not justify the murder. They are still allowed to pass judgment based on the laws as they are written.

Catholics (and by extension, all of us) have “the law”. One may decide to follow or not. That we have free will is a given. But to say, one has to only follow his own conscience… well isn’t that what atheists say? “Critical Thinking” it’s called, I believe. Funny how none of the celibate old guys you denounce have the same capability as YOU have to do critical thinking. Or the thousands of years of logical analysis the church has developed over time. “They” don’t know everything. But YOU seem to think you do. Pride is the worst of the seven deadly sins. Oh, that religious stuff again. :rolleyes:
 
Well, cheese worship might be funny, but mostly it’s just joke. And not a good one. But it’s your option.

So are you saying that a jury can not convict a murderer if they have never murdered? That does not justify the murder. They are still allowed to pass judgment based on the laws as they are written.

Catholics (and by extension, all of us) have “the law”. One may decide to follow or not. That we have free will is a given. But to say, one has to only follow his own conscience… well isn’t that what atheists say? “Critical Thinking” it’s called, I believe. Funny how none of the celibate old guys you denounce have the same capability as YOU have to do critical thinking. Or the thousands of years of logical analysis the church has developed over time. “They” don’t know everything. But YOU seem to think you do. Pride is the worst of the seven deadly sins. Oh, that religious stuff again. :rolleyes:
Great Post…👍
 
Priest are married to the Church and get to deal with ALL the problems of the flock…
The 50 percent divorce stat is a myth-it only counts if you include people like Liz Taylor and Larry King!

I didn’t insult Priests. They ARE married to the Church and God bless them for it.

Since they can deal with all the problems of the flock, next time your kid has a sickness, bring them to a priest, not a doctor.

Maybe I wasn’t clear. I have huge respect for priests-and they are a vastly important part of my life. HOWEVER-if my car breaks down, or I have a legal issue, I’ll go to a mechanic and a lawyer. If I have cancer, I’ll go to a doctor. If I need my books kept, I’ll go to a bookkeeper. Then, I’ll go to my priest for religious guidance.
 
Funny how none of the celibate old guys you denounce have the same capability as YOU have to do critical thinking. Or the thousands of years of logical analysis the church has developed over time.
Funny thing, though… I’m not the only person, or priest, to think these thoughts… 😉
 
I had a vasectomy last year after our third child was born. We’d used NFP previously & found it completely unsatisfactory. It did help to space the children exactly as desired, but it also taught us to ignore and override any physical feelings we had for each other.
Ummm…NFP didn’t teach you that. All NFP does is provide a system for collecting data. What you do with the data – and how you treat each other in light of the data – is your own doing. If you chose to use the time of avoiding pregnancy to reject one another, that was your own fault. It doesn’t have to be that way, and it’s a shame that the pair of you looked at it that way. The rest of us look at it as a time of courtship/wooing or prayer or sacrifice for the good of our spouse or something else that’s very positive and spiritually fulfilling.
From reading posts on this site, it looks as if I’ve committed a mortal sin…
Possibly. A mortal sin involves three qualifications. You have to do the act willingly (which you did). It has to be a very serious matter (which it is – self-mutilation is always very serious). But you also have to know in advance that it’s a mortal sin, and it sounds like you may not have. I would suggest you talk it over with a priest, because we’re all capable of fooling ourselves into thinking we didn’t know what we were doing, when we really did.
I have no regrets and no intention of reversing it,
Well, that’s a problem. If your conscience was well-formed, you would naturally regret all your sins, even if you only found out afterward how serious the sin was.
…and I should never have Communion again until I change my mind. Is this really the case?
If you don’t regret a sin - mortal or venial - it is always prudent to refrain from Communion and pray diligently and practice other spiritual disciplines (such as making a personal sacrifice, like giving up meat or working in a soup kitchen) until you learn to regret it.
 
Funny thing, though… I’m not the only person, or priest, to think these thoughts… 😉
True. but it’s not humorous.

What is also apparent is that you do not think the rest of us are just in capable of critical thinking and finding the church is right.

Thinking through all of the arguments and life’s experiences, one can find truth if one wishes. It’s not the number of people that believe something that makes it true.
 
True. but it’s not humorous.

What is also apparent is that you do not think the rest of us are just in capable of critical thinking and finding the church is right.

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Your right about this. Alot of people who disagree with the church or are agnostic about certain teachings DO think that people who agree with the church can’t think critically. I admit that, for what it’s worth.
 
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