edwinG:
Hi mercygate,
Why do you, or why does God need or require the very powerful charity of Your Lady and the proclaimed saints?
Edwin, what are you asking? Our Lord requires us to love. Love one another has he has loved us. To be perfect as the Father is perfect. ???
Secondly you realise that in identifying saints you are executing judgment. . . . That means also that those who are not saints have been condemned by the catholic church . . . and therefore by you because you have passed the exercising of your judgment to them, strangers and men. How many people who’s names have been put forward have been refused? . . . You have surrended your God given ability to believe ( and you willl be judged on what you believe) to a magersterium ( a group of men who you dont even know) You put your faith in them and not in the Holy Spirit.
When a cause for canonical sainthood is brought to the Church and the cause is found insufficient, that does not mean that the candidate has been judged to be in Hell. It only means that there is insufficient evidence to allow that person to be publicly accepted as worthy of public recognition as a saint. My Anglican grandmother is very likely to be among the blessed. But she is not canonized for public recognition. Failure to “make it” in a canonization proceeding does not in any way mean that the person is not, in fact, a Saint.
When you say we have given our authority to the men of the Catholic Church, you misstate the case. The Church has been given authority by Christ and subsists in that authority through the power of the Holy Spirit. Catholics do not possess any authority in themselves. We
accept the authority of Jesus Christ to establish his Church on earth in the way he has determined to establish it. We accept, on his authority, not our own, that “the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”
The Magisterium is not “a group of men we don’t even know.” It is the teaching authority of the Church, promised by Christ himself to be anointed with the charism to accomplish that ministry free from error.
Forget the meaning. Can you give me a quote in the bible where someone is tossed out of the kingdom of God or is sent from the kingdom of God to prison.
I believe my explanation was cogent and correct, and I stand by it. If the difference between Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven means something else to you, it might make an interesting thread.
Not so. Jesus preached to those in prison. Judgment is not sealed until Jesus returns. I like what you write. Is this catholic teaching, that at death the soul of those not on the narrow path are kicked out of heaven. Then you are saying that before death we are in heaven.
Look again, and patiently consider the texts on judgment. Don’t take my word for it. We Catholics are always having our chops busted by Protestants who claim that the affirmation of faith is a guarantee of heaven and that heaven starts here. Jesus
does state that we “have” eternal life. No, we are not yet in Heaven with both feet, but to be in Christ is definitely a participation in and foretaste of “heaven.”
Heaven is a physical place, unseen by our eyes, where Jesus dwells etc and where the real world exists. See the tabernacle was made as an exact copy of the one in heaven. Talk more about this mercygate either here or privately.
The Catholic position is that Heaven is a spiritual place – but this gets us all tangled up in a mindset (more typical of fundamentalists than of more orthodox Protestants) which demands corporeality before admitting anything to be “real.” But God is real, and he is not “physical.”
We can’t tell a tare from a member of the kingdom of heaven.
Perhaps not in most cases. But this does not exclude the exceptional cases. And the Church has never officially declared ANYBODY to be in Hell – not even Judas.
Do you really think God is playing the catholic game and telling catholics who are saints and who are not. If Christ says we will have tares then He is not going to reveal them and go against His eternal plan. Doesnt the bible say somewhere we will be surprised at who is and who isnt. If this is so, then He is spoiling the surprise.
You quibble. Again, the fact that we have wheat and tares together does not mean that there is no wheat.
Are all popes given sainthood? How many popes are saints? If not all of them which ones aren’t or if none are why not? If all popes are saints how long does the process take?
Thanks for your responses
walk in love
May Christ grow in your heart
edwinG
This is a simple historical question, not relevant to this thread and easily researched if you truly want the answer. You’re a good guy, EdwinG - please don’t think me dismissive if I ask you to do your own homework on this one.
