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Like I said, we would need any info on this image to find out if the artist believes THe Mother of God to be a God herself. Please describe how this picture proves that Catholics or even some worship Mary as a God. Is the Artist even Catholic?

Please, keep trying!
Go back to the artist of this painting and read his description of his art. He does not understand that Christ came to earth to die. To write that Mary would take the place of Jesus on the cross if she could, is not to understand the mission of Jesus Christ to save sinners from their sins. I think the artist is clueless about the gospel of God’s grace.



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Go back to the artist of this painting and read his description of his art. He does not understand that Christ came to earth to die. To imply that Mary would take the place of Jesus on the cross, is not understand the mission of Jesus Christ to save sinners from their sins.
So why is this belief of his the fault of the Churches teaching on THe Mopther of God. How can you link this artists understanding of God and his Mother with that of a Catholic who prays (asks) to Mary?

Peace!
 
Go back to the artist of this painting and read his description of his art. He does not understand that Christ came to earth to die. To write that Mary would take the place of Jesus on the cross if she could, is not to understand the mission of Jesus Christ to save sinners from their sins. I think the artist is clueless about the gospel of God’s grace.

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Gosh! did the Pope paint that?
 
Go back to the artist of this painting and read his description of his art. He does not understand that Christ came to earth to die. To write that Mary would take the place of Jesus on the cross if she could, is not to understand the mission of Jesus Christ to save sinners from their sins. I think the artist is clueless about the gospel of God’s grace.

http://www.petergullerud.com/pics/MARYCROSS2.jpg

petergullerud.com/showpicture.php?name=MARYCROSS1
How many earthly ‘normal’ mothers have been willing to die to save their children? How many have wished they could suffer in their child’s place?

Why could the same not be true of the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary?

And that is not a dogmatic document, but someone’s personal artistic idea.
 
I would never post the link because I do not endorse it. I just searched the web for an image of Mary as being crucified so we can continue in greater depth about the topic. The image caught your eye, didn’t it?
I can paint an image of George Bush on the cross. It does not support an argument that Catholics replace Jesus with “W.” You have given no support for your conclusion that this image of Mary is intended to do as you suggest. That being said, it is an interesting image with some scriptural support (the heart pieced) that evokes thinking about what is being depicted. It does not inspire me to worship Mary. So, if you contend that Catholic doctrine sanctions Marian adoration, please produce some authoritative texts. Don’t throw up pictures without at least the name of the author, then accuse Catholics of Mary worship. It’s not a very tenable position for you to take. I’ve seen much stronger argument from you. Why are you suddenly taking the low road here?
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reformed:
There are other images of Mary on the cross too.
You’ve presented only two images… Neither of them show Mary affixed to a cross. The first shows Mary holding her infant Son with HIS arms stretched wide in front of a cross - Mary in the background. How is this blasphemous?

The second shows Mary standing in front of a cross - not affixed to it. So, what’s the problem here?
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reformed:
I heard there are places in the world with statues of Mary on the cross next to Jesus on the cross. Is that true?
I’ve heard of the confusion caused by the “Catholicism: Crisis of Faith” video - produced by anti-Catholics. In the film, it is stated that an image of Mary crucified appears in the cathedral in Quito, Ecuador. However, the image appears in a monastery in Quito, and it is not the BVM. The image is of a young woman martyr named St. Liberata, the daughter of a Portuguese prince who refused her father’s wishes that she marry a pagan prince. Her father had her crucified because of her steadfast adherence to her faith. (See Catholic Answers’ The Essential Catholic Survival Guide, pp. 356-357.) James McCarthy - the producer of the video - admitted to the blunder, but did not re-edit his “hit-piece” video. Id. Is this where you heard about images of a crucified Mary? From James McCarthy? If you heard from some other source than McCarthy and his video, could you provide it to me so I could research the claim and respond to this unsupported accusation?

Peace,
-Robert
 
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Are you saying that this is not idol worship?
This person is obviously not Catholic.

He/she is apparently a “Goth”, as a link on his/her site is “gothmaiden.com”.

Reformed, your credibility is rapidly waning, as this kind of infantile display of showing us anti-Christian “artwork” and saying it is Catholic artwork is something that is VERY dishonest.

Wise up, you friendly neighborhood monergist, and be at least authentically Christian in your intentions!
 
I wonder what tradition or Doctrine of the church is the cause for the artist rendering of the crucified frog on display in some ridiculous museum… really!
 
Reformed,

I’m really disappointed in this thread. You’ve been given the Scriptural basis for the prayer Hail Mary.

You’ve not replied to it.

Others have explained the true basis of Marian love to you.

You’ve not replied to it.

Now, you’ve tried to introduce a red herring by pulling up some obscure pictures and ignoring our explanations of stigmata, and the verse in which Paul references joining in suffering with Christ. Now, you’re accusing us of idoloatry.

What are you trying to prove? All you have demonstrated to me is an obstinate refusal to even consider what we have to say.

Please, look back at the Scriptural basis for the Hail Mary. Look up what “pray” means. Ask us about the difference between what Catholics mean by worship and what Protestants mean by worship. Ask us about redemptive suffering. You’ll get a lot farther and understand us better if you’re willing to do such things.

Right now, it just seems like you’re unwilling to even entertain the notion that Catholics might have a reason for what they believe, and simply want to bash us for what you think is “idolatry.”

God bless you on your journey,

❤️ Love is Patient
 
“This painting shows the love of a mother for her son… how Mary would have taken Jesus’ place if she only could…”

This proves two things:
  1. Reformed is offended by love, especially charity; we should pray for him.
  2. Reformed does not read, or cannot comprehend, as he missed the clausitional phrase, “if she only could,” meaning, She couldn’t.
 
Go back to the artist of this painting and read his description of his art. He does not understand that Christ came to earth to die. To write that Mary would take the place of Jesus on the cross if she could, is not to understand the mission of Jesus Christ to save sinners from their sins. I think the artist is clueless about the gospel of God’s grace.

http://www.petergullerud.com/pics/MARYCROSS2.jpg

petergullerud.com/showpicture.php?name=MARYCROSS1
Is this artist even christian? I’ve looked at his web-site. Some of his paintings depict mystical creatures and native american blessing/prayer ceremonies? I’m not sure how you could cite this piece as evidence of any sort of Catholic Marian practice?

Peace,
-Robert
 
“This painting shows the love of a mother for her son… how Mary would have taken Jesus’ place if she only could…”

This proves two things:
  1. Reformed is offended by love, especially charity; we should pray for him.
  2. Reformed does not read, or cannot comprehend, as he missed the clausitional phrase, “if she only could,” meaning, She couldn’t.
Please do not put words in my mouth. You also never answered my question in regards to your signature of:

“Mary intercedes on the behalf of sinners, whether we ask her to or not”.

Please see post #105.
 
Please do not put words in my mouth. You also never answered my question in regards to your signature of:

“Mary intercedes on the behalf of sinners, whether we ask her to or not”.
Have you ever prayed for anyone who had not directly asked for your prayers?
 
PLEASE do not add to scripture. Scripture does NOT say that Mary was a sinner–that’s a modern Protestant addendum. 😦

Nor does Scripture say she stopped being a virgin.

As for the assumption, my goodness, I don’t understand why that would bother you.

And for the unfortunate term co-reedemer (it really does confuse Protestants so much) all is being said is that her cooperation in the will of God was important.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. (Gabriel said)

Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. (So Elizabeth said)

Holy Mary, Mother of God (an ancient, orthodox Christian belief)

Pray for us sinners (all Christians are part of the body of Christ, whether on earth, in purgatory or in heaven, and thus all pray for each other)

Now and at the hour of our death, amen. (Hey, who wouldn’t want someone praying for you when you die?)

God bless,

❤️ Love is Patient
Mary confessed she was a sinner (Luke 1).
 
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