Hail Mary

[Mannyfit75]

I think Jesus said it best.

Matthew 12

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers

While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

I meant to write John’s Gospel, Jesus said, “Behold your mother.”

 

[Robbinson]

I think Jesus said it best.

Matthew 12

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers

While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Indeed - I too will say that my fellow Christians are my spiritual mothers and brothers - yet I still hold my natural mother in special esteem and it is right to so so, as one of the 10 commandments is to honor your mother and father. As Jesus was sinless and followed the law - he most certainly honored Mary as his mother.

Blessings,

Brian

 

[Mannyfit75]

I thought the Catholics from the Eastern Church deny the apostolic succession claimed by the west. Yet, the East and West both claim to be The One True Church. Which is the One True Church?

Eastern Orthodox deny Apostolic Succession. Not Eastern Catholics. The Eastern Catholics are in full communion with Rome. These are uniate Churches who were once formerly Orthodox.

 

[Reformed]

Actually, there has been a group of Protestants who have been reciting the rosary. Some Lutherans have started reciting it such as the Ecumenical Rosary.

Here are some info:

The Ecunemical Rosary was invented by Dennis Di Mauro, a Lutheran layperson and Theology PhD student at the Catholic University of America in Washington, DC.

We discussed this on the Thread of “What has changed in 500 years” that Rome never changes her doctrines. Therefore, Protestants are compromising the Reformation with ecumenical attempts. It may be a good thing for Roman Catholic, but a sad state for Protestants. I think if Protestants want to be more like Roman Catholics…they should go all the way and be Roman Catholics.

 

[Mannyfit75]

We discussed on the Thread of “What has changed in 500 years” that Rome never changes her doctrines. Therefore, Protestants are compromising the Reformation with ecumenical attempts. It may be a good thing for Roman Catholic, but a sad state for Protestants.

Cardinal Newman said it best, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” He was a former Anglican bishop who converted to Catholicism.

 

[Reformed]

I meant to write John’s Gospel, Jesus said, “Behold your mother.”

Maybe Jesus was telling the Apostle John to take care of Mary in this life?

 

[Reformed]

Cardinal Newman said it best, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” He was a former Anglican bishop who converted to Catholicism.

That’s my point. Instead of trying to blend Roman Catholicism with Protestantism, just leave historic Protestantism for Roman Catholicism. Don’t try to blend both because Rome cannot change.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Maybe Jesus was telling the Apostle John to take care of Mary in this life?

It is much deeper than taking Mary into his house. You can take note that when John wrote this part of the Gospel, he did not say John the Apostle. Rather he wrote, and the disciple whom he loved standing near

As you know any follower of Christ is the disciple of Jesus. We can easily put ourselves in John’s place since we do believe Jesus is our brother.

 

[Mannyfit75]

That’s my point. Instead of trying to blend Roman Catholicism with Protestantism, just leave historic Protestantism for Roman Catholicism. Don’t try to blend both because Rome cannot change.

Well, politically speaking it’s the Vatican. Rome is just city the capital of Italy.

Even though the Pope is the Bishop of Rome, his residence is in the Vatican which is itself is an independent city state.

If you do want to describe the Church as a whole. The best description for her is Catholic Church rather than Roman Catholic Church.

Not all Catholics are Romans. There are 22 Rites which are Eastern or Oriental Churches but they are not Latin or Roman Rite.

 

[Linda_Marie]

I think Jesus said it best.

Matthew 12

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers

While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

I asked what you meant with this quote before, but you did not clarify. How do you interpret this?

Are you trying to say that Jesus repudiated and publicly dishonoured and disowned his mother, Mary?

Not so. Rather, He is elevating the status of non-blood related followers who do the Father’s Will to the higher relationship of family that He already has with His mother, Mary, who perfectly did the Father’s Will. He is saying that we, too, can enjoy a familial relationship with Him if we, as Mary did, do the Father’s Will. He is in no way denigrating or casting off His mother.

 

[Reformed]

I asked what you meant with this quote before, but you did not clarify. How do you interpret this?

Are you trying to say that Jesus repudiated and publicly dishonoured and disowned his mother, Mary?

Not so. Rather, He is elevating the status of non-blood related followers who do the Father’s Will to the higher relationship of family that He already has with His mother, Mary, who perfectly did the Father’s Will. He is saying that we, too, can enjoy a familial relationship with Him if we, as Mary did, do the Father’s Will. He is in no way denigrating or casting off His mother.

You are getting into teachings that I cannot receive about Mary. I can only go as far as God speaks through the Scirptures. Mary is highly praised within the context of Luke 1. Scripture bears witness that Mary too was a sinner who rejoices in God as her savior. Only Jesus Christ (fully God and fully man) was sinless and perfectly did the Father’s will. Jesus and Mary are completely different. Jesus is the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, and Mary was a created being to glorify God. They are miles apart. It is very difficult to support the sinlessness of Mary, perpetual virginiity, assumption, and being co-redeemer with Holy Scripture.

 

[Reformed]

Reformed:
Please share the source that is highlighted in red. The other commentaries are fine.

Hi Pixy Dust,

Please provide the link to your posting about John Calvin.

 

[Crystal_H]

I just wanted to point out as I need to leave in a bit… that the Orthodox Church also has a great love for the Blessed Mother. It is not just a Catholic thing… It is a Universal Church thing from the beginning of the church. Only until the late reformation was it even questioned.

Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with you.
Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God ,pray for us sinners,now and at the hour of death.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Scripture bears witness that Mary too was a sinner who rejoices in God as her savior.

Where?

 

[water]

God is indeed Mary’s savior, but God as a Savior, He can save Mary from ever getting stain of sins. He has saved Her that way.

 

[Love_is_Patient]

I think Jesus said it best.

Matthew 12

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers

While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Luke 1:38
Mary said, ‘You see before you the Lord’s servant, let it happen to me as you have said.’ And the angel left her.

Hmm, sounds to me like she did the will of Jesus’ father in heaven.

 

[Love_is_Patient]

You are getting into teachings that I cannot receive about Mary. I can only go as far as God speaks through the Scirptures. Mary is highly praised within the context of Luke 1. Scripture bears witness that Mary too was a sinner who rejoices in God as her savior. Only Jesus Christ (fully God and fully man) was sinless and perfectly did the Father’s will. Jesus and Mary are completely different. Jesus is the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, and Mary was a created being to glorify God. They are miles apart. It is very difficult to support the sinlessness of Mary, perpetual virginiity, assumption, and being co-redeemer with Holy Scripture.

PLEASE do not add to scripture. Scripture does NOT say that Mary was a sinner–that’s a modern Protestant addendum.

Nor does Scripture say she stopped being a virgin.

As for the assumption, my goodness, I don’t understand why that would bother you.

And for the unfortunate term co-reedemer (it really does confuse Protestants so much) all is being said is that her cooperation in the will of God was important.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. (Gabriel said)

Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. (So Elizabeth said)

Holy Mary, Mother of God (an ancient, orthodox Christian belief)

Pray for us sinners (all Christians are part of the body of Christ, whether on earth, in purgatory or in heaven, and thus all pray for each other)

Now and at the hour of our death, amen. (Hey, who wouldn’t want someone praying for you when you die?)

God bless,

Love is Patient

 

[pjbshark]

Do you mind trying to support this practice with the Holy Scirptures?

This is a basic point upon which Catholics and fundamentalist Christians will, I fear, never be able to agree: there is truth beyond that which is in the Bible. Our faith tells us that truth lies in written scripture AND sacred tradition. You want an explanation that is based on the Bible, but the answer lies in tradition.

Remember, tradition was all that was available to the faithful before the NT was compiled.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

Would anybody give me a reason to shift my attention and love from our Triune God to Mary?

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It’s not a matter of shifting your attention. It’s a matter of shifting your perspective. Your spiritual “eyes” remain focused on Christ. Devotion to Mary means you spiritually “move” closer to her without taking your eyes off of her Son. In my experience, this change in perspective brings Christ to the fore and sharpens focus. Mary stands next to me… while we both look to her Son. Perhaps if you look at Marian devotion from this perspective at the start, you will gain a better insight as to how Catholics perceive the devotion.

Peace,
-Robert

 

[Robert_in_SD]

Do you mind trying to support this practice with the Holy Scirptures?

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you (Lk 1:28)
Blessed are you among women (Lk 1:42; 48)
Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus (Lk 1:42)

Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death. (Lk 1:46, 48-49; Lk 2:35)

Listen to Mary’s primary utterance: [5] His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.” (Jn 2:5)

This is what Marian devotion looks to… the abiding faith of Mary, archetype of the Church and Mother to the Savior. She is the primary example of human discipleship.

Peace,
-Robert