Halloween, Harry Potter, prompt concern from occult experts

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paramedicgirl:
I’m not sure what section to post this in. It is an article from a Christian source about how witchcraft is taking over the youth in America.
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Thanks for the laugh.

Anyone who knows anything about the occult knows that this is just bunk.

I have experienced the occult, I used to practice much.

Nothing in the Harry Potter books even remotely resembles any occult practices.

They do not run around waving wands and tossing out latin phrases.

Just too funny.

There is just as much magic in the Lord of the Rings and while I am aware of the Christian and Catholic themes in the book they are not found easily.

The Lord of the Rings is one of the things that lead me into the practice of the occult.

Anything can be bad for you if it is taken in the wrong way. Parents must be parents.

ps I am an ex-paramedic
 
ByzCath said:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Thanks for the laugh.

Anyone who knows anything about the occult knows that this is just bunk.

I have experienced the occult, I used to practice much.

Nothing in the Harry Potter books even remotely resembles any occult practices.

They do not run around waving wands and tossing out latin phrases.

Just too funny.

There is just as much magic in the Lord of the Rings and while I am aware of the Christian and Catholic themes in the book they are not found easily.

The Lord of the Rings is one of the things that lead me into the practice of the occult.

Anything can be bad for you if it is taken in the wrong way. Parents must be parents.

ps I am an ex-paramedic
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Maybe it depends on the individual. What led you into the occult may be harmless to another person. And what you consider “bunk” may endanger another person’s soul. Just my thoughts…
 
ByzCath said:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Thanks for the laugh.

Anyone who knows anything about the occult knows that this is just bunk.

I have experienced the occult, I used to practice much.

Nothing in the Harry Potter books even remotely resembles any occult practices.

They do not run around waving wands and tossing out latin phrases.

Just too funny.

There is just as much magic in the Lord of the Rings and while I am aware of the Christian and Catholic themes in the book they are not found easily.

The Lord of the Rings is one of the things that lead me into the practice of the occult.

Anything can be bad for you if it is taken in the wrong way. Parents must be parents.

ps I am an ex-paramedic
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and would you mind elaborating on your experience in the occult so that we have a better view of what it is like?
 
I got into wicca very briefly as a young woman. Very female oriented,goddess religon and very individualistic. It had rituals, which I have always liked and a type of morality. Modern witchcraft is a religion.

There is **no **religion at all in Harry Potter. Nothing in the book resembles witchcraft, not the way that I practiced it. Of course this was about 16 or 18 years ago.

I don’t think that it was any book that I read that led me to wicca or just an individual search for some power greater then myself.
 
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ByzCath:
ps I am an ex-paramedic
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I am not sure what being an ex-paramedic has to do with this thread.
Maybe you could explain?

Parents are justified to be concerned about a book with such a large following…
The Potter books tout witchcraft, sorcery and magic spells. My estimation is that these books sell occult to some degree. Even the essence of enticement should be frowned upon.
When I have a chance I will take out some literature to support this. Right now I am finishing wood and can’t…later.
 
J.K. Rowling was highly influenced by C.S. Lewis who wrote the Magician Nephew, The Lion The Witch and The Waredrobe, and the rest of the Narnia Series. Which is fansty as well. I have read both and I am not a child. I have found both facinating.
 
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contemplative:
I am not sure what being an ex-paramedic has to do with this thread.
Maybe you could explain?

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The OP’s name is paramedicgirl, so I think that is why ByzCatholic included his previous profession.
 
I enjoy books.
I always enjoyed books.
Not much delighted me more than helping my children learn how to read. I was fascinated to watch them unlock the mystery of the alphabet…sounding their first word. Their lives changed when they learned to read…they were young…not even 4 years old.
It was during those years from nearly their birth till about 16ish that I was always gathering books, books and more books. Not just any books. There was plenty of trashy books to read but I always stayed clear of those.
I am just one mother. A Catholic mother and I can say that what a child absorbs through reading has just as much an impact on their lives as the friends they choose to be close with.

Fr. Gabriel Amorth is not a Great writer. His writing is somewhat disorganized. When I read Fr. Amorth’s book I hear a desparate man’s plea for a change. He recognizes that our Church needs to put a name on evil and cast it away. His books are not ‘scare’ books but rather a plea for change.

I will quote him.
It is amazing how often the Bible warns against witchcraft and sorcers, both in the Old and the New testaments. Scripture warns us that withccraft is one of the most common means used by the devil to bind men to himself and to dehumanize them. Directly or indirectly, withcraft is a cult of Satan. Those who practice any sort of magic believe that they can maniputlate superior powers, but in reality it is they who are manipulated. from An Exorcist Tells His Story by Gabriel Amorth

Considering this and what the Bible teaches us in addition to the fact there are loads and loads of great children’s literature, why would parents rush to buy books that glorify witchcraft and other such evil?

The whole Harry Potter craze is sheer foolishness.

The choice is yours. I do not recommend any book that doesn’t in some way shape or form lean most greatly at teaching children the right way to go…the only way to go…to Jesus…to Loving…and All Good.
 
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The whole Harry Potter craze is sheer foolishness.

The choice is yours. I do not recommend any book that doesn’t in some way shape or form lean most greatly at teaching children the right way to go…the only way to go…to Jesus…to Loving…and All Good.
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:amen:
 
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MommaKat:
J.K. Rowling was highly influenced by C.S. Lewis who wrote the Magician Nephew, The Lion The Witch and The Waredrobe, and the rest of the Narnia Series. Which is fansty as well. I have read both and I am not a child. I have found both facinating.
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:amen:
 
Where is the outcry against Malory’s ‘Le Mort D’Arthur’ or ‘Sir Gawain and the Green Knight’ not to mention all the other Medieval books elevating knight errantry which were supposed to have destroyed Sir Don Quixot’s sanity?

And for the younger crowd…be honest…when you got home after first watching ‘Star Wars’ (the originals in the 70s and 80s) did you not SECRETLY and in the privacy of your room raise your hand, concentrate and try to move the Doors LP sitting on the bookshelf (constructed out of cinder blocks and plywood) towards the lava lamp. Turns out I have as much control of the force and Bill the escapist has over Harry Potter.

Ever since Plato there has been outcries against entertainment. Plato decried the Greek Dramas, St. Bernard hated the Corpus Christi and Morality plays, the puritans and the papacy have banned any number of books. And now the fundamentalists (both Catholic and protestant) now are tilting at windmills, demons whose name is ‘fairy tales’.

You fundamentalists need to get a life. The Catholic Chesterton was a big fan of magical faery tails. The Catholic Sir (and maybe saint) Alec Guinness enjoyed acting in Star Wars. The Catholic Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings and the Simarellion. But I’ll take Chesterton’s advice on this one:

“Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice.” - ILN 9/11/09

“There are two ways of dealing with nonsense in this world. One way is to put nonsense in the right place; as when people put nonsense into nursery rhymes. The other is to put nonsense in the wrong place; as when they put it into educational addresses, psychological criticisms, and complaints against nursery rhymes.” (ILN 10-15-21)

Adam
 
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amarischuk:
Where is the outcry against Malory’s ‘Le Mort D’Arthur’ or ‘Sir Gawain and the Green Knight’ not to mention all the other Medieval books elevating knight errantry which were supposed to have destroyed Sir Don Quixot’s sanity?

And for the younger crowd…be honest…when you got home after first watching ‘Star Wars’ (the originals in the 70s and 80s) did you not SECRETLY and in the privacy of your room raise your hand, concentrate and try to move the Doors LP sitting on the bookshelf (constructed out of cinder blocks and plywood) towards the lava lamp. Turns out I have as much control of the force and Bill the escapist has over Harry Potter.

Ever since Plato there has been outcries against entertainment. Plato decried the Greek Dramas, St. Bernard hated the Corpus Christi and Morality plays, the puritans and the papacy have banned any number of books. And now the fundamentalists (both Catholic and protestant) now are tilting at windmills, demons whose name is ‘fairy tales’.

You fundamentalists need to get a life. The Catholic Chesterton was a big fan of magical faery tails. The Catholic Sir (and maybe saint) Alec Guinness enjoyed acting in Star Wars. The Catholic Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings and the Simarellion. But I’ll take Chesterton’s advice on this one:

“Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice.” - ILN 9/11/09

“There are two ways of dealing with nonsense in this world. One way is to put nonsense in the right place; as when people put nonsense into nursery rhymes. The other is to put nonsense in the wrong place; as when they put it into educational addresses, psychological criticisms, and complaints against nursery rhymes.” (ILN 10-15-21)

Adam
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Adam,
Your choice - read or view
‘Le Mort D’Arthur’ or ‘Sir Gawain and the Green Knight’
‘Star Wars’
and whatever else it is you fancy.

As a mother, I know first hand how literature influences young minds.
There is plenty of enrichening literature available for parents to buy without resorting to trashy seductive evil material which isn’t worth the paper it is printed on.
Go ahead and scoff and insult those parents you so easily condemned. You said…
You fundamentalists need to get a life.
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Parents are obligated to help their children determine and discern what is worth taking the time to read. Unfortunately, it is inevitable that at some point or another a child will experience the rude slap of bad literature on their own. My children actually came to me at those times with book in hand and grimace on face.
Harry Potter books are pure folly and offer nothing of value. It is disheartening to see that so many parents help glorify that which leads to nothing. Harry Potter books lead to nothing. What a waste.

As for getting a Life…
well…
only in the Good Word…
will anyone one get a Good Life.
The Good Word is imparted in many ways but it sure isn’t in the Harry Potter series.
 
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paramedicgirl:
So, bring up Harry Potter on CAF and it is as if I announced I was wearing a veil! 😉
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I would never fault you for wearing a veil. Nor would I fault for not wearing a veil.

My reaction to “Harry Potter = Satanism” (which, I know, wasn’t your claim) is the same as it is anytime I see what I perceive to be parents abrogating their roles as parents. Instead of taking responsibility for the moral training of their children, too many parents want to play the blame game. It’s the school’s fault. It’s the Church’s fault. It’s Harry Potter’s fault. Et cetera.

If I don’t want my children reading/watching Harry Potter, that is my prerogative. If someone else lets their children read/watch Harry Potter, that’s their prerogative. But when I step up and say you can’t let your children read/watch Harry Potter, I’ve overstepped the bounds of my authority.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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contemplative:
Go ahead and scoff and insult those parents you so easily condemned.
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After all, it works well for you, right?
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contemplative:
Harry Potter books are pure folly and offer nothing of value. It is disheartening to see that so many parents help glorify that which leads to nothing. Harry Potter books lead to nothing. What a waste.
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– Mark L. Chance.
 
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amarischuk:
Where is the outcry against Malory’s ‘Le Mort D’Arthur’ or ‘Sir Gawain and the Green Knight’ not to mention all the other Medieval books elevating knight errantry which were supposed to have destroyed Sir Don Quixot’s sanity?

And for the younger crowd…be honest…when you got home after first watching ‘Star Wars’ (the originals in the 70s and 80s) did you not SECRETLY and in the privacy of your room raise your hand, concentrate and try to move the Doors LP sitting on the bookshelf (constructed out of cinder blocks and plywood) towards the lava lamp. Turns out I have as much control of the force and Bill the escapist has over Harry Potter.

Ever since Plato there has been outcries against entertainment. Plato decried the Greek Dramas, St. Bernard hated the Corpus Christi and Morality plays, the puritans and the papacy have banned any number of books. And now the fundamentalists (both Catholic and protestant) now are tilting at windmills, demons whose name is ‘fairy tales’.

You fundamentalists need to get a life. The Catholic Chesterton was a big fan of magical faery tails. The Catholic Sir (and maybe saint) Alec Guinness enjoyed acting in Star Wars. The Catholic Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings and the Simarellion. But I’ll take Chesterton’s advice on this one:

“Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice.” - ILN 9/11/09

“There are two ways of dealing with nonsense in this world. One way is to put nonsense in the right place; as when people put nonsense into nursery rhymes. The other is to put nonsense in the wrong place; as when they put it into educational addresses, psychological criticisms, and complaints against nursery rhymes.” (ILN 10-15-21)

Adam
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contemplative:
and would you mind elaborating on your experience in the occult so that we have a better view of what it is like?
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deb1 kind of covers it, as for the wicca part. Occult Magic is not religion. Not all the time anyways. It is a set of rituals. Usually in english but some in other languages but I have not seen latin used.
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contemplative:
I am not sure what being an ex-paramedic has to do with this thread.
Maybe you could explain?
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Look at the user name of the OP, paramedicgirl.
Parents are justified to be concerned about a book with such a large following…
The Potter books tout witchcraft, sorcery and magic spells.
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I am sorry but you are wrong. They do not tout witchcraft, sorcery, and magic spells in any way as what is done in the Harry Potter stories resembles the occult in no way. Saying this is the same as saying that Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia tout witchcraft, sorcery, and magic spells.
My estimation is that these books sell occult to some degree. Even the essence of enticement should be frowned upon.
When I have a chance I will take out some literature to support this. Right now I am finishing wood and can’t…later.
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NO there no literature to support it as, again (feel like :banghead: ) as nothing in the Harry Potter books is how the occult is practiced in any way.

Until you can show that people are running around waving wands reciting latin phrases and trying to fly on brooms, its just nonsense to make such a blanket statement.

I think the OP hit the nail on the head when she said,
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paramedicgirl:
aybe it depends on the individual. What led you into the occult may be harmless to another person.
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ByzCath:
NO there no literature to support it as, again (feel like :banghead: ) as nothing in the Harry Potter books is how the occult is practiced in any way.
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Harry Potter books glorify spells & curses. Glorification of witches casting spells and curses for evil is supporting occult.
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It is amazing how often the Bible warns against witchcraft and sorcers, both in the Old and the New testaments. Scripture warns us that withccraft is one of the most common means used by the devil to bind men to himself and to dehumanize them. Directly or indirectly, withcraft is a cult of Satan. Those who practice any sort of magic believe that they can maniputlate superior powers, but in reality it is they who are manipulated. from An Exorcist Tells His Story by Gabriel Amorth

Who is being manipulated? The foolish people who spend their hard earned $$$$ to go and view all that which leads to nothingness. Harry Potter leads to nothing…zilch…zero…naught.
 
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