Harms of Homosexuality.

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felra:
Individuals experience same-sex attractions for different reasons. While there are similarities in the patterns of development, each individual has a unique, personal history. In the histories of persons who experience same-sex attraction, one frequently finds one or more of the following:
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Correlation does not establish causality. Do many homosexual people have psychological issues because they are gay, or are they gay because they have these psychological issues, or are both their orientation and their pschological issues the result of a third factor?

According to the American Psychiatric Association, “Relative patterns of psychiatric illness and wellness among lesbian and gay people as compared to heterosexuals have yet to be completely understood.” The comment occurs during a commentary on the psychologically benefits to homosexual people of being allowed to marry each other, which also comments that “Legal marriage will provide important mental health benefits both to members, or same sex couples and to the wider community of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals (Cabaj & Purcell, 1998). The majority of lesbians and gay men report being in a committed relationship (Bradford & Ryan, 1998; Kurdek, 1995).”
Note the source of both sets of information: NARTH, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. “Therapy” says that they work from the basis that homosexuality is a curable disease, which contrasts markedly with the statement by the American Psychiatric Assocition (idem) to the effect that “All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder” and, regarding ‘therapy’, “The American Psychiatric Association does not currently have a formal position statement on treatments that attempt to change a person’s sexual orientation, also known as areparative or conversion therapy. There is an APA 1997 Fact Sheet on Homosexual and Bisexual Issues, which states that there is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change one’s sexual orientation. The potential risks of reparative therapy are great…”
The American Psychological Association concurs.

Regarding depression, Dr. Niclas Berggren:“there is no reason to think that homosexuals are sadder, on the whole, than others.”

Berggren also quotes Dr. Gregory M. Herek, from the Psychology Department of the University of California at Davis:“The empirical research on adult sexual orientation and molestation of children does not show that gay men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to suggest that molestations of children by adult homosexual men never occur. They do. But molesting children has nothing to do with whether a man is heterosexual or homosexual.”
On related topics, only 5-10% of HIV infections worldwide are a result of male-male sexual contact, according to UNAIDS, which nevertheless directly links discrimination against homosexuality with the proliferation of HIV infection, because of the resultant concealment of homosexual activity and the concomitant difficulty of generating a safe-sex culture within an underground community.

For a range of further sources, look here (although some of the links no longer connect), and at the extensive bibliography here. It tends to be rather difficult to locate any information which is not either anti-homosexual, from various church or “family values” groups, or pro-homosexual, from various “gay rights” groups, although there is the interesting crossover of the Christian gays. If you want facts from a professional medical source, apart from the APA, there are also the NIH and Stanford.
 
Mystophilus said:
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Correlation does not establish causality
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Correlation that is statistically significant establishes probability, which is what all research and empirical analysis is all about. Scientific studies report statistically significant correlations, and use pre-fix adjectives to assign general emphasis of statisitcal significance. Of course everyone is an individual, that there is always made allowance for the exceptions (std deviations of error) and these are always reported in every study. Your attempt to discredit valid and sound studies if telling of a biased agenda.
Do many homosexual people have psychological issues because they are gay, or are they gay because they have these psychological issues, or are both their orientation and their pschological issues the result of a third factor?
I will break it down simply for you: “Homosexual people”, more properly and respecfully stated as “persons who identify as possesing a homosexual attraction”, have “psychological issues”. Homosexual orientation is but a symptom of an underlying psychological disorder. Being “gay”, more properly and respectfuly stated as “a person choosing to enage in and give lifestyle expression to their SSA”, as studies have statistically shown, incur a higher rate of mental health issues/psychological pathologies, than the rest of the general population. Again, your attempt to obfuscate is telling of underlying biased agenda.
, “Relative patterns of psychiatric illness and wellness among lesbian and gay people as compared to heterosexuals have yet to be completely understood.” The comment occurs during a commentary on the psychologically benefits to homosexual people of being allowed to marry each other, which also comments that"Legal marriage will provide important mental health benefits both to members, or same sex couples and to the wider community of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals (Cabaj & Purcell, 1998). The majority of lesbians and gay men report being in a committed relationship (Bradford & Ryan, 1998; Kurdek, 1995)."

This is not even a serious comment. Anyone with a minimal investigation or historical familiarity with APA knows that they have caved in to the gay activists. Here are few samplings regarding the same:

APA Research is Increasingly Radical, Anti-Family
The American Psychological Association has been publishing research which supports the values of radical feminists, gay activists, and even advocates of the
APA Promotes Policies Opening the Way to Same-Sex Marriage
The American Psychological Association is using its financial resources to promote policies that will open the way to same-sex marriage. APA’s Public Policy
APA’s Society for the Study of Gay Issues Urges Psychologists To
APA
’s Society for the Study of Gay Issues Urges Psychologists To Become Political Activists. May 7, 2004 - The Division 44 Newsletter, (Spring,
www.narth.com/docs/urges.html - 10k - [Cached](http://64.233.161.104/u/NARTH?q=cache<img src=) - Similar pages
 
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Note the source of both sets of information: NARTH, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. “Therapy” says that they work from the basis that homosexuality is a curable disease
, which contrasts markedly with the statement by the American Psychiatric Assocition (idem) to the effect that “All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder” and, regarding ‘therapy’,

“The American Psychiatric Association does not currently have a formal position statement on treatments that attempt to change a person’s sexual orientation, also known as areparative or conversion therapy. There is an APA 1997 Fact Sheet on Homosexual and Bisexual Issues, which states that there is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change one’s sexual orientation. The potential risks of reparative therapy are great…”

The American Psychological Association concurs.

A majority does not mean right. I will stick with a moral understanding of man made in the image and likeness of God as the basis for determining pathology and political correctness. Please …again, more of your gay agenda stuff.

Regarding depression, Dr. Niclas Berggren:“there is no reason to think that homosexuals are sadder, on the whole, than others.”

Berggren also quotes Dr. Gregory M. Herek, from the Psychology Department of the University of California at Davis:

“The empirical research on adult sexual orientation and molestation of children does not show that gay men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to suggest that molestations of children by adult homosexual men never occur. They do. But molesting children has nothing to do with whether a man is heterosexual or homosexual.”

More propaganda in service of the gay friendly agenda …

On the Pedophilia Issue: What the APA Should Have Known
When it published a study which found little or no harm in consensual man-boy
sex, the American Psychological Association should have considered the agenda www.narth.com/docs/whatapa.html - 17k - Cached - Similar pages
For a range of further sources, look here
(although some of the links no longer connect), and at the extensive bibliography here. It tends to be rather difficult to locate any information which is not either anti-homosexual, from various church or “family values” groups, or pro-homosexual, from various “gay rights” groups, although there is the interesting crossover of the Christian gays. If you want facts from a professional medical source, apart from the APA, there are also the NIH and Stanford.

Spare us Catholics your gay agenda with your gay agenda citations. I see that you have come out of the closet fully unveiled as the homosexual apologists that you are. I pray for your conversion to the Truth. In the meantime, spare us your lies, which all stem from the father of lies (satan), and only lead others to destruction, despair, and away from the knowledge of salvation that is Jesus Christ.
 
being gay is fine and dandy.

if you want to know the reality of it, go to a gay bar and chat to some gay people.

if you say you say you thought some real contact would be worth its weight in gold, because these notice boards are filled with chinese whispers and strange fantasies about gay peope, you might find that you are welcomed for your courage .

I suggest the fantasists and whisperers just make things up amongst themselves while you are out.
 
I’ve stated before and I’ll stae again, same-sex attraction may be a disorder but there is no requirement for the laity with the condition to spend money to reverse it. A good spiritual director who is knowledgable of Church teaching and an avid prayer life will keep the temptaions at bay enough to get one safely home.:cool:
 
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felra:
Spare us Catholics your gay agenda with your gay agenda citations. I see that you have come out of the closet fully unveiled as the homosexual apologists that you are. I pray for your conversion to the Truth. In the meantime, spare us your lies, which all stem from the father of lies (satan), and only lead others to destruction, despair, and away from the knowledge of salvation that is Jesus Christ.
So, anything which says that homosexuality is not evil is therefore itself evil? Okay, got it. 👍
 
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2perfection:
being gay is fine and dandy.

if you want to know the reality of it, go to a gay bar and chat to some gay people.

if you say you say you thought some real contact would be worth its weight in gold, because these notice boards are filled with chinese whispers and strange fantasies about gay peope, you might find that you are welcomed for your courage .

I suggest the fantasists and whisperers just make things up amongst themselves while you are out.
I don’t have to go to a gay bar, I just go to church. More than a third of our members are gay. Our minister is gay.

Don’t worry Felra, not a Catholic church.

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Mystophilus:
So, anything which says that homosexuality is not evil is therefore itself evil? Okay, got it. 👍
Absolutely! anything that would contradict the most obvious truth that homosexuality is disordered is disordered. I mean, even a child can see this.
 
Way back in the day, millions of gay and marginal/asexual guys married women and had families, somehow. Oh, I know, they were so miserable…but now, most of them come out as gays and don’t even try to be straight, so there are a lot of women going without! A close friend of mine who never married frankly said many times that she preferred gay guys because they were into movies & musicals like she is and she didn’t care much about sex anyway. In the old days she could have found the Right One. Kinda sad actually.

Seriously. I’m serious!!
 
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caroljm36:
Way back in the day, millions of gay and marginal/asexual guys married women and had families, somehow. Oh, I know, they were so miserable…but now, most of them come out as gays and don’t even try to be straight, so there are a lot of women going without! A close friend of mine who never married frankly said many times that she preferred gay guys because they were into movies & musicals like she is and she didn’t care much about sex anyway. In the old days she could have found the Right One. Kinda sad actually.

Seriously. I’m serious!!
There’s hope for me yet. I’ve practiced celibacy my whole life simply because I never wanted to act out on inner feelings.😃
 
As for all this about the ‘dangerous lifestyle’ of homosexuality, does anyone ever stop think why homosexuals are more likely to commit crime and to have drugs, and whatever else some research shows? Maybe it is because people thorw them out of civilised society like bad apples, they already write them off as the undesireables of this age, if homosexuals were given a fair chance at life without constantly being investigated and having new ‘facts about their orientation’ thrown at them, they then may be less inclined to go and commit crimes etc.

There has also been alot of use of disorder:
The particular orientation or inclination of the homosexual person is not a moral failing. An inclination is not a sin. An inclination towards acts which are contrary to the teaching of the Church has, however, been described as “objectively disordered.” The word “disordered” is a harsh one in our English language. It immediately suggests a sinful situation, or at least implies a demeaning of the person or even a sickness. It should not be so interpreted. First, the word is a term belonging to the vocabulary of traditional Catholic moral theology and philosophy. It is used to describe an inclination which is a departure from what is generally regarded to be the norm. The norm consists of an inclination towards a sexual relationship with a person of the opposite sex and not between persons of the same sex. Being a homosexual person is, then, neither morally good nor morally bad; it is homosexual genital acts that are morally wrong. Secondly, when the Church speaks of the inclination to homosexuality as being “an objective disorder” (PC para.3), she does not consider, of course, the whole personality and character of the individual to be thereby disordered. Homosexual people, as well as heterosexual people, can, and often do, give a fine example of friendship and the art of chaste loving.
 
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Libero:
As for all this about the ‘dangerous lifestyle’ of homosexuality, does anyone ever stop think why homosexuals are more likely to commit crime and to have drugs, and whatever else some research shows? Maybe it is because people thorw them out of civilised society like bad apples, they already write them off as the undesireables of the age, if homosexuals were given a fair chance at life without constantly being investigated and having new ‘facts about their oreintation’ thrown at them, they then may be less inclined to go and commit crimes etc.

There has also been alot of the use of disorder:
Yes, society is to blame. The same thing goes for wife beaters, child sex abusers, drug attacks, tax cheats, pornographers, calumniators, detractors, wife swappers, gamblers, alcoholics, lusters, fornicators, terrorists, kidnappers, people who kick dogs…
 
Please fix, read my post again, let me direct you to the appropriate area:
they then may be less inclined to go and commit crimes etc.
I never said society was to blame, I implied that society was partly to blame.

All sin is different, it would be best not to generalise, people who kick dogs are not the same as homosexuals.
 
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Riley259:
Please refer to the following article as an example of how dangerous and harmful the homosexual lifestyle can get. It’s eye opening.

boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/09/26/sex_drugs_called_avenue_to_hiv/
And remember, heteroseuxals never take drugs :banghead:

And never get HIV :banghead: :banghead:

You should check-out the dangers of living in a society that strongly believes in God:

timesonline.co.uk/article/0,2-1798944,00.html

Abstract:

Large-scale surveys show dramatic declines in religiosity in favor of secularization in the developed democracies. Popular acceptance of evolutionary science correlates negatively with levels of religiosity, and the United States is the only prosperous nation where the majority absolutely believes in a creator and evolutionary science is unpopular. Abundant data is available on rates of societal dysfunction and health in the first world. Cross-national comparisons of highly differing rates of religiosity and societal conditions form a mass epidemiological experiment that can be used to test whether high rates of belief in and worship of a creator are necessary for high levels of social health. Data correlations show that in almost all regards the highly secular democracies consistently enjoy low rates of societal dysfunction, while pro-religious and anti-evolution America performs poorly.

Source article (watch yourselves…its painful) moses.creighton.edu/JRS/toc/current.html

Actually…

now I think about I read an article that showed a correlation between theism and raod safety. Devout jews we more dangerous pedestrians believing god would protect them. I wish i could source it.
 
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Libero:
Please fix, read my post again, let me direct you to the appropriate area:

I never said society was to blame, I implied that society was partly to blame.

All sin is different, it would be best not to generalise, people who kick dogs are not the same as homosexuals.
Your post was trying to rationalize behavior that should not be done. Society is not the problem.
 
Your post was trying to rationalize behavior that should not be done. Society is not the problem.
Once again that is not the case, are you reading some one elses posts or just making this stuff up? I am stating that there may be alteriar reasons for these associated ‘harms and lifestyles’ that are so often quoted. I am not rationalising or condoning homosexual behaviour. :mad:
 
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Libero:
Once again that is not the case, are you reading some one elses posts or just making this stuff up? I am stating that there may be alteriar reasons for these associated ‘harms and lifestyles’ that are so often quoted. I am not rationalising or condoning homosexual behaviour. :mad:
Let us read the post in question:
As for all this about the ‘dangerous lifestyle’ of homosexuality, does anyone ever stop think why homosexuals are more likely to commit crime and to have drugs, and whatever else some research shows? Maybe it is because people thorw them out of civilised society like bad apples, they already write them off as the undesireables of this age, if homosexuals were given a fair chance at life without constantly being investigated and having new ‘facts about their orientation’ thrown at them, they then may be less inclined to go and commit crimes etc.
Anyone can read it and draw the appropriate conclusions. I have no idea why you are denying your own words?

You stated that people with this condition may be less likely to act out in anti social ways if society did not treat them in such a bad way.
 
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