Has anyone here been excluded form their Children's Mormon Temple Wedding?

[Annie_B]

And Bart, to my understanding, annulments were once bought if the price was right. But I could be wrong about this.

The church will never admit to that However, that is most surely not the case today. Most churches have had behaviors (that have not actually been doctrine usually) that they have changed over time. It used to be that if one comitted suicide, they could not be burried in holy ground. These days, the Catholic church takes a much more enlightened attitude…luckily…

Annie

 

[BartBurk]

Yes, I confused the issue. However, I do think that for those who love again, remarry, to be denied communion is harsh for that person. It is a process of exclusion. But such are rules. My point was that all faiths have their rules. I may not agree with them, but I can respect them.

I believe in many cases divorce can be avoided if the couple is willing to repent. There would be no good reason for the church to encourage divorce by granting it. Of course the Mormon Church does things differently. A man can get divorced in the Mormon Church and remarry without problem. They can do so without getting a temple divorce. The divorced woman is still married to the remarried man in respect to their “eternal” covenant. I know several men who have two simultaneous temple marriages while both wives are living. That seems like a horrible practice to me.

 

[Annie_B]

Yes, I confused the issue. However, I do think that for those who love again, remarry, to be denied communion is harsh for that person. It is a process of exclusion. But such are rules. My point was that all faiths have their rules. I may not agree with them, but I can respect them.

You are right about that. It is sad when they are excluded for any reason be it right or wrong. I just wanted to discuss this topic because it was affecting me and it hurt. I too have been excluded from receiving communion until a declaration of invalidity and a convalidation took place. However, I was ALWAYS welcome to attend Mass and participate to the extent I was able.

Annie

 

[AMDGtoo]

And Bart, to my understanding, annulments were once bought if the price was right. But I could be wrong about this.

Where are you getting such nonsense–another something brought to you by the LDS church?

No, annulments cannot be “bought for the right price”. If there were no impediments present at the time of the wedding vows there can be no Decree of Nullity (more popularly called an annulment)–no amount of costly investigation will make it so.

 

[Annie_B]

Where are you getting such nonsense–another something brought to you by the LDS church?

No, annulments cannot be “bought for the right price”. If there were no impediments present at the time of the wedding vows there can be no Decree of Nullity (more popularly called an annulment)–no amount of costly investigation will make it so.

You are right there. The fact that it actually costs money - sometimes - to get an annulment got that one started I only had to pay $25 for my declaration of invalidity, and that was only to cover the costs of documents etc…I was told that if I could not afford that that they would help me out.

Annie

 

[RebeccaJ]

Where are you getting such nonsense–another something brought to you by the LDS church?

No, annulments cannot be “bought for the right price”. If there were no impediments present at the time of the wedding vows there can be no Decree of Nullity (more popularly called an annulment)–no amount of costly investigation will make it so.

Yeah, the King of England started his own church all because it was more convenient than buying an annulment.

 

[ralphinal]

Yeah, the King of England started his own church all because it was more convenient than buying an annulment.

No. No. No. The Queen had the check book and he did not want her to know what was coming.

 

[Annie_B]

No. No. No. The Queen had the check book and he did not want her to know what was coming.

 

[puzzleannie]

Really? The wedding will need to have been annulled. Then, communion can be received, especially if the marriage was in the catholic church. But if a person was married in a catholic church, and divorced, no communion will be given to that person unless the marriage is annulled.

this is simply not true. a divorced Catholic can receive communion if they are otherwise in the state of grace. A divorced Catholic cannot remarry unless or until a decree of nullity for the prior marriage is received, and cannot remain in communion with the Church if they do remarry w/o annulment.

 

[PaulDupre]

There is a fee to go through the annulment process. That fee does not automatically mean you will receive an annulment as I know people who have gone through the process and been denied. The fee covers the expense of looking into the case. I don’t think you are right.

The fee is to cover the cost of the canon lawyers and other professionals that do the work of the annulment process.

Paul

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

And that was my point. The non-member family members can still see the ring ceremony and attend the reception. The lds temple wedding ceremony is very brief, not like a catholic wedding. The ring ceremony and vows can be longer and much more rewarding for the non-lds members.

And this family was told they are not “good enough” in essence to see their daughter marry.

It is not about the stupid ring ceremony,which is NOTHING but something LDS made up to humor gentile parents. It is not about the reception. It is about seeing your child unite with somebody.

How would LDS feel if they were barred from Catholic churches? Yes, they are banned from the Eucharist,which they don’t even believe. But we allow them into the churchces, and as somebody pointed out, a Mass is not ncessary to be married in the Catholic Church.

It is being told, “Sorry, you’re just not good enough, and we’re taking your child” that is the real pain!

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

But they are excluded from receiving communion. I know catholics who have divorced and will not go to Mass because they can’t receive communion. They are excluded. Is that fair? No. But such are the rules.

Apples and oranges. LDS can be present during Mass, if they choose, and watch others receive the Eucharist. LDS can come see Jesus in the Eucharist, if they choose to do so. Not the same for those who want to attend a temple wedding.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

Really? The wedding will need to have been annulled. Then, communion can be received, especially if the marriage was in the catholic church. But if a person was married in a catholic church, and divorced, no communion will be given to that person unless the marriage is annulled.

And you are an expert on canon law of the Catholic Church? I am sure Deacon Cameron would be interested to know that suddenly, the LDS is proclaiming Catholic canon lawyers!

You have no idea about what you speak! As it currently stands, a civil divorce has no effect on a person’s status in the Church, as long as they do not try to remarry outside the Faith before the decree of nullity has been granted.

http://www.familyministries.org/resources/article.asp?c_id=7&t_id=7&article_id=53

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0103fr.asp

I think that this contradicts you.

No it does not. “Remarry” as in “remarry without an annulment”. The act of a divorce does NOT restrict a person from receiving the Eucharist.

 

[valient_Lucy]

When you were a member, you knew the rules. Eventually you found out the rules. You must have been active at one point in your mormonism. Your daughter is also mormon. She is getting married and you cannot attend. But if you were an active member you could attend. You must have found out the rules **after **you were baptized.

That’s what bothers some people. Why not tell people that, if you convert to the LDS church, and get married in the Temple, that their family will not be permitted to attend the wedding, before a person is baptized?

 

[zaffiroborant]

That’s what bothers some people. Why not tell people that, if you convert to the LDS church, and get married in the Temple, that their family will not be permitted to attend the wedding, before a person is baptized?

Because the very act of excluding people from secret rituals is regarded as suspicious and would discourage people from joining.

 

[steamboat]

My son became a Mormon and was married in the temple. I, of course, his “unworthy” mother was excluded from attending. And, to add insult to injury, he excitedly told me the church had even “given” him a “Mormon family.” I can’t even begin to tell you the hurt I felt. He and I have always been close and we still are, but the hurt of not being able to see him married and know he goes to his Mormon family for dinner and special occasions and considers their children his brothers and sisters still hurts. He doesn’t understand since that is the church rule and why would I be hurt? The church does their best to split up families and they are supposed to be “family oriented.”

 

[Annie_B]

My son became a Mormon and was married in the temple. I, of course, his “unworthy” mother was excluded from attending. And, to add insult to injury, he excitedly told me the church had even “given” him a “Mormon family.” I can’t even begin to tell you the hurt I felt. He and I have always been close and we still are, but the hurt of not being able to see him married and know he goes to his Mormon family for dinner and special occasions and considers their children his brothers and sisters still hurts. He doesn’t understand since that is the church rule and why would I be hurt? The church does their best to split up families and they are supposed to be “family oriented.”

Thank you so much for posting your story! I am very sorry for your pain. I am, however, happy to hear that you and your son are still close. You and your family are in my prayers.

Annie

 

[twopekinguys]

When Annie came on the board she was a mormon defending the faith. This was in December. Now, she is not a mormon and complains about the lds wedding ceremony. The point is: Annie knew the rules. As a member she understood the rules about temple marriage and most likely had no problems with it as an active member.

I have said it before on this thread. I am not an active mormon and so, I could not attend my daughters’ weddings when they do occur. But I know the rules and I will not complain about it when the time comes.

Also, converting to catholicism does not mean that a mormon temple recommend is not valid. If Annie was an active lds member in good standing and has a valid temple recommend she can still go to the temple. However the recommend may not be renewed when the time comes for renewal.

I can’t believe you’re calling Annie out on this. At least Annie is being honest about changing from lds to RCC.

Here are just a few of your quotes from other threads that I have found from looking at your profile.

"I was christened catholic at birth and so technically I am catholic. I converted to mormonism at 18. Now I am back attending Mass for quite a while. I go to confession and take communion. I do believe that the host and wine is the body and blood of Jesus Christ. "

“The mormon community is rather tolerant. They don’t seem to mind that I go to the catholic mass. And my children who are mormons don’t mind either. And when I was posting at the Mormonapologetics site, they didn’t mind either”

“I do consider myself to be catholic. This easter season, I will be with the nuns attending an adoration and together with other catholics and non-catholics we will watch the movie The Passion. Not to mention the easter Mass and other activities that the catholic church will sponsor.”

" I have been more of a social mormon for some decades. But two years ago I began to go to Mass again and met the sisters and great priests. And so, I find myself going back to my catholic roots. But I say no harsh words about the lds church. My daughters are mormons and they are doing fine in the faith. "

“I have given the readings during the Mass among other things.”

“I go to confession and take communion. I do believe that the host and wine is the body and blood of Jesus Christ.”

“As you know LaMar it is not good to deny the Holy Ghost as an LDS member (I am still a member) and so I will not deny my witness to the book of mormon”

Which side of this fence are you going to land on? Annie has made a decision, and that needs to be respected. From what I have seen, she has been honest and above board with the issue.

 

[zaffiroborant]

And that was my point. The non-member family members can still see the ring ceremony and attend the reception. The lds temple wedding ceremony is very brief, not like a catholic wedding. The ring ceremony and vows can be longer and much more rewarding for the non-lds members.

Well the LDS CHI has the following to say about “vows”

*Exchanging rings is not part of the temple marriage ceremony. However, couples may exchange rings after the ceremony in the room where the ceremony takes place. To avoid confusion with the marriage ceremony, couples should not exchange rings at any other time or place in a temple or on temple grounds. However, after their temple marriage, a couple may exchange rings at locations other than the temple. If such an exchange is made, the circumstances should be consistent with the dignity of their temple marriage. The exchange should not appear to replicate any part of the marriage ceremony, and the couple should not exchange vows. …

No other marriage ceremony should be performed following a temple marriage. *

So even this bone of a ceremony is discouraged to say the least.

 

[AMDGtoo]

Let’s just call a spade a spade. The LDS church seeks to force our children to hurt their birth parents if said birth parents are non-LDS or do not have a temple recommend. Rarely do the LDS care (or even see that their actions are hurtful) and it is amazing that all those hurt (the parents and often the very children who were forced to hurt them) don’t need to be hospitalized for extreme depression!