Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?

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SuperLuigi said:
You know, Xantippe, I’ve tried to extend to the olive branch to you on here, but all you do is slap it away. Go down with the ship if you wish.
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Where was the olive branch?

And for that matter, what ship is it?

The ship I’m willing to go down on is–I don’t feel like I have anything in common with racists and woman-hating creeps. Nothing is worth making common cause with people who see me as essentially livestock or who judge people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.
SuperLuigi said:
Just keep in mind that when you others give people advice, your comments on here are duly noted.
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So you do pay attention to commenting history. Good!
 
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@Mi_ROSE

I don’t believe in the ferocity of your argument. What you have said and the way you said it is nothing new or courageous. Just a few posts back, people are on the verge of gushing for Islam just like what happens on the political forums or twitter.

So you can take everything you just said and when the right demographic does it, you’ll silence yourselves and start the excuse-making process.

The metoo movement doesn’t have the will or frankly the guts to take on or do what it says it wants to. They go after decent men as much if not more than abusive men because they are available, unsure and easier to target.

I’ve seen all I need to. I wouldn’t trust the metoo movement anymore than I trust anyone else on-line. I know they wouldn’t have my back.
PetraG said:
If you would be willing to put up with far less in our place,
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That’s the issue no one can seem to come to terms with. A lot of women and men WERE and ARE willing to put up with it.

BTW, being a victim of sexual violence, harassment or rape does NOT give you extra moral authority.
 
Xantippe said:
Nothing is worth making common cause with people who see me as essentially livestock or who judge people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.
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Unless, of course, they have a high place on the ladder of perpetual victimhood.
Xantippe said:
The ship I’m willing to go down on is–I don’t feel like I have anything in common with racists and woman-hating creeps.
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So who’s the racist?
 
Ferocity? No onee has accused me of that in a while. Good to know you think of my arguments that way.
 
Xantippe said:
There’s apparently a hashtag now for #MosqueMeToo.
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Hmmm…let’s see hashtag for anonymous accounts versus working openly with Linda Sarsour and feminists caving to Islam at every turn.

Yeah, a hashtag sure has all those Muslim men who abuse women shaking in their shoes…
Mi_Rose said:
Ferocity? No onee has accused me of that in a while. Good to know you think of my arguments that way.
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I’m not, as the argument wasn’t yours to begin with.
 
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You’ll get over it.

The alternative is to act like a drama queen, post all over the internet for the next 20 years how you’re a victim and can’t get out of the situation even though you’re a mentally competent strong woman in a free country, get a hashtag on twitter with a verified account with 500 followers for having the right liberal opinions (ie Catholicism = bad, Islam = good, don’t agree = raaayyyycisssstt) and get people to post who overstate how much they care or just pretend to altogether.
 
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If my over 85 year old self will be able to post all over the internet or whatever we use then to communicate.
But I may still never get over it.
 
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Xantippe said:
For example, HarryStotle wanting everything to be a police matter or ignored…even though sexual harassment isn’t a criminal offense.
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And someone (who shall be nameless) reading everything written in the worst possible light in order to bolster her own perspective should also have raised your hackles, but it hasn’t, has it?

Mirror, mirror.

What I said was – to reiterate – if the matter is serious enough that someone should be fired or lose their livelihood, perhaps it should be dealt with by the law. If not it should be dealt with at a local level by those in position to do so.

My exact words:
…make the punishment fit the crime and be clear what does or does not constitute criminal or even unacceptable behaviour.
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Look, if the infraction is serious enough to get you fired and lose your livelihood or position over it, then it should be prosecuted.
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I am a believer in the principle of subsidiarity. Local issues and problems should be dealt with at a local level by proper authorities.
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I don’t remember saying “police matter or ignored.”

At least be honest when (mis)representing what others have said.

Granted you brought up cases like a “babysitter that I think is not doing a good enough job.” Should she be prosecuted for being lazy and inattentive? That is a matter of someone not doing what s/he was hired to do. That certainly doesn’t exemplify the type of “infraction” we were discussing, does it? We weren’t speaking either of incompetence or negligence, were we?

You even admitted the case of a “hotel concierge” who has a habit of using racial slurs to guests. You asked, “Would he keep his job?” And answered, “Probably not.”

You seem to have sidestepped the question of whether he should keep his job. What do you think? Should he be fired? Should he be blackballed and never work again? Or should the employer or fellow workers seriously attempt to convince him of the problem with the way he treats others? Subsidiarity.

Does all of that REDUCE TO “police matter or be ignored?”

Mirror, mirror.
 
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Do you think we’re saying things here just to rile people up, or to make changes so people in the future don’t have to go through what we and others did?

A lot of your summary seems to be rather more based on stereotypes rather than actual truth (and of course the disparaging comment on “asking for links” - that rather sounds like you can say anything you like and if someone disagrees it’s clearly because they secretly know you’re right).

The fact that other people in the world have it worse doesn’t affect whether what’s here and now is right. I can’t actually do much about changing the culture in Congo and South Africa. (Sweden is a bit of a red herring - their reporting system is sufficiently different that it generates a lot more reports than other countries would generate given the same facts.) I can have some effect on the culture around me, because I actually live here and interact with other people who live here.

Plenty of us got stupid remarks from people claiming Catholic, or at least conservative Christian values, too. As several of us have pointed out multiple times, the conservative Christian movement is often a hotbed of “she’s probably lying because she doesn’t want to seem slutty.” Or of insinuations that a woman who crosses any line that anyone thinks in hindsight she shouldn’t have crossed, is fully responsible for everything that happens afterwards. (Think “she wore a skirt that’s too short” or “she agreed to kiss him”.)

You’ll note a lot of the ladies on this thread are either married or have boyfriends. Frankly, I’m mostly single this long due to vocational discernment - I’ve had decent offers before. I’ll take the cats though. (And incidentally I attended the wedding of the one super-liberal crazy cat lady I know, so that doesn’t scare men off either.)

Still not really sure what Islam has to do with anything. It seems to be functioning as a generalized “anyone who agrees with a liberal point is hypocritical, because some Muslims do these things, and liberals support some Muslims.” (FYI: most of us are perfectly ok with holding Muslims to account for what they actually do. I’m just not ok with acting like Muslims in general are all suspect.)

At the end of the day - I don’t think the world as you’re presenting it is at all accurate to the truth of how the world actually is. And I think a lot of men’s rights people have set it up so that anyone who claims their viewpoint is wrong is lying to try to gain something, so there can never be a credible challenge because any claim that opposes them is automatically not credible.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Wikipedia. Odyssey.

Woof…
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Ad hominem.

That’s like saying we should believe ZERO #metoo stories because they are all on Twitter.

For the record, this post came in less than a minute after I posted 5 links, which is the most I have ever posted in one box.
 
SuperLuigi said:
That’s like saying we should believe ZERO #metoo stories because they are all on Twitter.
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I can also find articles by randos on Odyssey which speak to my viewpoints, but I don’t need to. I, Xan, DarkLight, and those women on Twitter are speaking from direct experience, but that doesn’t seem to matter to you.
 
There is a difference between being a “good man” as defined by an inherently misandrist ideology and being good at being a man. I will always opt for the latter.
 
We were discussing the impracticality of “affirmative consent”. A feminist rewriting history is hardly surprising though.
 
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