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jmcrae
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It’s never okay to verbally abuse or threaten anyone. It doesn’t matter what they can or can’t “handle” - it’s about respect for one’s human dignity.
Have you ever gotten in trouble at your parish for doing what's right?
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Walking_Home
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If the following is now passing for verbal abuse—no wonder we are raising generations that cannot handle life.
“Don’t you EVER treat the Blessed Sacrament as you just did! Not ever!”
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Brother_John
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When said while physically slamming a key in front of them, yes.
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jmcrae
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All that person is going to remember is the anger. There are better ways to confront these situations, and to communicate about them in a civilized way. The same words could have been used in a firm but gentle tone, rather than screaming right into her face while throwing the Tabernacle key against the table really hard.
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Walking_Home
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I do not condone physically/verbally abusing a women/men. But if what the OP did is now consider falling into the realm of abuse–we are raising generations with no ability to handle what life will throw at them. So one should not be surprised – that when they have to face life head on— some explode.
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Walking_Home
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We all face anger at some point in our lives. We get passed it.
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Brother_John
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Right On !
How anyone could condone the behavior of the OP is just beyond me. Some people must think they’ve been appointed by Rome to be the Liturgical Police or something.
Why doesn’t the OP train to be a EMHC so they can show everyone how to do it “properly”? Probably too busy out in their pew looking for something else to complain about.
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MrS
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Just curious…
Father Tom, are you a father (of children), or a Father like in priest.
Brother John, are you a brother (like “brothers and sisters”) , or are you in a religious life?
I don’t really understand some of your posts in lite of being clergy or religious.
And Walking_Home, I saw that you pointed out “That’s the very reason we are encouraged to receive Holy Communion under both species” Good, I wondered why that comment was included.
I would then ask… where are we encouraged to do that? It certainly could not be with an understanding that communion is then “more complete”.
Perhaps the reason is so that more EMHCs are “required”… and then I could have a reason to get into trouble, as per the OP.
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Father Tom, are you a father (of children), or a Father like in priest.
Brother John, are you a brother (like “brothers and sisters”) , or are you in a religious life?
I don’t really understand some of your posts in lite of being clergy or religious.
And Walking_Home, I saw that you pointed out “That’s the very reason we are encouraged to receive Holy Communion under both species” Good, I wondered why that comment was included.
I would then ask… where are we encouraged to do that? It certainly could not be with an understanding that communion is then “more complete”.
Perhaps the reason is so that more EMHCs are “required”… and then I could have a reason to get into trouble, as per the OP.
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Magnum_V8
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Well, maybe, maybe not…but I’m not trying to show off. Its a matter of personal devotion and spiritual fulfillment. I’m not going to water-down my faith for anyone, even at the risk of seeming “proud” to others. One of my most favorite quotes of Pope Benedict: “Christ is not looking for tired conformists, but witnesses of courageous faith, those who burn in the fire of his love.”You must be very proud…
Not to mention:
Lex orandi, lex credendi.
"In the year 422 A.D. Pope St. Celestine enunciated an axiom in sacred theology. “Legem credendi statuit lex orandi.” From the Latin, translated literally it means “the rule of prayer determines the rule of faith.” In other words, “the way we pray shows what we believe.”
Facta non verba – Deeds, not words.
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Cat
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Take up the issue with our first Pope:
"Ye husbands, likewise dwelling with them according to knowledge, giving honour to the female as to the weaker vessel, and as to the co-heirs of the grace of life: that your prayers be not hindered. " I Peter 3: 7, Douay Rheims Bible.
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ac_claire
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Some thoughts:
But, why do you respond in Latin? You were describing the OF.
Cool that you prefer the Latin, but why cause a disruption, and to what end? It just sounds like you’re making up your own rules here.
It would really bug me to have to stand during the EP. I’d kneel, too.
But, why do you respond in Latin? You were describing the OF.
Cool that you prefer the Latin, but why cause a disruption, and to what end? It just sounds like you’re making up your own rules here.
Ok. What’s unorthodox about the ushers in your example? I’m just curious about this one; I don’t understand.
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Beautiful
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When the people in the synagogue heard this,
they were all filled with fury.
They rose up, drove him out of the town,
and led him to the brow of the hill
on which their town had been built,
to hurl him down headlong.
But he passed through the midst of them and went away.
Luke 4:30
I was lead to the brow of the hill a few times in my native land.
they were all filled with fury.
They rose up, drove him out of the town,
and led him to the brow of the hill
on which their town had been built,
to hurl him down headlong.
But he passed through the midst of them and went away.
Luke 4:30
I was lead to the brow of the hill a few times in my native land.
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Magnum_V8
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Why do I respond in Latin? Well, I should have clarified: I don’t respond loudly enough for the people around me to hear. I keep it just audible enough for myself. I’m not making up my own rules. Latin in the official language of the Church and I prefer it, liturgically speaking, of course. Is there a Canon Law or order from the Vatican that I am to respond in the vernacular? Honestly, I’m asking.
What’s unorthodox about the ushers? Well, I’ve seen the ushers wave their arms absurdly to let the people know, “Its your turn to get in line.” Not to scandalize anyone, but someone I know that felt she was not worthy enough to go to Communion a few isolated times was tapped repeatedly on the shoulder, in order to let her know, “its your turn.” And a woman going through RCIA right now was obnoxiously “encouraged” to get in the Communion line. Luckily she knows better.
We should go to Communion when we feel prepared, not when “its our turn.” I’m not saying that the priest should wait for us, but if I need or want another minute of preparatory prayer, then why should I be nudged to get in line. Every traditional parish, not even TLM only, that I’ve attended has not had a choreographed Communion line.
Thanks for the questions.
edit: I probably should have given my reason for the ushering thing more clearly: I don’t want to play the part of basically telling the people, “okay, you have to get in line now.”
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Heckesh
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Are you intentionally lying about what I posted? :ehh: The Church refers to that as calumny. Just so you don’t wiggle your way out of this one with more fabrications, let’s take a look at what I actually said. From my original posting:Are you now denying that you did, after boasting about it for 5 pages, now?
In response you came-up with:
To which I asked:
to which you responded:
I made no mention of “screaming” in anyone’s face nor did I throw anything. Either you’re confused about the OP or you are deliberately making false and malicious statement about me.Are you now denying that you did, after boasting about it for 5 pages, now?
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Heckesh
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There you go again. I didn’t threaten anyone, nor did my comments suggest I did. I stridently told her never to do it again.
Why the fabrications?
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Heckesh
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No, no. I used communion under both species as an example of “sign value.”
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benedictgal
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Yes. It’s not been a pretty experience, but, if I had to do it all over again, I would without batting a mascara-laden eyelash.
There are some things that are worth fighting for, like Rhett told Scarlett. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is my Tara.
My dad is having his share of woes. His pastor refused to go administer Last Rites to six dying residents of a senior citizens home (located across the street from the church). My dad repeatedly asked his pastor to visit these elderly folks. The pastor never did and they died (mind you, it wasn’t a lump sum–it was sporadic). My dad learned that he never went through the members of the deceaseds’ families. He had also asked his pastor to visit the senior citizens’ home to administer the Sacrament of Penance to the shut-ins so that they could have the opportunity for confession. He never went. The elderly petitioned the pastor to have another priest come in his place to celebrate Mass at their retirement home. He refused.
My father wrote him a letter listing all of his concerns and all of the other abuses committed in the parish (including the pastor singing kiddie songs in lieu of the penitential rite–and, while doing so, walking around with a portable mike and shoving it under a kid’s chin to get them to sing). The pastor went billigerent. My dad then sent a certified letter to the bishop. In the two months since he has sent his letter, there has been no response.
He has since taken his complaint to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.
There are some things that are worth fighting for, like Rhett told Scarlett. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is my Tara.
My dad is having his share of woes. His pastor refused to go administer Last Rites to six dying residents of a senior citizens home (located across the street from the church). My dad repeatedly asked his pastor to visit these elderly folks. The pastor never did and they died (mind you, it wasn’t a lump sum–it was sporadic). My dad learned that he never went through the members of the deceaseds’ families. He had also asked his pastor to visit the senior citizens’ home to administer the Sacrament of Penance to the shut-ins so that they could have the opportunity for confession. He never went. The elderly petitioned the pastor to have another priest come in his place to celebrate Mass at their retirement home. He refused.
My father wrote him a letter listing all of his concerns and all of the other abuses committed in the parish (including the pastor singing kiddie songs in lieu of the penitential rite–and, while doing so, walking around with a portable mike and shoving it under a kid’s chin to get them to sing). The pastor went billigerent. My dad then sent a certified letter to the bishop. In the two months since he has sent his letter, there has been no response.
He has since taken his complaint to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.
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