Have you read the Book of Mormon?

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The following is proof that I do research the LDS. Do you know about these changes?

The 1830 Book of Mormon - Summary of Changes

There are a few changes which affect the narrative of the Book of Mormon itself. These are summarised below.
  1. Changes to the Godhead
It appears that Smith originally had a less than perfect understanding of the Trinity as taught by his Protestant peers. The original Book of Mormon made some startling claims for the divinity of Jesus Christ, much closer to Sabellianism than Trinitarianism. Consider the following -

I Nephi 11:18 And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin which thou seest, is the mother of God, after the manner of flesh.

I Nephi 11:21 And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father!

I Nephi 11:32 …And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Everlasting God, was judged of the world…

I Nephi 13:40 …that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Saviour of the world…

In Each of the above instances, the text was corrected by adding the phrase ‘son of’ in the appropriate places.

It appears that after beginning this revision, Smith realised that he would have to make a very large number of changes to the text, and thus abandoned the project.
  1. Changing Benjamin to Mosiah
The original text of Mosiah 21:28 reads:

And now Limhi was again filled with joy, on learning from the mouth of Ammon that king Benjamin had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings; yea, and Ammon also did rejoice.

The problem, of course, is that king Benjamin was dead by this time (Mosiah 6:5). This reference was changed to ‘Mosiah’ in the 1837 and subsequent editions. However, it appears that this was not the only place where such a change was made. The original text of Ether 4:1 reads:

…and for this cause did king Benjamin keep them, that they should not come unto the world until after Christ shew himself unto his people.

Again, this was changed to ‘Mosiah’ in subsequent editions. The fact that there are two such changes leads one to speculate that Smith may possibly have had a slightly different course for the narrative in mind. Recall that the 116 lost pages included the story of king Benjamin. It is possible that in this version king Benjamin lived longer. Smith may have got confused between the two versions of the narrative, and inadvertently killed off his protagonist prematurely while rewriting the lost pages.
  1. Introducing Christ
The original text of I Nephi 12:18 reads:

…yea, even the word of the justice of the Eternal God, and Jesus Christ, which is the Lamb of God…

The problem here is that the name ‘Jesus Christ’ was not revealed to the Nephites until II Nephi 10:3.

Wherefore, as I said unto you, it must needs be expedient that Christ–for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name–should come among the Jews…

In order to correct this contradiction, the text of I Nephi 12:18 was changed to read ‘Messiah’ instead of ‘Jesus Christ’.

As an aside, this whole episode reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of the word ‘Christ’ on the part of Joseph Smith. ‘Christ’ and ‘Messiah’ are actually synonymous (see John 1:41), the former being derived from Greek, and the latter from Hebrew. ‘Messiah’ is used correctly in the Book of Mormon as a title, but ‘Christ’ is used incorrectly as a proper name, a fairly common mistake among those not fully acquainted with the etymology of the word. The statement in II Nephi 10:3 thus actually makes very little sense.
  1. Baptism in the Old Testament
The original text of I Nephi 20:1 reads:

Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel; yet they swear not in truth, nor righteousness.–

The phrase ‘or out of the waters of baptism’ was inserted in the 1840 edition.
  1. Seraphim or Seraphims
The original text of II Nephi 16:2 reads:

Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

This is a quotation from the King James Version of the Bible, specifically Isaiah 6:2. In a rare grammatical mistake, the KJV has an incorrect plural for ‘seraph’. The correct plural, of course, should be ‘seraphim’, as the later text of II Nephi 16:2 reads. What this indicates is that the Book of Mormon has a much deeper reliance on the King James Version than Mormon scholars would like to admit.
  1. Covering up Camorah
Critics have often pointed out that there is a suspicious link between the hill Cumorah and the angel Moroni, and the Comoros Islands off the eastern coast of Mozambique, the capital of which is Moroni, and has been since before the Book of Mormon. Defenders of the Book of Mormon claim that this is only a coincidence, and that ‘Comoros’ in fact has very little correspondence with ‘Cumorah’. The fact of the matter is that prior to the French occupation of the late 1860’s, Comoros was known by its Arabic name, Camora (sometimes also spelled Comora). It is thus more than a little suspicious to note that the 1830 Book of Mormon uniformly spells ‘Cumorah’ as ‘Camorah’. See, for example, the original text of Mormon 6:2:

And I, Mormon, wrote an epistle unto the king of the Lamanites, and desired of him that he would grant unto us that we might gather together our people unto the land of Camorah, by the hill which was called Camorah, and there we would give them battle.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Question ~~~ does anyone know of any short articles about mormonism? I just want to read the basic facts ~~ i know this has probably been asked and answered numerous times but i don’t want to take the time to research it ~~ i need it right away for something i’m doing

thanks
I’m sorry to say that there’s no such thing, not if you really want to understand it fully. The changes in the church’s history and doctrine are complex and cover almost 200 years.

If you’re more specific as to what you need, maybe we can better help you to find what you’re looking for.

For books that give as comprehensive overview as possible on such a broad topic, I’d recommend Mormonism: Changes, Contradictions, and Errors and for a refutation of the LDS’ misuse of the Bible, Mormons Answered Verse by Verse, both by John Farkas and David Reed.
 
Question ~~~ does anyone know of any short articles about mormonism? I just want to read the basic facts ~~ i know this has probably been asked and answered numerous times but i don’t want to take the time to research it ~~ i need it right away for something i’m doing

thanks
Onyx, you’ll find a number of such articles by doing a search at the “Faith” section at the top of the page.
 
I have read it.Many years ago, I was told by a Mormon lady that if I read it, there was no way I could ever be the same, that it was going to persuade me that it was true…
Well. Might as well wave a red flag in a bull’s face.😉
I read it from cover to cover.
I am Methodist still…🤷
Then another Mormon told me, that I must have “rread it with the wrong spirit”. (I resisted the impulse to tell her what I was thinking at that comment). So I read it again.
:shrug:Not impressed.🤷
I have met any number of lovely LDS folks, both IRL and online. They were delightful, sincere, people.:yup:
But the Book of Mormon???:nope: I remain unimpressed.:twocents:
This is the fallacy that the missionaries are selling because there’s only one acceptable conclusion: that it’s true. If you deem it to be untrue, the problem is with you, not the book so the answer is predetermined and thus not of God.
 
This is the fallacy that the missionaries are selling because there’s only one acceptable conclusion: that it’s true. If you deem it to be untrue, the problem is with you, not the book so the answer is predetermined and thus not of God.
Or if you look at it as fiction, and interpret it as fiction, they decide that your interpretation is not of God.

:rotfl:
 
The “prophet” Joseph Smith has said that “the Book of Mormon is the most correct book ever written”. If that were the case it would not have needed all the corrections made, over 3000 of them. Not all corrections were grammatical or typographical errors. It seems like the theology of LDS follows whichever way the wind blows. Can LDS revelation be of God?

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Or if you look at it as fiction, and interpret it as fiction, they decide that your interpretation is not of God.
Correct; any answer you get that doesn’t confirm that the BOM is exactly what they present it to be means that the problem is with you, not with the book and certainly not with their god.
 
The “prophet” Joseph Smith has said that “the Book of Mormon is the most correct book ever written”. If that were the case it would not have needed all the corrections made, over 3000 of them. Not all corrections were grammatical or typographical errors. It seems like the theology of LDS follows whichever way the wind blows. Can LDS revelation be of God?
Mormonism is an evolution, not a restoration; it took over 100 years to get something resembling cohesive doctrine and eve at that, the major problems lie just beneath the surface.

No, the ‘reveleations’ cannot be of God because they’re absurd and time has proven each and every one false. That said, however, I don’t underestimate the power of God to work in the lives of Mormons if he chooses to do so. They simply misunderstand it to be the work of their god, not the Biblical God.
 
Correct; any answer you get that doesn’t confirm that the BOM is exactly what they present it to be means that the problem is with you, not with the book and certainly not with their god.
Correct. The challenge of Moroni says:
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true;
and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart,
with real intent,
having faith in Christ,
he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
So if you decide that the BoM is not scripture, but rather a 19th century work of fiction, you either

did not ask with a sincere heart,
did not have real intent,
or had no faith in Christ.

IOW, you are the problem. In the LTM (now known as the MTC) we were taught that if someone did not accept the BoM as the Word of God, it was undoubtedly because they had serious unrepented sins that kept the Holy Ghost from witnessing to them.

That is what Mormons are taught about all people who do not accept their message. No wonder they feel free to sit in judgment of all non-Mormons.
 
Unrelated question to Mormons:😉
Why do your missionaries ride their bikes on the wrong side of the road?:eek:
I almost creamed one the other day…:eek:
🙂
 
Mormonism is an evolution, not a restoration; it took over 100 years to get something resembling cohesive doctrine and eve at that, the major problems lie just beneath the surface.

No, the ‘reveleations’ cannot be of God because they’re absurd and time has proven each and every one false. That said, however, I don’t underestimate the power of God to work in the lives of Mormons if he chooses to do so. They simply misunderstand it to be the work of their god, not the Biblical God.
And from their everchanging “theology”, secrets, etc., I get a very strong impression that their “god” can be the father of lies. I hope and pray that I am wrong.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
I’ve been trying to read it online. I wanted to order a print edition, but if you do, the missionaries come to your house to deliver it so I decided not to. But I’ve been reading it online (which I hate reading things, especially books, online). I’ve been trying to find a PDF or ebook version free to download it onto my Nook (Barnes and Noble has the e-book for $0.25, but I don’t want to give the church $0.25).

Anyways, you’re right with the whole “And it came to pass…” I recently finished 1 Nephi 1 (I’ve only been able to finish 1 chapter, that’s how much I hate reading online) and was pretty annoyed with “And it came to pass…” You’d think that Joseph Smith would be more creative.

And I have read parts of Alma and like that book. I especially enjoyed Alma 40:11-12.

I want to read more of it though.
Hi,

I was also quite a time quite interested in the LDS Church.
I orderd the BoM on their homepage.
Just write in comments: “Please send it per mail” or so and they will accept it. At least they didn’t come to me and just sent it per mail.

The Book of Mormon is a great book. There are so many nice parts in it. Like you said: Especially the book is Alma is great. I also know Alma 40:11-12. (:
In the RLDS Edition: Alma 19:43-44

But then I wanted to dig deeper and bought myself a triple combination (= BoM, D&C and Pearl of Great Price in one book.) (about $ 20).

Especially in the D&C and in the Pearl of Great Price I then realized how far away the LDS Church is from Christianity (Examples: Baptism for the Dead, Marriages for Eternity, secret/freemansory services in the Temple etc.)

But as I said before: I like the BoM, so I started searching for other “Mormon Churches” and finally found the Community of Christ (in former times: R[eorganised]LDS Church).

I read a lot about them and found out that they are more Christians than the LDS Church and bought myself their book of Mormon as well - directly from their publisher (because RLDS and LDS have different verses and chapters in the BoM). I can recommend you the RAV (Revised Authorized Version = in Modern English). - By the way: In the LDS Edition (which is for free of course!) there are addings to the “original” Text of Joseph Smith which are not in the RLDS Edition - so you have 100% the Original in the RLDS Book of Mormon. 😉
However, I would recommend you to have a closer look at the RLDS Church and keep away from the LDS Church. Buy yourself the BoM and when you are interested, their version of the D&C (and maybe also the Inspired Version of the Bible by Joseph Smith, which I don’t have (yet) - which is also obtainable by the RLDS Church - they even have the copyright on it! ;)).

If you want a pdf just visit this website and download the Triple Combination (LDS Version!) there for free.

I wish you a lot of joy with the studying of the Holy Scriptures of the Mormons. 🙂

In Christ,
Esdra
 
I have no problem with people converting from LDS to RLDS or CoC. It is just another step closer to home. 😉
 
I have no problem with people converting from LDS to RLDS or CoC. It is just another step closer to home. 😉
You are so right, brother! 😉

Despite the fact that we define “home” differently! 😉

Home is for me to be a reborn Christian (Baptist etc) and for you the Catholic Church. (;

Esdra
 
Try Project Gutenberg. You wouldn’t be able to get a new version of the Book of Mormon, but you’d be able to read one of the older ones (50+ years old, or however long US copyright law defines public domain use), so you’d have to deal with Joseph Smith’s notorious poor spelling and some minor word change, but the gist of the text is the same. The Book of Mormon hasn’t changed much in 180 years.
I would’ve recommended Ebay; that’s where I got almost all of my BOMs.
 
I would’ve recommended Ebay; that’s where I got almost all of my BOMs.
You have more than one? 😉

Okay, I also have three. - The LDS Version (in German), the Version in the Triple Combination (in German) and the RLDS Version (in English).

Esdra
 
Oh gettin’ a BoM is rather simple! 😉

Just go to a LDS missionar. When they are out in the streets they have copies to gift in their rucksacks! 😉

Or you buy the RLDS Version (other verse- und chapters than in the LDS Edition!) for $ 10!

Esdra
Esdra,
I would rather not spend the time in discussion that it would take to get a copy nor do I really want to spend any money on it.

The big block for me is the lack of archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon while we have tons of such evidence for the Bible.
 
Esdra,
I would rather not spend the time in discussion that it would take to get a copy nor do I really want to spend any money on it.

The big block for me is the lack of archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon while we have tons of such evidence for the Bible.
Hi,

I also don’t believe that the BoM is a historical book (at least not ancient historic).
But I value the BoM because of it’s wisdom and teachings. I have read a lot of such teachings - they are great. And the history, although only fiction by JS Jr., is also great to read.
Have a look for a reading plan (Teachings) here: BoM Reading Plan (Part I; Part II soon)

I mean I am not LDS nor a Restorationist, but actually I am fond of the BoM.

In Christ,
Esdra
 
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