Head Of U.S Bishops’ Pro-Life Activity: No Communion For Pro-Abortion Politicians

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A person comes at me with a knife or a gun with look of someone who intends to kill me. Defending my life in this situation with lethal force. That is self defense.
Injecting a lethal substance into the vein of a strapped down prison at some prison. That hardly seems like self defense.
You can justify the taking of a life by the state anyway you want. Just do not say it is okay. Because it is not okay.
 
If a convict attacks and kills guards, the prison nurse or others while serving a life sentence, they become a threat to those people and should be put to death.

It’s happening more and more that guards, staff and other prisoners are assaulted daily.

Prisons in the US are more dangerous than anywhere else in the world.

Jim
 
“I’m not advocating across the board capital punishment, but in rare cases when a convicted murder in prison, continues to assault and kill others.”

So, give them a second chance to kill more people?
 
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I agree with you, YNH.
Prisons should be for the worst of the criminals.
But there should be no capital punishment.
 
Solitary confinement for life. There are ways to put the worst of the worst away so they cannot kill or assault others.
 
The Holy Spirit is Alive and active; Now; PLEASE God; lead them to BOLDLY take the next step and Preach and Teach with righteous zeal and fervor that No Catholic; no “Christian” is good conscience can in ANY manner, way, shape or form, Support any NATIONAL Candidate of today’s Democratic Party; given their proudly and loudly advocation of Abortion and Gay unions we are commanded to term “marriages” ; both of which are intrinsic evils.

This is NOT a political position; it is Morally the teaching of Jesus and His Catholic Church.
 
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Just a thought but what did God do before he came over to this part of the universe to make Earth and the events of Genesis? Was HE elsewhere creating other worlds and species beforehand? I know HE made the Angels at some point so probably went about making features in Heaven for a few millennia. But if God has been about since before the dawn of time (which HE must have been since HE is creator of all things), why didn’t he create Earth earlier?
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God was being GOD

Before the creation of the Universe God surrounded Himself with a myriad of Angels; who lie us were also Rational; and unlike us in being as the NORM; “spiritual realities”, and more intelligent than is humanity.

Angels were created as IS humanity {the ideal…Isa. 43 7 & 21} to Glorify and Worship God. Lucifer led a revolt against the Sovereignty of GOD {desiring to be GOD himself and he and HIS minions lost to Saint Michael the Arch Angel; hell was created for the the evil-pride-filled angels; and God at some point then created the Universe [precisely so that ALL humanity can could, and should Know Him.}

GOD is truly PERFECT and cannot be made more OR less perfect. So There was no absolute reason for GOD to create either the Angles or humanity.
 
Give them a chance for redemption. When that fails, then yeah, they should be executed.

Jim
 
Solitary confinement isn’t humane and as solitary as you might think.

Prisoners in solitary confinement still require food, healthcare and exorcise.

These require other’s to be involved and they are at risk with a violent person who could and do them great harm even death and it has happened.

Prison staff require protection which capital punishment may be the only means of providing.

Jim
 
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PJM said:
This is NOT a political position; it is Morally the teaching of Jesus and His Catholic Church.
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To the first assertion, yes, it is; and to the latter, no, it is not. I would refer you to the often linked USCCB guide to faithful citizenship.
 
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JackMcCoy said:
There are ways to put the worst of the worst away so they cannot kill or assault others.
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I would disagree with this, and on this one topic, I probably know better than all but a few. There are ways to make it unlikely, and I remain opposed to capital punishment, but I believe that opposition should be grounded in realism.
 
Jim you can what if me all day.
But capital punishment is murder.
You are trying to justify an action that is morally wrong.
Those who want to justify anything can come up with an argument for wrongful actions.
Those who try to justify abortion do the same thing.
 
Straight from the Catechism >>>>>

2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

That would seem tp preclude the notion that “capital punishment is murder”.
 
Capital punishment isn’t murder.

You need to learn the difference between murder and defense of others.

As I have said in the past, I’m generally opposed to capital punishment, but there are conditions where it may be necessary.
  1. a person kills a cop
  2. a convicted murderer attacks a guard, prison staff or other prisoners. A convict orders a contract for the killing of a person either inside or outside of the prison. Gang leaders do this all the time.
I do not believe capital punishment should be used by the state for all crimes, but merely under the conditions above

Convicts serving life sentences have nothing to lose by attacking and killing while they’re in prison. Such acts require a moral society to execute them for the safety of others.

Jim
 
There is no justification for murder except in the case of self defense.
Capital punishment is murder.
Those who support abortion are skilled at trying to justify abortion.
Killing is killing.
You and I will never agree on something that we both know is morally wrong.
That God that we know what is right.
It is our choice to choose God’s way or man’s way.
I choose God’s way.
 
According to the Catechism it is NOT morally wrong in all circumstances. Are you saying the Catechism (and by extension the Magisterium) is teaching error?
 
JackMcCoy said:
There is no justification for murder except in the case of self defense.
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That’s what Capital Punishment is. It’s defending society in general and specifically prison guards, etc, against a logically determined substantial threat.
 
JackMcCoy said:
Capital punishment is murder.
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You can say this a thousand times and post it every hour on the hour and it will remain meaningless as well as bad theology. A good argument against capital punishment must be grounded in reality. That is the way the Church has been teaching against capital punishment. The above statement is not even good enough for bumper stickers.
 
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pnewton said:
This is NOT a political position; it is Morally the teaching of Jesus and His Catholic Church.
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My dear friend in Christ,

Thank you for sharing this information. Somehow it slipped by me. Because of the stringent space limitations of this site; I must be MUCH briefer than I would like to be in my reply

So I will reference that documents # and you can look it up to see what I have culled from it.


FYI: Not even the Pope can override the Bible, Sacred Tradition, the Catechism or the Ordinary Magisterium.

#15 we are to teach fundamental moral principles that help Catholics form their consciences correctly, to provide guidance on the moral dimensions of public decisions, and to encourage the faithful to carry out their responsibilities in political life”

#17 Catholics have a serious and lifelong obligation to form their consciences in accord with human reason and the teaching of the Church. Conscience is not something that allows us to justify doing whatever we want

#18 For Catholics, this begins with a willingness and openness to seek the truth and what is right by studying Sacred Scripture and the teaching of the Church as contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

#22. There are some things we must never do, as individuals or as a society, because they are always incompatible with love of God and neighbor. Such actions are so deeply flawed that they are always opposed to the authentic good of persons. These are called “intrinsically evil” actions. They must always be rejected and opposed and must never be supported or condoned. A prime example is the intentional taking of innocent human life, as in abortion and euthanasia.

#24. Opposition to intrinsically evil acts, which undercut the dignity of the human person, should also open our eyes to the good we must do,
  1. St. John Paul II explained the importance of being true to fundamental Church teachings
#28The direct and intentional destruction of innocent human life from the moment of conception until natural death is always wrong and is not just one issue among many. It must always be opposed.

#41 It is important for all citizens “to see beyond party politics, to analyze campaign rhetoric critically, and to choose their political leaders according to principle, not party affiliation or mere self-interest”
  1. **As Catholics we are not single-issue voters. Yet if a candidate’s position on a single issue promotes an intrinsically evil act, such as legal abortion, redefining marriage in a way that denies its essential meaning, or racist behavior, a voter may legitimately disqualify a candidate from receiving support. **
44.Direct attacks on innocent persons are never morally acceptable, at any stage or in any condition.
No doubt there is much more I could and share; BUT these fully affirm my previous POST.

GBY,
PJM
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