Head of Vatican's Highest Court: Ministers Have "Obligation to Deny" Communion to Pro-Abortion Politicians

[Chris_LaRock]

It may be an excuse, or it may not, The fact is, the Bishop’s caused great harm to the moral credibilty of the Catholic Church.

As a result, people don’t pay much attention anymore.

I’m not agreeing with them, but just stating a fact.

Jim

Do you think pro-abortion/pro-choice canidates should be denied communion?

 

[estesbob]

It may be an excuse, or it may not, The fact is, the Bishop’s caused great harm to the moral credibilty of the Catholic Church.

As a result, people don’t pay much attention anymore.

I’m not agreeing with them, but just stating a fact.

Jim

Without a doubt. And I got to personally bend my bishops there about it. In my opinion they are making the same mistake by not holding pro-abortion Catholics accountable

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Do you think pro-abortion/pro-choice canidates should be denied communion?

Its not up to me, but personally, I think the issue is more complex than how its presented here, and I think the local Bishop needs to speak with the candidate one on one, and let him make the decision.

In no way, should an EMHC make the decision.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

No let me ask you all.

Should the government be involved in the medical decisions that are between a woman and her doctor?

Which one will you want to see punished, and to what degree, when they violate the law?

Jim

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Its not up to me, but personally, I think the issue is more complex than how its presented here, and I think the local Bishop needs to speak with the candidate one on one, and let him make the decision.

In no way, should an EMHC make the decision.

Jim

Are you in favor of abortion itself?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Are you in favor of abortion itself?

No, I’m opposed to abortion, but that decision is also not as simple as many think it is.

I have seen where a woman, wanting to have her baby, but due to complications, was forced to decide between her own life, or inducing labor, which would result in the immediate death of the baby, who would not a survive full term pregnancy anyway. Should this decision be made by a government bureaucrat, or herself and her doctor?

I think its a no brainer. The decision is should be up to herself and her doctor, and keep the government out of it.

Jim

 

[Chris_LaRock]

No, I’m opposed to abortion, but that decision is also not as simple as many think it is.

I have seen where a woman, wanting to have her baby, but due to complications, was forced to decide between her own life, or inducing labor, which would result in the immediate death of the baby, who would not a survive full term pregnancy anyway. Should this decision be made by a government bureaucrat, or herself and her doctor?

I think its a no brainer. The decision is should be up to herself and her doctor, and keep the government out of it.

Jim

What if the doctor isn’t offering her any other choice but abortion because he can make money from it? In the case of deliberate misinformation, neither party can make that decision. The bueacrat would have to step in and protect the human rights of that child.

 

[estesbob]

No, I’m opposed to abortion, but that decision is also not as simple as many think it is.

I have seen where a woman, wanting to have her baby, but due to complications, was forced to decide between her own life, or inducing labor, which would result in the immediate death of the baby, who would not a survive full term pregnancy anyway. Should this decision be made by a government bureaucrat, or herself and her doctor?

I think its a no brainer. The decision is should be up to herself and her doctor, and keep the government out of it.

Jim

The church says in this situation the decision would be up to her and her doctor and hopefully the father of the child. I fail to see how this scenario relates to a topic on whether pro-abortion Catholic politicians can receive communion

 

[WestonGrant]

You go AB Burke!

Man, I hated losing him here. But if he’s gonna do this at the Vatican, then alrighty!!!

Yah, baby!


And Jim, my understanding is that if you don’t directly and intentinoallly kill the baby it isn’t murder. Abortions the direct intentional killing.

That’s murder.

 

[thomasf]

I’m glad to see the RCC has people with the courage to stand up for the Church’s teachings regarding the sanctity of life.

Catholics: does it bother you at all to see Protestants who are more in-line with RCC teachings than many of your fellow Catholics? Just curious.

Yes it does. It also bothers me that protestant theology has seeped so far into the minds of catholics that they think they can believe whatever they want and not follow the church in what she says on these things. There are so many catholics who act like protestants it makes me ill.

On the other hand, it is good that the protestants are becoming more and more pro-life and standing up for babies.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What if the doctor isn’t offering her any other choice but abortion because he can make money from it? In the case of deliberate misinformation, neither party can make that decision. The bueacrat would have to step in and protect the human rights of that child.

The situations I’ve seen are in the hospital under circumstances where the mother wanted the baby, but medically, was not possible. The Doctors don’t need to make up lies to make money.

Also, I’m not talking about abortion clinics where women have babies because the pregnancy would interfere with their lives.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The church says in this situation the decision would be up to her and her doctor and hopefully the father of the child. I fail to see how this scenario relates to a topic on whether pro-abortion Catholic politicians can receive communion

Actually, there are those who would say even this is an abortion and should be outlawed. Trust me, I was there to see it.

Jim

 

[estesbob]

Actually, there are those who would say even this is an abortion and should be outlawed. Trust me, I was there to see it.

Jim

That may well be that neither the church nor the government forbids abortion in the situation you describe. But in what does this have to do about pro-abortion Catholics receiving Communion?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

That may well be that neither the church nor the government forbids abortion in the situation you describe. But in what does this have to do about pro-abortion Catholics receiving Communion?

Actually, the person at Priest for Life, said it was immoral to induce labor, even to save the life of the mother.

Because its the sort of situation I presented, that many so called pro-choice candidates vote the way they do.

Jim

 

[estesbob]

Actually, the person at Priest for Life, said it was immoral to induce labor, even to save the life of the mother.

Because its the sort of situation I presented, that many so called pro-choice candidates vote the way they do.

Jim

I doubt it In fact I have never heard a pro-abortion politician say they support abortion because of a rare situation like this. If it were true they would simply introduce a bill that would outlaw all abortions except when the mother’s life was directly threatened .

So now having wandered down this goat path farther than we should let get back to the topic. Given this letter from the Vatican’s highest court and Nancy Pelosi’s gross misstatement of Catholic doctrine on national TV today it would appear the bishops going to to be under intense pressure to come out and publicly affirm the Church’s position on pro-abortion politicians .

I could not be more pleased to see that the issue of abortion is to the forefront of the debate in this presidential election. Every time a Nancy Pelosi or someone else goes on TV and tries to defend abortion they come off looking terrible. Especially those to claim to be Catholic.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

estesbob

I doubt it In fact I have never heard a pro-abortion politician say they support abortion because of a rare situation like this.

Probably you haven’t heard it from pro-abortion candidates, but pro-choice politicians like John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, its precisely why they voted against various bills on abortion and why they said they voted against them.

If it were true they would simply introduce a bill that would outlaw all abortions except when the mother’s life was directly threatened .

They tried to. Fundamentalist republicans blocked the amendments.

So now having wandered down this goat path farther than we should let get back to the topic.

I think understanding the situation further than just from headlines and sound bites, helps us get a better perspective on the issue.

Given this letter from the Vatican’s highest court and Nancy Pelosi’s gross misstatement of Catholic doctrine on national TV today it would appear the bishops going to to be under intense pressure to come out and publicly affirm the Church’s position on pro-abortion politicians .

Her misstatement is obvious and she is wrong.

I could not be more pleased to see that the issue of abortion is to the forefront of the debate in this presidential election.

Actually I’m disappointed, because neither side actually thinks abortion is an issue anymore. They’re merely throwing meat to their core constituents to feed on, nothing more.
Neither side has abortion on their radar.

Every time a Nancy Pelosi or someone else goes on TV and tries to defend abortion they come off looking terrible. Especially those to claim to be Catholic.

Of course they do. But, they keep getting elected, by using single issues like this, rather than address issues that are more pressing.

Jim

 

[estesbob]

estesbob

Probably you haven’t heard it from pro-abortion candidates, but pro-choice politicians like John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, its precisely why they voted against various bills on abortion and why they said they voted against them.

 

[Ender]

As far as not being on the radar why was Nancy Pelosi asked about yesterday?

The Church had the opportunity in the last election to make abortion a deciding issue when John Kerry was nominated. She has the same opportunity now with the presence of Joe Biden on the Democrat ticket. The release of Abp. Burke’s comments on withholding communion from publicly pro-abortion Catholic politicians raises the pressure on the rest of the American bishops to do just that. In fact, if Abp. Wuerl of DC were to do this it might be sufficient to affect the outcome of the election … and I can’t think of anything more likely to get the attention of a politician.

Ender

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Instead of praying for the politicians, why not pray that the bishops make a statement about that which is against Church teaching and why. Then let the chips fall where they may.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[Chris_LaRock]

The situations I’ve seen are in the hospital under circumstances where the mother wanted the baby, but medically, was not possible. The Doctors don’t need to make up lies to make money.

Also, I’m not talking about abortion clinics where women have babies because the pregnancy would interfere with their lives.

Jim

I understand that, but I still see abortion as murder under any circumstance.

And there are doctors that lie, or don’t offer women any alternatives to abortion.