Hello, A Satanist has joined you

[Imryl]

All this happened to my best friend, and I can’t help but today feel great pangs of remorse for everything I could have said but didn’t just because I didn’t want to lose him as a friend,

No one is asking the person confronting someone who engages in these activities <drug use, promiscuity or philosophical Satanism, Satan-worship, etc> to be silent, sugar coat it, or be anything less then open and honest. If my post came off like that, that was not the intent. The intent was to say that there are ways of dealing with these things.

If someone feels that they can not maintain a semi-objective attitude then perhaps they are not called to join in that topic of conversation. Not everyone can be a psychologist, counselor, apologist or even a priest.

They are (or were) here because they are searching for something other than what they know

Exactly my point. We’re on the same page.

But you could have said everything that you did, which was both right and true, without making a big to-do about “Christians” being forced… or expected to be tolerant.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Of course I’m curious, and that is why I read these forums. Although I’ve been sick since Monday which is the reason for these frequent posts. I usually don’t post much at all.

I have the darndest feeling that if we did have a talk about your “devil worship” that I wouldn’t believe you to be a worshipper of the devil at all.

 

[notsmart]

I have the darndest feeling that if we did have a talk about your “devil worship” that I wouldn’t believe you to be a worshipper of the devil at all.

who is disquised as an angel of light?

I am sure even Satan himself is very charming. We know he was good looking.He liked to put God up to testing people. Job…
He sure sounds like a guy that would make for a great dinner guest.

 

[happymommy]

We have to watch out for Satan. He likes to get God’s people upset with each other, easier for him to work his evil that way. Perhaps he is using one of his own to get onto this site and get us to argue and take the focus off of God. I’m sorry if anyone finds that to be mean, but I’m not trusting of those who worship the dark side. Not saying that they don’t have the right to be on this site, just that we that follow Christ should watch that he doesn’t tempt us to become unkind to each other.

 

[Gatell]

Hi Happymommy:

I’m with you on this one. I’ve noticed a lot of posts and our young satanist has not posted a reply.

Then I’ve also noticed folk here making excuses for his right to be as he wishes and not to be patronizing etc. The guys said he was a satanist on a Christian website. Duh! We have no clue if he is or not. As for me, I vote he’s not.

And in the romote case that he really is, here is my advise for him;

Get a job, get a girlfriend, get an education and if you want to be different, joing the Peace Corps. Get away from that stuff, nothing but pain there.

Sorry, perhaps today I’m not in the mood for experimental religion.

Victor (Thank God for confession)

We have to watch out for Satan. He likes to get God’s people upset with each other, easier for him to work his evil that way. Perhaps he is using one of his own to get onto this site and get us to argue and take the focus off of God. I’m sorry if anyone finds that to be mean, but I’m not trusting of those who worship the dark side. Not saying that they don’t have the right to be on this site, just that we that follow Christ should watch that he doesn’t tempt us to become unkind to each other.

 

[Imryl]

I have the darndest feeling that if we did have a talk about your “devil worship” that I wouldn’t believe you to be a worshipper of the devil at all.

That’s because Christians have a tendency to think those who worship Satan are angry, immature, adolescent teenagers.

The only objective is to convince people to turn from God (for whatever reason). In doing so, the Diabolist may be as polite and pious as they’d like. Beyond that it doesn’t matter how nor are the circumstances important.

 

[fbl9]

ok the love fest is over,time to bring out the clubs any- hows do yous satanists realize that what you worship is created and not the creator?

 

[LilyM]

That’s because Christians have a tendency to think those who worship Satan are angry, immature, adolescent teenagers.

The only objective is to convince people to turn from God (for whatever reason). In doing so, the Diabolist may be as polite and pious as they’d like. Beyond that it doesn’t matter how nor are the circumstances important.

It’s got nothing to do with being immature, teenagerish, impolite or whatever.

Put it this way - there are an awful lot of people out there who claim to worship God but have not the foggiest about who or what God really is, or what God is really on about. Thus they don’t truly worship God, rather their own false idea of Him. Rather as someone who claimed to love me but knew not the first thing about me doesn’t really love me, but a figment of their own imaginations.

So it stands to reason that there are plenty of people (not saying you in particular are one of them, but there’s every chance) who while claiming to worship Satan worship not really Satan but their own false idea of what Satan is - in other words ALSO a figment of their own imaginations.

Now a couple of questions, since I don’t want to work on presumption here. Would you say your Satanist ethos is comfortable with the idea of lying to others to get what you want?

If so, isn’t Satan as likely to deceive YOU as you are to deceive others?
If so, how on earth can you worship a being that you can have no possible likelihood of ever honestly knowing anything about?
In other words, if so, how can you follow a faith that is entirely likely to be founded upon a SUPERNATURAL (and thus infinitely more harmful) lie rather than the mere misunderstandings of comparatively harmless and powerless human beings?

 

[Gatell]

HI LilyM:

The stuff I read about that particular type of satanism (it was news to me that there were different types, is nothing sacred? Pun of course) portrayed a belief system that basically trusted in self rather than community. They almost sound convincing when they say that they don’t believe in Satan, but are attempting to move away from God, rather, a belief of God.

In either case it sounds to me like someone is not telling the truth. I’m sure that entry level satanists may actually fall for it, nature of the beast and all. But what really lurks behind it all?

I come from Cuba, in the 1958 Fidel Castro told the entire country that the revolution was not Communist. Many cubans embraced him as a savior and even embraced the possibility of a modern communism. When he declared the revolution to be Marxist and Leninist, people still went along. One day, it happened to all cubans, they came to their door and took everything. A lot of people had the audacity to be surprised. Hello, what were they thinking?

I would caution our young (if that is what he is) satanist to be wary of the same type of deception.

It’s got nothing to do with being immature, teenagerish, impolite or whatever.

Put it this way - there are an awful lot of people out there who claim to worship God but have not the foggiest about who or what God really is, or what God is really on about. Thus they don’t truly worship God, rather their own false idea of Him. Rather as someone who claimed to love me but knew not the first thing about me doesn’t really love me, but a figment of their own imaginations.

So it stands to reason that there are plenty of people (not saying you in particular are one of them, but there’s every chance) who while claiming to worship Satan worship not really Satan but their own false idea of what Satan is - in other words ALSO a figment of their own imaginations.

Now a couple of questions, since I don’t want to work on presumption here. Would you say your Satanist ethos is comfortable with the idea of lying to others to get what you want?

If so, isn’t Satan as likely to deceive YOU as you are to deceive others?
If so, how on earth can you worship a being that you can have no possible likelihood of ever honestly knowing anything about?
In other words, if so, how can you follow a faith that is entirely likely to be founded upon a SUPERNATURAL (and thus infinitely more harmful) lie rather than the mere misunderstandings of comparatively harmless and powerless human beings?

 

[LilyM]

HI LilyM:

The stuff I read about that particular type of satanism (it was news to me that there were different types, is nothing sacred? Pun of course) portrayed a belief system that basically trusted in self rather than community. They almost sound convincing when they say that they don’t believe in Satan, but are attempting to move away from God, rather, a belief of God.

In either case it sounds to me like someone is not telling the truth. I’m sure that entry level satanists may actually fall for it, nature of the beast and all. But what really lurks behind it all?

I come from Cuba, in the 1958 Fidel Castro told the entire country that the revolution was not Communist. Many cubans embraced him as a savior and even embraced the possibility of a modern communism. When he declared the revolution to be Marxist and Leninist, people still went along. One day, it happened to all cubans, they came to their door and took everything. A lot of people had the audacity to be surprised. Hello, what were they thinking?

I would caution our young (if that is what he is) satanist to be wary of the same type of deception.

Interesting - why bring satan into the equation (or name the faith after Satan) at all if they are simply attempting to move away from a belief in God - why not just call themselves atheists?

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Greetings,

I am a new member here and am a LeVeyan Satanist. I believe in tolerance and I’m here for intellectual conversations about religion, nothing more. We’re not as harmful as we sound, not even close. And though our beliefs are different I know we can get along just fine. If you do wish to flame me, insult me, curse me to the depths of oblivion, or anything else, remember I am still a child. Well, essentially, technically a teenager. But not an adult, none the less.

DON’T try to convert me, that is a step too far, even if you have righteous motives they’ll be in vain. Here’s to looking forward to many conversations. Cheers,

Arnoagns

Why do stanists call themselves stanists ? Isn’t that like saying, “I’m an elephant-worshipper - but I have no connection with anything related to elephants ?” ​

 

[notsmart]

Why do stanists call themselves stanists ? Isn’t that like saying, “I’m an elephant-worshipper - but I have no connection with anything related to elephants ?” ​

LOL!

However, why would they have a connection to satan? He did not incarnate after all. He did not have the ability after all. And, he seems to not desire to have a connection to those who “follow” him. He, as Imryl said, only desire to take a person away from God (for whatever reason)
If I recall his post correctly that is…

 

[notsmart]

Interesting - why bring satan into the equation (or name the faith after Satan) at all if they are simply attempting to move away from a belief in God - why not just call themselves atheists?

Because not all atheists believe in doing whatever you want to without regard for the ramifications of your actions. And some athiests dont give a hoot what anyone believes or rejects.

 

[Imryl]

So it stands to reason that there are plenty of people (not saying you in particular are one of them, but there’s every chance) who while claiming to worship Satan worship not really Satan but their own false idea of what Satan is - in other words ALSO a figment of their own imaginations.

You are correct.

Would you say your Satanist ethos is comfortable with the idea of lying to others to get what you want?

Yes. But I don’t. I don’t need to lie to someone to get what I want. If I want something, I’ll go get it myself. There just isn’t anything I can think of that I want bad enough to lie for.

If so, isn’t Satan as likely to deceive YOU as you are to deceive others?

Yes.

if so, how can you follow a faith that is entirely likely to be founded upon a SUPERNATURAL (and thus infinitely more harmful) lie

Well because I’ve been doing this a long time. Long before I can say I had any idea of what I was doing. And now I’m rather taken with it. I find it very natural. So I just do not care.

The stuff I read about that particular type of satanism (it was news to me that there were different types, is nothing sacred? Pun of course)

There are as many types of Satanism as there are practitioners. And it’s not limited to just theistic Satanists.

 

[notsmart]

Even if you don’t care… Others do care for you.

 

[Imryl]

Even if you don’t care… Others do care for you.

I appreciate the thought.

PS: I’m not a man by the way!

 

[notsmart]

I appreciate the thought.

PS: I’m not a man by the way!

Very sorry! I don’t have the best manners at all times. Thanks for the correction.

Monica

Its true, that all it can be is a thought for I can not see you. But, I pray for all of God’s children (from my point of view, that is everyone) and that means, I care about every life.

 

[LilyM]

You
Yes. But I don’t. I don’t need to lie to someone to get what I want. If I want something, I’ll go get it myself. There just isn’t anything I can think of that I want bad enough to lie for.

Well, I’m sure Satan could think of a few things that he/she/it might want badly enough to lie to you, such as your immortal soul.

And if Satan is not constrained to tell you the truth, either about what will happen to you in this world or the afterlife, or about his/her/its own nature or powers or abilities, it sounds like you’re pissing in the wind with your worship, if you’ll pardon my french.

So what do you expect to happen, now and in the afterlife, as a result of your prayers/worship?

Well because I’ve been doing this a long time. Long before I can say I had any idea of what I was doing. And now I’m rather taken with it. I find it very natural. So I just do not care.

So you don’t care whether or not your worship is based upon truth? You don’t care about the potential of harm to your immortal soul resulting from negligently worshipping a false and deceiving being?

You don’t care, in fact, whether or not your whole faith life is in fact PIW? How bizarre.

You’re ‘rather taken with’, and ‘find it very natural’ to live your life subject to a (likely) deliberately deceitful higher power? Who cares not a jot for you, one would assume, if willing to lie to you to achieve its own ends?

And what benefit or other result, for yourself or anyone, do you expect to result from worship of such a being?

 

[Imryl]

So what do you expect to happen, now and in the afterlife, as a result of your prayers/worship?

I expect to end up in Hell. Although I can’t claim that I believe Hell is all about Satan and his angels. I am of the opinion that Hell is the state of being eternally separated from God. Since I don’t particularly like God I don’t consider that a bad thing. Will it be a pleasant experience? Probably not.

So you don’t care whether or not your worship is based upon truth?

My beliefs are centered around the religion I was brought up in. Which happens to be Catholicism.

You don’t care about the potential of harm to your immortal soul resulting from negligently worshipping a false and deceiving being?

Honestly, no. I understand that to call on the Biblical Hebrew name of Satan is to summon one’s literal enemy. Is to invoke harm upon oneself. That it is inevitable, because “satan” literally is “enemy.”

You’re ‘rather taken with’, and ‘find it very natural’ to live your life subject to a (likely) deliberately deceitful higher power?

Yes.

And what benefit or other result, for yourself or anyone, do you expect to result from worship of such a being?

It’s never been about “what I can get” out of this. The other question I’ve already answered above.

But… I have been flirting with the idea of giving Catholicism it’s fair shot, but I haven’t made up my mind on that thought yet.

 

[LilyM]

I expect to end up in Hell. Although I can’t claim that I believe Hell is all about Satan and his angels. I am of the opinion that Hell is the state of being eternally separated from God. Since I don’t particularly like God I don’t consider that a bad thing. Will it be a pleasant experience? Probably not.

So you basically think what? That the unpleasant experience of being in Hell for eternity would be less than the unpleasant experience of being in Heaven?

What led you to the conclusion not just that an eternity in the presence of God wouldn’t be pleasant, but that an eternity in Hell would be preferable, given your own admission that you aren’t even sure what being in Hell would be like?

Do you claim special knowledge as to what Heaven is like on which you base your conclusion that an eternity there would be unbearable? What exactly do you think being in Heaven would involve that would make it so unbearable?

Do you believe God created you? If so, what motive do you ascribe to this creation, being that God certainly didn’t HAVE to create you or give you life?

Do you believe that anything that happens happens without God at least permitting it? How do you account for the goods and blessings that you have had in this life, which have come from Him, ultimately, and that even while you are rejecting Him?

By the way, I merely asked about what benefits you expect because a lot of worship - across all faiths - is based upon the expectation of some benefit either in this world or the next.

I can understand if you’re unwilling to speculate on the afterlife, but what results (note I’m not saying benefits) have you had/do you expect in this one from practicing your faith?

To put it simpler - not wanting to be with God, what is it about worshipping Satan that makes it preferable to just being an atheist and worshipping neither? Do you believe Satan has any actual power - for example to make Hell more bearable for you or something - that makes it preferable? Is there something about Satan that attracts you?