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[Imryl]

Time to lighten the mood on this thread a little.

If you like cats, click here and get a good chuckle.

I’m a dog person myself but I this is just cute.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Thank your for reply. Appreciated!

It is interesting that in your original post you claim to be a Satanist and, then, in your reply you state that you do not believe Satan is an entity. You sound very confused.

Consider the word Satanist. The suffix “-ist” means 1) a person who does, makes or practices; 2) a person skilled in or occupied with, an expert in; 3) an adherent of, believer in.

Are you aware that it is impossible to believe in and not to believe in someone or something at the same time?

Since you are an admitted Satanist, perhaps you can clearly define what you mean by the word Satan.

In the Church of Satan, Satan is not a living entity. He is a symbol. Keep in mind that LaVeyan do not worship the devil, but rather themselves, which is indeed the opposite of Christianity where we technically worship eachother.

This Satanist is not confused.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

ive never acually thought that someone could really be so stupid as to worship evil. what good could possibly come of doing the exact opposite of what you’re supposed to? I honestly feel soory for you all - i dont want you to rot in hell for all eternity. i hope you will turn back to christ.

It’s not really stupidity… believe it or not, Stupidity is one of the nine sins of LaVeyan Satanism.

They do not necessarily worship evil. They can and are good people, generally speaking. They just happen to worship themselves as I’ve said before.

I honestly don’t think Christianity is a requirement. It seems like a challenge to me. I’ve taken it and so have you, but this person just happens to want to live as nature intended us to.

 

[LDNCatholic]

It’s not really stupidity… believe it or not, Stupidity is one of the nine sins of LaVeyan Satanism.

They do not necessarily worship evil. They can and are good people, generally speaking. They just happen to worship themselves as I’ve said before.

I honestly don’t think Christianity is a requirement. It seems like a challenge to me. I’ve taken it and so have you,** but this person just happens to want to live as nature intended us to.**

God created nature, His standards are higher and His intentions more important.

To elevate oneself to an object of worship, to place oneself on a par with God, is incredibly stupid, not to mention evil. They are prompted by Satan to worship themselves, Satan doesn’t care whether you worship him, as long as you don’t worship God.

 

[Imryl]

Satan doesn’t care whether you worship him, as long as you don’t worship God.

Give this man (woman?) a prize.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Give this man (woman?) a prize.

Man

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

God created nature, His standards are higher and His intentions more important.

Than we must of done something in the Church that went horribly wrong!

To elevate oneself to an object of worship, to place oneself on a par with God, is incredibly stupid, not to mention evil. They are prompted by Satan to worship themselves, Satan doesn’t care whether you worship him, as long as you don’t worship God.

They’re not prompted by Satan… it’s just us. Besides, one way or another, we are worshipping God, some people just don’t know it yet. Shhh…

 

[LDNCatholic]

They’re not prompted by Satan… it’s just us. Besides, one way or another, we are worshipping God, some people just don’t know it yet. Shhh…

No. This ‘‘everything is God’’ schtick is complete Bull. If you consciously reject Him by following the Created Being that has set himself up as an alternative to God (be that Satan or yourself) then you have knowingly rejected the salvation offered by God.

Prompted by him or not, I’d wager Satan gets a warm fuzzy feeling when we disobey God and set up false idols.

 

[Swan]

It’s not really stupidity… believe it or not, Stupidity is one of the nine sins of LaVeyan Satanism.

They do not necessarily worship evil. They can and are good people, generally speaking. They just happen to worship themselves as I’ve said before.

I honestly don’t think Christianity is a requirement. It seems like a challenge to me. I’ve taken it and so have you, but this person just happens to want to live as nature intended us to.

You are right about the stupidity. LaVey’s point was that loving people, making sacrfices for them, being nice to them, when they wrong you, treat you badly, etc., is just stupid. Why not use that love and energy on someone who deserves it? Someone who is good to you? Volunarily doing anything that makes your life less enjoyable is also stupid. Why would you do that? For example, staying in a bad marriage when you’d rather be with someone else.

I would like to point out that LaVey was totally against any kind of living sacrifice (no animals and no humans, sorry if this is disappointing). And I’ve read a lot of stuff by various Satanists, demonolators, etc and I’ve yet to find anyone who advocates any kind of living sacrifice. Only voodoo and Santaria (a voodoo type religion) do this, as far as I know, yet many people link it with Satanism.

LaVey made a point that magic is magic - there is no such thing as a white magic/black magic differentation. Basically, you are calling on an entity/power to get something you want. That makes it selfish. So quit with the high-horse ‘do no harm’ talk and admit you are out for personal gain and go with it. Any thoughts on this idea?

 

[LDNCatholic]

I would like to point out that LaVey was totally against any kind of living sacrifice (no animals and no humans, sorry if this is disappointing). And I’ve read a lot of stuff by various Satanists, demonolators, etc and I’ve yet to find anyone who advocates any kind of living sacrifice. Only voodoo and Santaria (a voodoo type religion) do this, as far as I know, yet many people link it with Satanism.

Off topic slightly, some forms of Hinduism have animal sacrifice (and in some obscure sects, in rare instances, human sacrifice).

 

[Swan]

Time to lighten the mood on this thread a little.

If you like cats, click here and get a good chuckle.

I’m a dog person myself but I this is just cute.

How cute! And the way my day is going, I need a smile.

I love all animals. We live in a 1 bedroom apt and have 3 cats (yes, they are all black! ). Would love to have a place where we could have dogs too.

ps: a note on why we have black cats - kind of funny, really. The first one I got about 18 years ago. He was just pretty. But pet hair can be a problem, and I started getting black/dark clothes so the hair wouldn’t be so noticeable. The next cat had to be black because all my stuff was black/dark (even black sheets and towels, comforter, etc). The first cat passed away a couple of years ago but by then we were heavily invested in dark stuff and had two other black cats. When we got another one after he died, she of course is also black. Can’t get a light colored one now - imagine how the hair would show up on all my dark stuff. My mom has a silver tabby and my black pants look like they are fur pants when I visit her.

 

[Spirithound]

Time to lighten the mood on this thread a little.

If you like cats, click here and get a good chuckle.

I’m a dog person myself but I this is just cute.

That was pretty cute. I like the last one, where the cat actually succeeded in getting through the box and then went after the second one!

 

[Layman]

Quote: “In the Church of Satan, Satan is not a living entity. He is a symbol.”

This is the opinion of many (near-) heretical Catholic priests as well, today. Unfortunately, mortal personal opinions at to the nature of reality don’t hold much sway when you get to the other side of the veil.

Ever since the common man started to read, some tended to become their own Popes. Unfortunately, Christ anointed Peter and his successors to that role.

As the Chinese say “A man who teaches himself has a fool for a master”.

Quote: “Keep in mind that LaVeyan do not worship the devil, but rather themselves, which is indeed the opposite of Christianity where we technically worship each other.”

I think LaVey got his start in California, didn’t he? Self-regarding therapies and religions tend to do well there e.g. Buddhism.

The problem with that is: Who do you beseech in your hour of need?

Also, Christians do not worship each other. We don’t worship The Virgin Mary or the Saints or Archangels either.

 

[Swan]

Off topic slightly, some forms of Hinduism have animal sacrifice (and in some obscure sects, in rare instances, human sacrifice).

Thanks. I knew as soon as I typed that that there had to be some I didn’t know about.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Thanks. I knew as soon as I typed that that there had to be some I didn’t know about.

No worries mate I’m sure I’ve forgot a group in the list somewhere too, just wait, someone will correct me too

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Quote:
Also, Christians do not worship each other. We don’t worship The Virgin Mary or the Saints or Archangels either.

You’re right they don’t. But they’re supposed to. Loving someone (platonically or romantically) is seeing God in that person, and by wanting to make them happy, keeping them safe, and keeping them in the right track of life is being a Christian.

Ironically Yours.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

LaVey made a point that magic is magic - there is no such thing as a white magic/black magic differentation. Basically, you are calling on an entity/power to get something you want. That makes it selfish. So quit with the high-horse ‘do no harm’ talk and admit you are out for personal gain and go with it. Any thoughts on this idea?

1. Destruction Ritual
2. Lust Ritual
3. Compassion Ritual

Destruction brings a symbolic death to the victim. Lust ritual is some sort of “sex magic”, but I don’t know the details. Compassion ritual is the one that brings happiness…

The magic in LaVeyan Satanism is more symbolic than anything else. It does no physical harm, and Satanists usually try to avoid such physical assaults. But either way, of course it’s for personal gain. I don’t think anyone said it wasn’t.

 

[LilyM]

You’re right they don’t. But they’re supposed to. Loving someone (platonically or romantically) is seeing God in that person, and by wanting to make them happy, keeping them safe, and keeping them in the right track of life is being a Christian.

Ironically Yours.

No, we don’t worship each other. Nor are we supposed to.

Humans are a pale reflection, an ‘image and likeness’ seen merely ‘through a dark glass’, of the God who made us. We are not an equivalent of God, but very inferior creatures.

Being mere shadows and images of God, then, they (we) are not worthy of worship, only love respect and honour - none of which, nor any combination, constitute worship. Nor are we to worship each other - only love, respect and honour. See God in each other, in the sense of a reflection of God, yes. See each other as ACTUALLY God, or in any way worthy of worship? That’s idolatry.

 

[Bennie_P]

Greetings,

I am a new member here and am a LeVeyan Satanist. I believe in tolerance and I’m here for intellectual conversations about religion, nothing more. We’re not as harmful as we sound, not even close. And though our beliefs are different I know we can get along just fine. If you do wish to flame me, insult me, curse me to the depths of oblivion, or anything else, remember I am still a child. Well, essentially, technically a teenager. But not an adult, none the less.

DON’T try to convert me, that is a step too far, even if you have righteous motives they’ll be in vain. Here’s to looking forward to many conversations. Cheers,

Arnoagns

Here is link for you to research what the Carhoilc Church teaches.
catholicscomehome.org/not-Catholic.phtml

It’s aimed just to let one that isn’t Catholic know what the Catholic church teaches.

By the way Christians don’t convert people God does.

I almost forgot, Welcome.

 

[Swan]

1. Destruction Ritual
2. Lust Ritual
3. Compassion Ritual

Destruction brings a symbolic death to the victim. Lust ritual is some sort of “sex magic”, but I don’t know the details. Compassion ritual is the one that brings happiness…

The magic in LaVeyan Satanism is more symbolic than anything else. It does no physical harm, and Satanists usually try to avoid such physical assaults. But either way, of course it’s for personal gain. I don’t think anyone said it wasn’t.

Yes, they are pretty much symbolic. What I meant is that there is no literal taking of life. A destruction ritual is something like a curse - it is indirect.

I think you misunderstood my point about white v. black magic. LaVey says that there is no such thing as white magic, regardless of the claims of its practitioners. Since all magic is designed for personal gain, there really is no such thing as “harm none”. For example, if you perform a ritual to get a certain job and you get that job, then the other folks who applied don’t get it. So there is harm. It isn’t benign. His point is that it is all “black” magic, regardless of what you call it.