Hello, A Satanist has joined you

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JMJ_coder said:
Everyone needs to realize that Satan is the master deceiver. He is a liar and the father of lies, a murder from the beginning. If you think that Satan cares for you, you are severely deluded. If you think he is worthy of praise and worship, you are among the most pitiable of men. All Satan cares about is trying to hurt God, and he thinks that by destroying your soul he can do that.

I would no sooner read the devil’s book(s) to know what they teach than I would drink poison to find out what its effects are. You are stupid, let me repeat, you are STUPID and MORONIC and a complete IMBECILE if you think that it is a good idea to try to learn Satanic teachings.

Satan and Satanism must be fiercely battled in all its forms by the Church. We are in a dour combat, and souls are at stake. Don’t let the devil fool you. Fight evil where ever it exists.
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Dude, we’re talking about LaVeyan Satanism, not Theistic. There’s a fine line. 😉
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
Dude, we’re talking about LaVeyan Satanism, not Theistic. There’s a fine line. 😉
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From what little I’ve heard of them on this thread, they’re basically secular, materialistic, relativists, who look to Satan (who some purport to not believe in) as their role model. Not much to respect there either.
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
Dude, we’re talking about LaVeyan Satanism, not Theistic. There’s a fine line. 😉
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And we’re talking about God and Satan…that is the only distinction that matters, and it should never, ever be minimized or confused.

Oh, and as for admiring something because it exists, as you stated in your reply to my last post here, you might want to work a little harder at sharpening the critical thinking skills that the Lord has blessed you with. You know that you are not benefitted by admiring everything and everyone on Earth just for existing or having existed…or do you believe that you must “admire” Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or any of the other blood butchers who have similarly existed through history, and learn to appreciate their philosophies in order to combat “intolerance”? Intolerance is only a bad word to a person who does not know what (or in our case, who) he stands for. If you stand for Christ and His Church, you MUST reject Satan and all of his works, not admire them or anything like that. This isn’t an optional belief.
 
Arnoagns said:
Now, come on guys. Of course lmryl loves her child, that’s kind of unfair to say she doesn’t based off her religion :-. Yes, we can love, I think it’s just the way the whole Satanic Bible is written that gives it that eerie jist. LeVeyan had a weird way to state things, it’s how he got his point across and heard.

I’ve read the bible before, there’s one in my house, including many books on christianity and all other religions. Just because we don’t believe in it, doesn’t mean we can’t inform ourselves about it. Don’t close yourself off to other religions, that’s just taking another step towards ignorance.

Back to the main question, Can Satanists Love? Yes, we can, as I’ve stated in the first paragraph. But to what extent? To the extent capable of humanity. We’re just like you with different beliefs, pretty much :). Me, for example, I live my life and choose to love everyone. I’m no better than all of you, and none of you are better than me, equals. I’d never wish harm on any of you, and hope you all feel the same way about me. I even have a girlfriend who’s from a Catholic family and we get along great, her family likes me a lot, as well.

I understand your questions though and I take none to offense. I’m glad you all are trying to understand this better, it helps me feel more accepted.

Don’t be afraid to read Satanic texts, as I understand it God promotes knowledge of all cultures. Some of you may look at Satanism and go “Wow, what a group of crazies”, that’s good. While that mindset is a little hostile, it still gives you more faith in your religion.

Satanism IS a religion, for those who are wondering. It has beliefs of the astral, especially Imryls particular section of Satanism. She’s a Theistic Satanist, though, different from my section. I used to be Theistic, I belonged to the Joy of Satan group, and they believed in tons of Gods and Demons, and I mean tons. It’s just a culture some of you aren’t used to, is all.

Sorry if my paragraphs skip around alot with no sort of order or consistency, I’m trying to answer all of your questions at once, and I’m home sick right now so my mind is a little fuzzy. Keep up the questions!

Side note: If you like detective books, get Double Cross by James Patterson, I can’t put the damn thing down. My new bestfriend when I’m sick

Cheers,

Arnoagns
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Dear Arno,

Very interesting. I live in Indonesia which has so many ghost story. What do you think of a particular ghost popular in your country?

You know something, my dear friend, The way you say that you wish no harm to anybody makes me wonder that whether you are true that you claim yourself as “satanist”. Or, that term is just applied to you by someone else. I think that you open my eye that there is another belief within human society which is not as bad as claimed.

I would rather have someone say that “I am a satanist”, but he/she is a good person even to the standard of Jesus. Rather than having someone say “God is mercyful and I am also merciful”, but killing other people who disagree.
 
dzheremi said:
Intolerance is only a bad word to a person who does not know what (or in our case, who) he stands for. If you stand for Christ and His Church, you MUST reject Satan and all of his works, not admire them or anything like that. This isn’t an optional belief.
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We must only tolerate that which is good and true. We must not and cannot tolerate evil or lies - which is what Satan and his minions hold up for admiration and worship.

I RENOUNCE Satan! And all his works and empty promises! And all his pomp!

…and y’all should, too! 😉
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
Please, people! :mad: Quit trying to convert the guy!

LaVeyan Satanism is an ***independent ***religion that has as much to do with Christianity as Hinduism! It is agnostic, if not, atheist; Satan is not a living entity or quasi-deity! He is a symbol!

In hopes of making LaVeyan Satanism easier to understand for you: It is a *synonym *for “Human Nature”. Therefore, has almost *nothing *to do with Christianity!
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Blade,

A few points:
  1. Anyone who is on these forums chose to come here freely, likewise I am free to pray for someone who professes “reverence” for demons whether I understand their religion or not
  2. If we are “converting” anyone, then it is not us but God working through the Holy Spirit.
  3. You said “Satan is not a living entity or quasi-deity”. When I read that I’m not sure whether you’re mistating Catholicism, speaking for the LaVeyan Satanist, or saying what you believe. Be careful. Satan is only so glad to be taken as something other than he’s not… ever heard the phrase “the greatest trick Satan ever played was to convince the world he didn’t exist”? Regardless of what LaVeyan Satanists believe, Satan is real, he is evil, and he is “prowling about the world seeking the ruin of souls”. Regardless of whether LaVeyan Satanism interests you for academic reasons, Satan is not playing by the beliefs of LaVeyan Satanists… he is simply out to ruin souls, period. Pray, fast, and pray again before you entertain the idea that Satan is not active in the world as a fallen angel. He is not merely a “symbol” as you say. He is the devil.
Satan is evil. Belief in Satan is evil. Lies about Satan to make you think he is not evil, are themselves sinful… evil.

May God, in his Power and in His Grace, pour His Holy Spirit over all of us and make us aware of His overwhelming mercy and love for us.

We know how this ends: Jesus on the Cross CRUSHES the head of Satan.

So I say, may the Peace of Christ be with you,

Col317
 
Col317 said:
Blade,

A few points:
  1. Anyone who is on these forums chose to come here freely, likewise I am free to pray for someone who professes “reverence” for demons whether I understand their religion or not
  2. If we are “converting” anyone, then it is not us but God working through the Holy Spirit.
  3. You said “Satan is not a living entity or quasi-deity”. When I read that I’m not sure whether you’re mistating Catholicism, speaking for the LaVeyan Satanist, or saying what you believe. Be careful. Satan is only so glad to be taken as something other than he’s not… ever heard the phrase “the greatest trick Satan ever played was to convince the world he didn’t exist”? Regardless of what LaVeyan Satanists believe, Satan is real, he is evil, and he is “prowling about the world seeking the ruin of souls”. Regardless of whether LaVeyan Satanism interests you for academic reasons, Satan is not playing by the beliefs of LaVeyan Satanists… he is simply out to ruin souls, period. Pray, fast, and pray again before you entertain the idea that Satan is not active in the world as a fallen angel. He is not merely a “symbol” as you say. He is the devil.
Satan is evil. Belief in Satan is evil. Lies about Satan to make you think he is not evil, are themselves sinful… evil.

May God, in his Power and in His Grace, pour His Holy Spirit over all of us and make us aware of His overwhelming mercy and love for us.

We know how this ends: Jesus on the Cross CRUSHES the head of Satan.

So I say, may the Peace of Christ be with you,

Col317
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You’re referring to Theistic Satanism. I know you don’t see a difference between the two because to you Satanism is Satanism, but there is a fine line. LaVeyan Satanism is either agnostic or atheistic.

And, yes, I am Catholic. I just like to play neutral in these cases. Obviously, I am very liberal. 😃
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
You’re referring to Theistic Satanism. I know you don’t see a difference between the two because to you Satanism is Satanism, but there is a fine line. LaVeyan Satanism is either agnostic or atheistic.

And, yes, I am Catholic. I just like to play neutral in these cases. Obviously, I am very liberal. 😃
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You also mentioned in an earlier post that his form of “Satanism” is human nature, or something to that effect.

Then why on this green earth of what they believe is Human Nature do they call it Satanism. That is the dumbest name you can give anything. I understand the middle of the road role you are trying to play here. **But, if it calls itself a duck it is a duck.
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You can not in any good, positive fashion run around telling people that you believe in Satanism(of any kind) and expect them to say “Oh, the human nature thing right?” For goodness sakes, if there is a something called Satanism that has nothing to do with Satan then call it something else.

This is nothing more than a belief system designed to grab attention and cause a stir like it has here. To defend it in any way is ridiculous.
 
It’s called Satanism just because that’s the name, I’m trying really hard to be patient with you all, but come on. Insulting my religion is not going to change anything and I don’t like it. I have not insulted your religions so please, respect mine. I understand that it seems like Satanists have tried to stop your religions but your religions have also tried to stop mine. Please, be courteous, just because I chose something you think is wrong doesn’t mean it is wrong. God could deceive just as easily as Satan can and I believe in neither.

Blade and Blood, I am a teenager buddy :P, 16 years old, in fact. I’m not asking for attention, the reason for the thread title was because I am being upfront with all of you. Not the shock factor, just honesty. I’m a nice kid, really, just get to know me :).
 
Arnoagans, do you really not understand why it is that we cannot respect your religion? You seem like a smart kid, and the explanations here have been very clear: Satan CANNOT be respected, as he is against the very existence of our Lord, and you better believe we love and cherish our Lord and His Sacrifice much more than anyone’s individual ideology. This is not a matter of respect or disrespect for you, but being serious enough about our commitment to God not to violate it for ANYTHING. Not for your religion, not for your or anyone else’s politics, not ANYTHING.

I do not respect Satan and I do not respect your decision to worship Satan, because I think it is destructive to your soul. I respect your right to believe in Satanism if that is what you wish, but I do not respect that belief in and of itself. It is not worthy of respect. It is against all that is good and sacred, and believing it or respecting it as just another belief among many (as Blade & Blood seems to want to convince us to do) is to desecrate all that I promise to uphold everytime I recite the Nicene Creed, as well as all that I affirmed when I was baptized. These are serious, life and death convictions. I cannot compromise them for any reason.
 
Arnoagns said:
It’s called Satanism just because that’s the name, I’m trying really hard to be patient with you all, but come on. Insulting my religion is not going to change anything and I don’t like it. I have not insulted your religions so please, respect mine. I understand that it seems like Satanists have tried to stop your religions but your religions have also tried to stop mine. Please, be courteous, just because I chose something you think is wrong doesn’t mean it is wrong. God could deceive just as easily as Satan can and I believe in neither.

Blade and Blood, I am a teenager buddy :P, 16 years old, in fact. I’m not asking for attention, the reason for the thread title was because I am being upfront with all of you. Not the shock factor, just honesty. I’m a nice kid, really, just get to know me :).
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‘It’s called Satanism just because that’s the name’? No, the name isn’t something just made up our of thin air. It’s a name that actually means something. Using ‘-ism’ or ‘-ist’ as a suffix, for example, actually means that you stand in a particular relation to whoever or whatever you whack in front of the ‘-ism’ or ‘-ist’.

A few examples - ‘communism’ is the belief that government should be structured so that all assets are held and administered in common, communally, the opposite of privately. Someone described as ‘communist’ holds this belief.

‘Socialism’ - a belief in a system of social or group holding and administration of assets (again, as opposed to private ownership). Again, someone described as ‘socialist’ holds this belief

‘Capitalism’ can be summarised as belief in freedom of ownership and use of economic capital. Someone describe as ‘capitalist …’ you see where I’m heading.

Now ‘Marxism’, ‘Leninism’, ‘Maoism’ - all named after the founders of those belief systems. Someone described as ‘Marxist’, ‘Leninst’ etc - follows the philosophies formulated by these people.

So Satanism - well, Satan is a real individual, maybe or maybe not synonymous with the fallen angel Lucifer in some belief systems. ‘THE enemy’, singular, not just an abstract concept of ‘enemy’. ‘Satan’ being a Hebrew word anyone with knowledge of the language can tell you that - and you using the word to describe your beliefs you have no excuse to not know its derivation or meaning and apply it properly.

Rather like Christ is THE Christ even though the word could conceivably be applied to others before and since. No other individual apart from Himself has been associated with that particular word though.

So if you believe in self-interest or some other motherhood concept, and NOT in an actual entity called Satan whose philosophy you follow, then you are totally and unequivocally WRONG - and moreover totally misleading - in calling yourself a Satanist. It’s just intellectual sloppiness and inexcusable if you expect your credentials as any sort of thinker to be taken seriously.

Let me draw an analogy - can you see how ridiculous I would sound if I called myself ‘Christian’ and then claimed - 'oh, but I’m not a follower of JESUS Christ, I mean something else ENTIRELY by ‘Christ’ ’ The word has a universally accepted application, under the conventions of language, if I don’t want to be branded an idiot, if I want to be taken seriously, I adhere to them.
 
LilyM is, in my humble opinion, correct. It is sloppy. But we Americans have a nasty habit of believing we can just arbitrarily change the meaning of things to suit our immediate needs.

Also, we are on a Catholic forum. Neither of us have the right to demand they submit to our ideology. As you get older you will understand that you can’t just demand someones respect. It’s one of those things that must be earned.

Besides, they aren’t being insulting at all… They’re asserting their beliefs.
 
LDNCatholic said:
Hello, welcome to CAF, I look forward to some interesting conversations on religion with you.

A word to the wise though, there have been Satanists here in the past, who have started innocently enough and have been banned for being insulting. Just a reminder that just as you wish to not be insulted as you are still young, we do not wish to have our faith attacked as this is a Catholic forum.

So how did someone so young get into Satanism, did you convert or is it a family thing?
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Replace “Satanists” with “blacks”

Let’s not be prejudiced against Satanists.
 
Nothing says “I have no defense for my ideas” like “this is what a nazi/racist/liberal/conservative/fascist/hippie/commie/____ (insert person you think is objectionable) would do!”

No, don’t replace “satanist” with black. The thread title doesn’t say “Hello, a black person has joined you”, and the Church has no problem with black people, so you have no point. Don’t engage in intellectual laziness and dishonesty. That will get you nowhere here.

With that out of the way, welcome to the forums. Enjoy your stay here.
 
like many others…just a thought:

I just don’t see the point why would anybody be a satanist? there are those that don’t believe in our Lord but keeps it at that…but if you could believe in anything else, why would anybody choose the satan?
 
clairemd said:
like many others…just a thought:

I just don’t see the point why would anybody be a satanist? there are those that don’t believe in our Lord but keeps it at that…but if you could believe in anything else, why would anybody choose the satan?
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Maybe, a person thinks that the Bible only tells Yahweh’s side of the story.

Your question is like asking why would anyone be a Gnostic when we know some of their beliefs about Jesus aren’t true because the Bible says so. Well, Gnostics have their own sources which tell them otherwise. Some Gnostic sources speak of romance between Jesus and Mary Magdalene or Jesus asking Judas to betray him.

I don’t know what Satanists base their beliefs on or what their beliefs even are.

I do know that we shouldn’t be prejudiced against anyone, whether that is blacks or Satanists. If someone thinks it’s not OK to be prejudiced against blacks but OK to be prejudiced against Satanists, then they are saying some forms of prejudice are OK. Prejudice is not OK. Period. And that was the point I made above. I am not going to respond to that post (not yours, his) more than that though. I do not believe in responding in kind. Return not evil for evil. That’s what I believe in.
 
Arnoagns said:
Greetings,

I am a new member here and am a LeVeyan Satanist. I believe in tolerance and I’m here for intellectual conversations about religion, nothing more. We’re not as harmful as we sound, not even close. And though our beliefs are different I know we can get along just fine. If you do wish to flame me, insult me, curse me to the depths of oblivion, or anything else, remember I am still a child. Well, essentially, technically a teenager. But not an adult, none the less.

DON’T try to convert me, that is a step too far, even if you have righteous motives they’ll be in vain. Here’s to looking forward to many conversations. Cheers,

Arnoagns
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Welcome to the Forum! I read your posting with interest. Would I try to Flame you? Not a chance.

I must be honest and say I didn’t read All the others replies to you, but I wanted to say Hi and Welcome.

You say you’re a teenager, wow do I remember that age, and my children being your age. (yes, I’m a little older than you…lol…51 in years but still very young in heart.)

You say you don’t want to be converted. Not to worry, I won’t try to convert you, (if you’re ever converted that will be between you and God, for only God alone can touch your heart, not any one man or woman.)

I would like to ask you some questions though. (since I don’t know much about your beliefs.)
  1. What is it you believe in? (your Religion?)
  2. When the day comes that you die, (for we all die sooner or later) where will you go?
  3. Does your Religion, believe in obeying the laws of the land. (no murder, no stealing, no rape…ect.)
  4. How long have you been in your Religion? And can you tell us something about it. (It’s hard to have a conversation if we don’t know what you believe in.)
  5. What made you decide to visit a Cahtolic Forum?
I’m looking forward to getting to know you on the forum. Although you do state you don’t want to be converted, which I respect, please keep in mind we are Christians on this forum and we do use terms you may not use in your “daily” life, such as, “May God Bless and keep you safe.” ect. This is not to convert you, this is just the way we are.
 
jfhh said:
I do know that we shouldn’t be prejudiced against anyone, whether that is blacks or Satanists. If someone thinks it’s not OK to be prejudiced against blacks but OK to be prejudiced against Satanists, then they are saying some forms of prejudice are OK. Prejudice is not OK. Period. And that was the point I made above. I am not going to respond to that post (not yours, his) more than that though. I do not believe in responding in kind. Return not evil for evil. That’s what I believe in.
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So it is “evil” to have your own set of morals and beliefs that you will not compromise?

This is the problem with any belief system that would put Gnostics on the same plane as orthodox (small and large O) Christians: If all beliefs are inherently equal just because everyone has their own version of events, how are we supposed to know who to follow? Do we just close our eyes and point, or do we have more reason than that?

Prejudice, when applied to arguments such as those you’ll find in this thread, involves a pre-judgment of the facts prior to hearing all relevant information. It is not the same as a prejudice against people for the color of their skin, or their sex, or some other physical characteristic that they cannot change. Religion is not like that. You can change your religion (or at least you should be allowed to…another value judgement, I know), and besides, all religions make exclusive claims, so you can’t truly believe in one without disbelieving in all others. Any religion that does not claim that it is the right way to achieve its objectives is not going to be very attractive to anyone. If I am “prejudiced” for having a point of view that disinclines me from leaving my own religion to join another (since I do not believe all are equal in intent or content), then aren’t the followers of other religions equally “prejudiced” for clinging to their beliefs and not adopting mine?

Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. The young person who started this thread did so with a declarative statement that, like it or not, lead certain posters here to prejudge him. That is not wrong, that is what a natural outcome of chosing to believe in something. If I tell you I am Christian, can I then accuse you of prejudice against me when you assume that I am at least aware of the existence of Jesus? No. This whole “I am a Satanist, but I don’t believe in Satan; it’s just a philosophy” business is just like that.

Some people here stand for something, be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Atheism, or Satanism. If you have such trouble with people who will not accept everything under the sun with equal consideration, then I guess you have trouble with basically everyone here, because the majority of us have made our choices and stick by our theological guns (or lack thereof) with no apologies forthcoming.
 
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