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Huh? Do you even know God? Do you know what & who God is? If you do know, then how could you say that God can change His mind? If you say God can change His mind, then you must not know Him.
Blade and Blood, says a lot of things that make people wonder…
But, I don’t think any of us can cast doubt about Blade and Blood’s “knowing” him, because we all see through the glass with eyes that are in different points in our journey. I simply told B&B that God would not be God if this were so. I never cast doubt on B&B’s love or “knowing” Jesus. Because, I can’t know that.
No one but Jesus does.🙂
B&B has a lot of compassion to even think this a possiblity.
Even if we both agree it’s futile to change God’s mind.
Her heart is filled with compassion.
Misguided? Maybe. I am not sure. She loves. She really loves.
But its from her heart. We can’t say she does not know Jesus, but we can say she may not understand what catholic teaching is on that one.
And, I certainly respect her honesty from the heart without resorting to disrespectful attacks. B&B is always respectful.
You gotta love her for so many things.🙂
 
LaVeyan Satanists (for the 66th time) worship themselves.
And those who worship themselves worship the devil by default. The devil only wanted to exalt himself and not God and that is why he was thrown from heaven. The devil loves it when we “worship” ourselves. We are his domain if we do. He will only be laughing with satisfaction if we worship ourselves.

The devil wants you to think that he does not exist. He also wants you to think that God does not exist. But even if you believe God exists, the devil still wants you to think that he does not exist at all.
 
I understood exactly what you meant. The devil and the angels are not mythical at all. If you say that they are then you could easily say that you and I are mythical. That is such utter nonsense. The angels are a reality of God’s creation. The fallen angels are now the devils. Just like the angels who fell we too can easily fall if we do not keep our eye on Jesus Christ and obey Him in His Commandments.
Exactly. The angels had Full Knowledge of God.
We never did.
 
But, I don’t think any of us can cast doubt about Blade and Blood’s “knowing” him, because we all see through the glass with eyes that are in different points in our journey. I simply told B&B that God would not be God if this were so. I never cast doubt on B&B’s love or “knowing” Jesus. Because, I can’t know that.
No one but Jesus does.
To love God is to know Him. To know God is to Love Him. If B&B does not know that God cannot change His mind then she does not know Him. But hopefully now she will know that God cannot change His mind.
B&B has a lot of compassion to even think this a possiblity.
Compassion to think that God can change His mind?
We can’t say she does not know Jesus, but we can say she may not understand what catholic teaching is on that one.
I’m looking at her comment she made. That right there tells me that she does not know God.

Her feelings about God is another story. And yes, only God knows her heart. But she should get to know God before saying that she loves Him. Or if she loves Him, she could get to know Him more.
And, I certainly respect her honesty from the heart without resorting to disrespectful attacks.
I was not attacking her. I was asking her a question.
 
who was that in the OT that dared to "challenge"God to get Him to change His mind about destroying a city? if i were to find say 10 rightous men would you spare the city.if i were to find one rightous man would you spare the city.God agreed to change His mind…
 
His children. Christ came for his Children.
Knowing you are a child of Christ, changes everything.
I await that day with great anticipation, to also be his child.
Only because I know now, what I must do.
I believe he would have died for even **one man **who believed.
Obviously God knew who He was sending Jesus to free. That is His being all knowing would have given Him the knowledge of who was going to be saved.

But without getting into that circular reference, Jesus came to redeem mankind, to help man achieve what human flesh alone could not, union with God.

Man having free will has the capacity to reject Christ’s sacrifice, I think this makes it clear that Jesus died for those who would or would not accept Him.

That was the reason for my question to you. I’ve often heard that Christ came to save the elected, as if we have no choice in the matter or the capacity to be saved. I’m sure that it is quite a complicated theological question, perhaps the knowledge base here on this board can help.

Victor
 
Obviously God knew who He was sending Jesus to free. That is His being all knowing would have given Him the knowledge of who was going to be saved.

But without getting into that circular reference, Jesus came to redeem mankind, to help man achieve what human flesh alone could not, union with God.

Man having free will has the capacity to reject Christ’s sacrifice, I think this makes it clear that Jesus died for those who would or would not accept Him.

That was the reason for my question to you. I’ve often heard that Christ came to save the elected, as if we have no choice in the matter or the capacity to be saved. I’m sure that it is quite a complicated theological question, perhaps the knowledge base here on this board can help.

Victor
Hello Victor,
I do not believe in predestination (especially not double predestination)

St Dismus sort of makes it hard to.

We have free will. To Accept graces given to us, depending on our receptivness to that grace. We can fail when we remain unreceptive or decide to not perservere.🙂
At least, that is how I see it in a nutshell at the moment.
I could elaborate, but that’s the quick version for me now.🙂
 
who was that in the OT that dared to "challenge"God to get Him to change His mind about destroying a city? if i were to find say 10 rightous men would you spare the city.if i were to find one rightous man would you spare the city.God agreed to change His mind…
Soddom and Ghemorrah (spelling may be off) but that is not the only time…
 
And those who worship themselves worship the devil by default. The devil only wanted to exalt himself and not God and that is why he was thrown from heaven. The devil loves it when we “worship” ourselves. We are his domain if we do. He will only be laughing with satisfaction if we worship ourselves.

The devil wants you to think that he does not exist. He also wants you to think that God does not exist. But even if you believe God exists, the devil still wants you to think that he does not exist at all.
Well, then, instead of channeling all the energy and fearing the works of the devil (or nonexistent devil), why don’t we just ignore him and love and care for each other… that way, the devil will just fall on his own. 😃
 
That is why I asked you to give me a proof for the philosophy to be as exciting.
🙂

I had Imryl in mind, with her personal testimony when you said what you did.

I still hold that the philosophy is not as exciting. Nor is it the same.
Ah! The philosophy. Sorry. :o

The basic philosophy, believe it or not, is to live as human nature intended… and by “nature”, I mean the animal kingdom… Funny, huh? 😛

LV Satanism teaches that man is another animal, the most vicious of them all. They have to power to live independently or with a significant other if they choose. There’s more to it, but that’s the basic idea.

I always found that very fascinating, but there are some things in LV Satanism that I don’t quite agree with. 😉
 
Huh? Do you even know God? Do you know what & who God is? If you do know, then how could you say that God can change His mind? If you say God can change His mind, then you must not know Him.
I can’t say I know God just yet. I may be Catholic on the outside, but I am Agnostic at heart. I think there’s more to him. 😛 But I won’t find that out until I’m dead. :cool: In the meantime, I’ll learn the points of view in other beliefs just for the heck of it! 😃
 
Ah! The philosophy. Sorry. :o

The basic philosophy, believe it or not, is to live as human nature intended… and by “nature”, I mean the animal kingdom… Funny, huh? 😛

LV Satanism teaches that man is another animal, the most vicious of them all. They have to power to live independently or with a significant other if they choose. There’s more to it, but that’s the basic idea.

I always found that very fascinating, but there are some things in LV Satanism that I don’t quite agree with. 😉
I see. But, how do they make of the angels that wished to be “with” humans if this is what humans are?
Of course, I mean the fallen angels. Would that make them also like the most vicious of them all by thinking of it even?
 
Hello Victor,
I do not believe in predestination (especially not double predestination)

St Dismus sort of makes it hard to.

We have free will. To Accept graces given to us, depending on our receptivness to that grace. We can fail when we remain unreceptive or decide to not perservere.🙂
At least, that is how I see it in a nutshell at the moment.
I could elaborate, but that’s the quick version for me now.🙂
That is about how I remember it. My point was that giving your life in defense of strangers, or non-believers still counts, still a worthy sacrifice. I take issue with Christians who separate themselves from the rest fo humanity as if Christ died only for them. It was not the righteous Christ came to rescue, after all, it was the sick.

I’ve alwas had a soft side for other religions, even weird ones (weird by my standards, that is)

God bless,

Victor
 
I’ve met 3 LaVey Satanists. Two of them fall into the catagories you’ve already described. One has a BS in Mechanical Engineering and works for a defense contractor on the east coast. Doing something or other with submarines.

I’m not a LaVeyian, but I am 1 year from my masters in VLSI (Very Large Scale Integration) Design. Well testing anyway… My focus, or research, is finding ways to tell if additional hardware, such as trojans, have been added to a design. (Meaning someone submits a layout of a chip, and the manufacturer has added some logic that would potentially send sensitive information to a hostile state.)

This is very important these days as it costs about 4 billion to equip a fab to manufacture the new technology found in chips. Many fabs have been outsourced to countries outside the United States, India and China mostly. The US has two fabs, SNL and another Fab located in Vermont (though the name escapes me).

Unfortunately, no one has come up with a good way to detect this malicious hardware because adding a few logic gates doesn’t significantly change the amount of current drawn, neither is the change in delay large enough to accurately/consistently detect.

(Technology - size of a transistor on a chip, there are millions of transistors on chips these days)

I also work full time as a ASIC (Application Specific Integrated Circuit) Design engineer for a reputable company. I have a 4 year old daughter, and I’ve been happily married for over 5 years. I have never, and will never, wear all black, paint my nails etc. I am not a feminist and I prefer sunny, hot weather. I like Catholicism, because… honestly, how can you not read some of the Church Fathers and not be amazed by their insightfulness!

No doom and gloom for me. It’s a serious waste of energy.

So do all Satanists match your description? nah…
This is sincerely very fascinating, but I fail to see the relevance of your educational and career path to the points I had raised, because you admit to not adhering to LaVey’s ideas in any sort of meaningful way.

But as an aside, I of course must admit that I have created a certain stereotype based on my experiences, and that not all CoS individuals can be described by this stereotype.
 
Believe it or not, LV Satanists wouldn’t disagree with that. 😉
This is, of course, something that each LVS could and should decide for themself; but I disagree with the notion that Anton LaVey, or any of his writings, or any of the public ideas of his organisation, should adhere to Christ’s statement on love and sacrifice.

As you already know, LaVeyanism views man as being an animal. More specifically, as a biological machine that has been programmed by evolution, by civilization, and by experience. The second and third of these ‘programming languages’, so says LaVey, have been largely the result, in the West, of the slave-master mentality which Christianity has caused.

(Why is Satan, as an image, so intrinsic to LaVey’s thought? Amongst other reasons, because the Satanic archetype is one which reverses the ‘slave-master mentality’ of Christianity to a ‘master-slave’ mentality; and this is the beginning of the reasons that LaVey thought so highly of concepts like mass-hypnosis, of manipultation and control, and why he was so fascinated with people like Hitler and Stalin.)

The first of the ‘programming languages’, evolution, is one which has given man the primordial instinct of self-preservation. This, says LaVey, is the groundwork upon which all morality and society are based; and this is the reason why LaVey’s world was one which is bleak, hateful, and cruel. All men wish only what is best for themselves, and to state otherwise is to engage in hypocrisy, and to wear a ‘good-guy badge’: which is a psychological pose worn for the sake of being accepted by one’s peers and the society to which one belongs.

In this view, man is also entirely selfish and self-centred; which is what LaVey termed the ‘left hand path’ and how he interpreted ‘black’ magic. Furthermore, this view is also contradictory to the notion of self-less love and of sacrifice; which are viewed as being opposed to man’s most natural instinct of self-preservation.

You have stated, rightly, that LaVeyanism believes that men should love those who deserve their love. But what does this mean? It is not simply the notion that man cannot love everyone equally, but it is more than that. It centres on the notion that every Satanist is more than a mere man, but a sort of Nietzschean uebermensch, who is self-sufficient in his financial power, and thus does not depend upon or need the approval of society, who is intellectually and creatively a genius, and who controls others with a very deep understanding of human psychology. This is the ideal of Belial; he who is without a master. This is also the basis of the idea that people like Disney or Bill Gates exhibit(ed) ‘satanic’ traits.

Notice, furthermore, that human emotions are largely viewed as being a sort of ‘master’, which must be controlled; ‘induldgence but not compulsion’, as it is called by LaVey. (Put very basically, LaVeyanism ignores many human emotions as being the result of the ‘programming’ of Christianity; and that they are thus repressed in a very unhealthy manner unless they are released in the form of ritual, which in this case becomes a sort of psychotherapy. Is this wise? The potential for ‘neurosis’ is absolutely massive, and is the reason that many feel ‘burned out’ by Laveyanism, and leave it for other philosophies or religions.)

But the concept of ‘deserving love’, then, is based upon the concept of Belial meeting his equal, but never his master, as this is intrinsically impossible. The concept of self-less never comes into it; for indeed, LaVeyanism views that love itself is the result of the instinct of self-preservation, and that only the weak require other people in a compulsory manner. How are those loved viewed, then? Merely as equals who are to be indulged in, but never ruled over by.

Would a LaVeyanist die for such a person? Again, this depends on the individual, but the *ideal *states ‘absolutely no’! Why is this? Because it contradicts the most pure aspect of humanity, to do that which is necessary to survive and to live.

LaVeyanism would reconstruct Jesus’ words in this manner: there is no greater weakness in man, than to die for those to whom he is addicted, for he has become their slave, and they his master, a psychic vampire who has truly removed from its victim its very life force.

Edit: the most striking example, in my mind, of LaVey’s view of the purpose of human companionship, is that he kept in his house, a room that was made up to look like a bar, and in which were many mannequins, to whom he would speak and for whom he would play the caliope. If you have ever seen *I am Legend, *then you should have very little difficult imagining the scene.

LaVey viewed himself to be most in need of teaching others and being their master thereby, and even if they could not comprehend him, as a mannequin could not, he cared very little.
 
I see. But, how do they make of the angels that wished to be “with” humans if this is what humans are?
Of course, I mean the fallen angels. Would that make them also like the most vicious of them all by thinking of it even?
LaVeyanism does not accept belief in the supernatural to be valid, and instead interpret things like angels in a psychological sense.
 
I would be very interested in hearing from a theistic Satanist as this seems more interesting than LaVey’s Satanism…

Perhaps these individuals would be less likely to post here however.
 
I would be very interested in hearing from a theistic Satanist as this seems more interesting than LaVey’s Satanism…

Perhaps these individuals would be less likely to post here however.
More interesting perhaps, but are they less dangerous? The softer, gentler, ahw common we’re just folk like anyone else with a different twist type seems a lot more damaging to me.

What do you think?

Victor
 
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