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So, KJV and NIT don’t have all the books?

what book does?:confused:

When you say “go home” you mean when he went to heaven? :confused:

Sorry, if I am kinda slow, just tryin to learn, and learn it fully not miss anything, cause if I miss somethin, I might miss somethin imporatnt (the whole bible is important of course)
 
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lol, I should know these things, but I don’t, tell me please?
Most of the books of the New Testament that we use today were written by around 100 AD. However, there were also many other documents around at the time that didn’t make it into the Bible. There were many groups in the early church that had heretical beliefs. For example, the Gnostics believed that the Bible contained “hidden wisdom” that could only be uncovered through intensive study. ANYONE who could uncover these secrets would be admitted into heaven, whether they were Mother Teresa or Adolf Hitler. They also believed that anything made of substance (the fleshly world) was evil and corrupt, and that only the spiritual (the realm of thought and the mind) was good. Therefore, they rejected that God could possibly have become man, because he would never have denegrated himself to a form made out of flawed, evil flesh. The Gnostics wrote many scriptures, like the Gospel of Thomas, later in order to validate their ideas. Other books were written out of a desire for ordinary people to learn more about the missing parts of Jesus’s life. These folk tales were clearly invented, but many were written down, like the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, which tells about what Jesus did from his birth to the age of 12. Still other books discussed the early church in a faithful manner and were used to teach, but were simply not inspired. Books in this category include the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, and the Didache.

So, for three hundred years, traditions were passed along orally through the successors of the Apostles, but debate continued about WHICH Scriptures were inspired. Although there was general consensus about the four Gospels and most of Paul’s letters, some locations in the Roman Empire were including some of these false scriptures, and others were rejecting ones that we use today (like 2 Peter and Revelations). The vast distances in the Roman Empire made it difficult for the isolated and persecuted underground Christian communities to keep things standardized, which made the appointment of Bishops, which represented their congregations who traveled frequently to discuss doctrinal matters with other communities, very important.

As a result of all of this confusion, by the early 300s, another heresy was growing due to the inability to decide upon scripture. Some Christians were rejecting the Trinity, believing that Jesus was only a man. They were called Arius. So, a council was called by the Emperor Constantine to hash out Christian doctrine once and for all. This was the famous Council of Nicea in 325, which gave us the Nicene Creed which we use to define Christians today.

The Catholic (catholic means “universal”, and refers to the fact that there was ONLY one, unified denomination at first) bishops also realized that it was time to definitively figure out what was scripture and what wasn’t, and so a series of other councils were held in the late 300s, including the Councils of Carthage, Hippo, and Rome. This finally standardized the Bible by around 400 AD. BUT… there was STILL a problem! The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, while the New Testament was written in Greek. Only if someone could read BOTH languages (which was very uncommon) could a person actually read ALL of the scriptures for themselves. Only when St. Jerome finally completed his Latin translation did a single version in a single language exist, in the early 400s AD.

So, for 400 years, it was Catholic bishops that held the church together and decided doctrine. It was Catholic bishops that determined what books were inspired. They did this because the Catholic Church had the protection of the Holy Spirit, to ensure that their choices were accurate. We believe that the bishops continue to hold that power today, and that Sacred Tradition is as important as the Bible (which is why some traditions that we believe are not explicitly in the Bible).

So, if it wasn’t for the Catholic Church, there wouldn’t even BE a Bible!
 
Most of the books of the New Testament that we use today were written by around 100 AD. However, there were also many other documents around at the time that didn’t make it into the Bible. There were many groups in the early church that had heretical beliefs. For example, the Gnostics believed that the Bible contained “hidden wisdom” that could only be uncovered through intensive study. ANYONE who could uncover these secrets would be admitted into heaven, whether they were Mother Teresa or Adolf Hitler. They also believed that anything made of substance (the fleshly world) was evil and corrupt, and that only the spiritual (the realm of thought and the mind) was good. Therefore, they rejected that God could possibly have become man, because he would never have denegrated himself to a form made out of flawed, evil flesh. The Gnostics wrote many scriptures, like the Gospel of Thomas, later in order to validate their ideas. Other books were written out of a desire for ordinary people to learn more about the missing parts of Jesus’s life. These folk tales were clearly invented, but many were written down, like the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, which tells about what Jesus did from his birth to the age of 12. Still other books discussed the early church in a faithful manner and were used to teach, but were simply not inspired. Books in this category include the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, and the Didache.

So, for three hundred years, traditions were passed along orally through the successors of the Apostles, but debate continued about WHICH Scriptures were inspired. Although there was general consensus about the four Gospels and most of Paul’s letters, some locations in the Roman Empire were including some of these false scriptures, and others were rejecting ones that we use today (like 2 Peter and Revelations). The vast distances in the Roman Empire made it difficult for the isolated and persecuted underground Christian communities to keep things standardized, which made the appointment of Bishops, which represented their congregations who traveled frequently to discuss doctrinal matters with other communities, very important.

As a result of all of this confusion, by the early 300s, another heresy was growing due to the inability to decide upon scripture. Some Christians were rejecting the Trinity, believing that Jesus was only a man. They were called Arius. So, a council was called by the Emperor Constantine to hash out Christian doctrine once and for all. This was the famous Council of Nicea in 325, which gave us the Nicene Creed which we use to define Christians today.

The Catholic (catholic means “universal”, and refers to the fact that there was ONLY one, unified denomination at first) bishops also realized that it was time to definitively figure out what was scripture and what wasn’t, and so a series of other councils were held in the late 300s, including the Councils of Carthage, Hippo, and Rome. This finally standardized the Bible by around 400 AD. BUT… there was STILL a problem! The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, while the New Testament was written in Greek. Only if someone could read BOTH languages (which was very uncommon) could a person actually read ALL of the scriptures for themselves. Only when St. Jerome finally completed his Latin translation did a single version in a single language exist, in the early 400s AD.

So, for 400 years, it was Catholic bishops that held the church together and decided doctrine. It was Catholic bishops that determined what books were inspired. They did this because the Catholic Church had the protection of the Holy Spirit, to ensure that their choices were accurate. We believe that the bishops continue to hold that power today, and that Sacred Tradition is as important as the Bible (which is why some traditions that we believe are not explicitly in the Bible).

So, if it wasn’t for the Catholic Church, there wouldn’t even BE a Bible!
Pride is a sin, brother. Not tryin to be mean.

Ok, but where could I get a “full” bible? like the only thing I see at local stores is KJV and NIT.
 
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So, KJV and NIT don’t have all the books?

what book does?:confused:
the Catholic Bibles have all the books that were originially in the Bible… they are called “deutero-canonical” books (Esther, Wisdom, Maccabees… etc).
When you say “go home” you mean when he went to heaven? :confused:
right.
cause if I miss somethin, I might miss somethin imporatnt (the whole bible is important of course)
only the Catholic Church teaches/preaches everything that is in the Bible… Purgatory is in the Bible (though not the words Purgatory, but the concept of a place of purging… cleansing: 1 Cor 3:13, st. matthew 18:23 ("…till the entire debt was paid), st. Matthew 12:32 (?): forgiveness in the age to come…

you say the whole bible is important… The whole of what Christ desired for us is important…

I am the kind of person who questions everything or virtually everything… so i have doubts here and there about my faith… The Catholic church has one hting i never doubt about: The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist… and in the Church… The consecrated Hosts are put in a tabernacle and kept there perpetually… so we can sit in his wonderful presence… Imagine being with the one who knows everything abaout us and loves us unconditionally anyway… the only one who can help us… 🙂
 
Pride is a sin, brother. Not tryin to be mean.

Ok, but where could I get a “full” bible? like the only thing I see at local stores is KJV and NIT.
You could get one from a regular bookstore. Any of the following versions would be good:

The Douay-Rheims (similar to the King James in language)
The Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition (the Protestant version does not included the missing books, and makes certain changes to certain passages)
The New Jerusalem Bible
The New American Bible
Today’s English Version (The Good News Bible)
The Confraternity Version
The New Revised Standard Version
 
the Catholic Bibles have all the books that were originially in the Bible… they are called “deutero-canonical” books (Esther, Wisdom, Maccabees… etc). right.

only the Catholic Church teaches/preaches everything that is in the Bible… Purgatory is in the Bible (though not the words Purgatory, but the concept of a place of purging… cleansing: 1 Cor 3:13, st. matthew 18:23 ("…till the entire debt was paid), st. Matthew 12:32 (?): forgiveness in the age to come…

you say the whole bible is important… The whole of what Christ desired for us is important…

I am the kind of person who questions everything or virtually everything… so i have doubts here and there about my faith… The Catholic church has one hting i never doubt about: The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist… and in the Church… The consecrated Hosts are put in a tabernacle and kept there perpetually… so we can sit in his wonderful presence… Imagine being with the one who knows everything abaout us and loves us unconditionally anyway… the only one who can help us… 🙂
Gosh, I am honestly starting to believe you, lol. I am going to keep asking questions about Catholocism, just to be clear, k?

I am gonna research some topics like:

Peter and the rock, to see how you explain it.
Popacy, although I kidna see that now, but still, the idea of one man in charge of me, other than Jesus is kinda disturbing.
 
Pride is a sin, brother. Not tryin to be mean.
I’m not trying to be prideful. honestly. Catholic means universal, but Protestants broke away in protest, shattering that unity. That too is serious. The problem with Protestantism is that it is plagued by thousands of different individual interpretations, rendering it impossible to know what to believe for certain, and undoubtedly leading many into error. Catholicism, however, has the guaranteed protection of the Holy Spirit to ensure that its decisions are correct, keeping everyone on the same page.
 
I’m not trying to be prideful. honestly. Catholic means universal, but Protestants broke away in protest, shattering that unity. That too is serious. The problem with Protestantism is that it is plagued by thousands of different individual interpretations, rendering it impossible to know what to believe for certain, and undoubtedly leading many into error. Catholicism, however, has the guaranteed protection of the Holy Spirit to ensure that its decisions are correct, keeping everyone on the same page.
The ending of your line seemed like pride, I guess I was mistaken?

You know, protestanism might be wrong, or right, but either way love your friends, and love your enemies.
 
The ending of your line seemed like pride, I guess I was mistaken?

You know, protestanism might be wrong, or right, but either way love your friends, and love your enemies.
It’s not always an either or. Protestantism has some truths, but not the FULLNESS of Truth.
 
The ending of your line seemed like pride, I guess I was mistaken?
If you read your history, you will see he is just stating historical facts. That is not prideful, is it? I’ve heard people say (with a straight face) the Bible fell out of the sky. Read up on the links provided you with an open mind and a prayerful heart. You will learn a lot!

When you say you trust the Bible, you need to think why? Where did the Bible come from? Who decided which writings were inspired and which were not? Even in the early Church, St. Jerome, who compiled the first Latin Vulgate Bible (written in Latin, so that the common man could read it, because the language of the western world in the 4th centuray AD) disagreed with Pope St. Damasius on the number of inspired books. In the end, he submitted to the Pope.
 
hmm, some books I don’t recognize lol. I am gonna buy one, I do better reading.
The texts which Protestants do not recognize are as follows:
Code:
* Tobit
* Judith
* Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4-16:24, but see also Esther in the NAB)
* Wisdom
* Sirach, also called Ben Sira or Ecclesiasticus
* Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint[5])
* Additions to Daniel:
      o Song of the Three Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24-90)
      o Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue)
      o The Idol Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue)
* 1 Maccabees
* 2 Maccabees
 
You should also know that many documents from the early days of Christianity, BESIDES the Bible do still exist. They are the writings of the Early Church Fathers. If you want to see what the earliest Christians actually believed, and how THEY interpreted scripture, it’s good to check some of them out.
 
ChristainKnight and other denisons here,
As you probably see there is a tremendous amount of information about the Church to absorb.

TO ALL POSTERS HERE:
ChristianKnight obviously has a lot to try and absorb. I would like to see a list of books that folks here would recommend to a person in his position.
So come on folks what would make good reading for him. Something that is a good overview.

Didn’t somebody mention a “Catholicism for Dummies” book? I haven’t read it, but I have had good luck with other books in that series.

Peace
James
 
Thats opinoin, even though I have found one truth they don’t have, backed with scripture.
CK,

When the word Protestant or Protestantism is used people kind of have a general idea of what it means. Protestants are those people who belong to Christian denominations that originated with Martin Luther’s separation that occured early in the 1600s. He started it all and from his original break away group there have been thousands of denominations that can be traced back to his.

Do they believe doctrines that are true? Is that possible? The reasons they all had to break away from one another have to do with doctriinal disagreements. Some believe that once a person is saved they can never lose their salvation. Other Protestants say salvation can be lost. Some believe in some sacraments, others do not. They believe different things about baptism, worship, and have different positions on morality. Logic says that only one of them might have all their doctrines that are true, or none. So what do Protestants believe? They believe different things about different things. The one thing they all agree on is that the Bible is the sole rule of faith. Martin Luther taught that. So why are they not all Lutherans? They can not agree on what the Bible means. Why not? The Bible is interpreted by different people differently. Then how can we know what true doctrine is? What does the Bible say about how we know? The Bible says that Jesus did not found His Church on the Bible. It says He founded His Church on men. They are His apostles and He singeled Peter out to be the leader. Jesus says whatever they teach on earth will be true. He guarantees it. That is what the Bible says. It also says about His Church that it is the “pilar of fire and the foundation of truth”. Where will you find this Church?

Logic says there can only be one Church or none that has all their doctrines correct. Which one might that be?
 
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