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Through_Him said:
Hello, Anna you have a very pretty name.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne

I have read this thread and you seem to keep up on all the posts. I believe in Jesus Christ. I will try to answer all your questions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
That is a text book answer.

I think God is Love. And forgiveness and much more.
I promise not to spit on your shoes how am I doing?
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Well, first guide to not spitting on my shoes is not try to win my love my complimenting me please. And your comment is so basic its hurtful.
 
mauricio0 said:
Science answers are not 100% certain.

Prove God

Absolute morals what the heck?
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I guess I misunderstood the accusations against God in this thread. Are the posts that object to God’s actions/judgments in the OT from the belief that He was too flexible and passive, or because He was firm and unyielding?
 
Annabea said:
Well, first guide to not spitting on my shoes is not try to win my love my complimenting me please. And your comment is so basic its hurtful.
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Because ?? You don’t think I mean what I write?
I’m sorry 😦 if you take it that way i really was trying to be nice.
 
Through_Him said:
Thank you for coming here. You are always invited. Or did you mean the atheists coming? Not sure.
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Somebody posted a link to this forum in another, atheist, forum I belong to. I simply posted this link to see if they thought I was doing well as a 12 year old arguing with a ton of chritsys. Guess they were interested. But, yes its to them.
 
Through_Him said:
Because ?? You don’t think I mean what I write?
I’m sorry 😦 if you take it that way i really was trying to be nice.
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🙂 lighten up, I know you were trying to be nice. But seriously, I hear that from every Christian i talk to.
 
mauricio0 said:
Science answers are not 100% certain.

Prove God

Absolute morals what the heck?

Humans tend to have fear for death so they invented afterlife. They also want to control over life and hate it is not fair, so God and his inevitable judgement were born.
If humans really wanted control over their lives, then the God of the Bible would not have been the most logical choice.
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Annabea said:
Well, first guide to not spitting on my shoes is not try to win my love my complimenting me please. And your comment is so basic its hurtful.
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I’ m sorry I feel you are really hurting from someone who did you wrong more than likely a christian. I am just trying to connect to that hurting soul if you want to talk about it just tell us all your story you will see we have ones of our own. Here is another video that might bring comfort. I am so glad you have loving friends and Jesus is a real friend to me.
youtube.com/watch?v=cyFxArMeRDI&feature=related
 
wxboss said:
If humans really wanted control over their lives, then the God of the Bible would not have been the most logical choice.
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God gives control, because they think that if they do good things they will be rewarded and people who do them wrong will be punished. This way life is not out of control, out of HUMAND ORDER, wich means fairness. In reality the universe have an order: the law of physic, natural selection among many. But this laws do not care about the human being and they are not fair.
 
Through_Him said:
I’ m sorry I feel you are really hurting from someone who did you wrong more than likely a christian. I am just trying to connect to that hurting soul if you want to talk about it just tell us all your story you will see we have ones of our own. Here is another video that might bring comfort. I am so glad you have loving friends and Jesus is a real friend to me.
youtube.com/watch?v=cyFxArMeRDI&feature=related
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  • Groans * That was a joke, I really hope you realize that cause if you don’t…
 
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Annabea said:
Correction:
Christianity is a religion on which the followers rely on an afterlife, if it isn’t there…then they would have spent a 7th or more of their life worshipping something that wasn’t there.
Atheism offers a different look at the world and freedom. Atheists are not limited to what a book tells them what they can and can’t do. They are more self independent. Yet, they are also mature, you do not see atheists coming up in the paper because they are on a mass murder spree. There are so many more Christians in jails than atheists. Yes, there are a lot more Christians, but there are also a lot of atheists believe it or not. And still, it doesn’t even out the charts. The atheists in prisons are more like 0.01% or something and Christians being like 85%. Its crazy.
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Annabea, you’re just a child and you’re being infected by atheist rhetoric and lies. Presumably you’re parents are Christian because you don(t want to listen to them.
Personally I wouldn’t sit back and let my 12 year old get bogged down in the quagmire.
Your parents are still responsible for your spiritual formation and welfare. What are you doing hanging around with a gang of no-hopers ?
Tonette
 
matahari said:
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Annabea, you’re just a child and you’re being infected by atheist rhetoric and lies. Presumably you’re parents are Christian because you don(t want to listen to them.
Personally I wouldn’t sit back and let my 12 year old get bogged down in the quagmire.
Your parents are still responsible for your spiritual formation and welfare. What are you doing hanging around with a gang of no-hopers ?
Tonette
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You had to do the patronizing comment didn’t you?

Annabea is the most intelligent and cultured 12 years old girl I have ever seen, she could probably beat, in an argument, a large portion of the adult believers. You should reserve your judgment until you see her ideas.
 
matahari said:
:confused::confused:
Annabea, you’re just a child and you’re being infected by atheist rhetoric and lies… What are you doing hanging around with a gang of no-hopers ?
Tonette
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by Travis Morgan
Atheism and hope
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When theists say that an atheist cannot be motivated or cannot have “hope,” they are sadly mistaken. Their claim is that atheism doesn’t offer mankind the hope, comfort, happiness, and benefits that theism does. Of course it doesn’t! Atheism doesn’t offer hope via believing in a supernatural deity because a-theism is an absence of theism, it is a lack of belief in a god or gods. Of course it isn’t a stance that “offers” something. If theists want to make such a claim and actually make some argumentative headway, they should at least compare to a stance that is “for” something, something that atheists DO believe.
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But atheism doesn’t define what a person DOES believe. Not all atheists are going to believe in the same things just because they happen to share a lack of belief in a god or gods. Conversely, atheists also often happen to be secularists, humanists, naturalists, materialists, etc… stances that do profess and/or offer something. These stances are separate from atheism. They are just stances that happen to portray what some people that may also happen to be atheists do believe in. So if theists must insist on appealing to consequences, what they should be comparing to are those stances that portray what a person “does” believe in, not what a person lacks belief in. Also, this “appeal to consequences” theists use is a logical fallacy, that “you should believe in god because it gives you hope,” when used in an argument to conclude that we should believe a god exist because they consider the consequences of such a belief to be desirable. These consequences still attest nothing the verity of that in which one believes or disbelieves.
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If we must examine this appeal to consequences in light of “hope” and in relation to atheism which again isn’t really a proper comparison, than let’s start with the obvious consequence difference of “life after death.” A theist will claim that theists can have more hope in regards to death because they believe they have a soul and that their soul has a chance to go to heaven, or… maybe even hell, but nevertheless they believe they will live beyond their physical death. This possible reward of heaven is one of the biggest motivations that fuels their hope. They hope they can go to heaven and so they attempt to live as the bible or their church says they should that will lead them to heaven. This hope and motivation of living beyond death and going to heaven a theist will say an atheist cannot have, and rightly so. Because atheists don’t believe in heaven or hell, and in most cases, don’t believe in a soul and life after death. However, because a person doesn’t believe in life after death doesn’t mean that a person can’t be motivated to live, or to have hopes that they can change the world in a positive way. On the contrary, a person who doesn’t believe there is life after death, and does believe that after they die, that that’s it, game over, they know they have this one life to live and that’s it, this motivates them to live it to their fullest. It is the only life they have, so they are often motivated by this to live it out perhaps even more fully and freely then a theist, because a theist believes their life on earth is just the beginning, and therefore may not value it as much as one who thinks it is the only one they have to live.
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If an atheist were to have a “hope” in relation to the topic of death, I think many would hope to have changed the world for the better while they were alive, through the footprints they left, their actions, or even through his or her children. This is how an atheist lives beyond death. Other atheist may not even hope for this, they may just accept death as it is, being the end of life, and simply feel fortunate for having been part of the universe for having ridden the rollercoaster. The transient-ness of it all makes it all the more precious. Knowing it’s going to end, you try and hope to get as much out of it as well as contribute to it as you can. An atheist who happens to also be a secularists, humanists, naturalists, materialists, or other, accepts this, and is motivated by it, and “hopes” to come closer to understanding nature while enjoying the ride on the way. An atheist can dream, hope, be moved, and motivated just like anyone else, their motivations, hopes, and dreams just happen to be founded in the natural world, no preservatives or supernatural flavor required.
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What do people hope for? People usually hope for the best, for something that will improve our well-being or the well-being of mankind. Can an atheist hope for these things? Of course! A lack of belief in a god has no bearing on one’s ability to have hope. While many atheists also happen to be skeptics, naturalists, materialists, secularists, etc… which may result in naturalistic explanations founded on evidence, reason, and logic, these realistic expectations do not negate the ability of an atheist to “hope” for the best.
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Just like anyone else that hopes for human progress and well-being, atheists do too. The thing with atheists is, while they do have hopes, they’d rather do more than just sit around hoping or praying that things get better, they’d rather get off their feet and follow the evidence, work towards improvement, tackle potential problems head-on, and make a difference. They don’t need supernatural motivation or the reward or heaven or punishment of hell to be motivated to do these things. An atheist realizes that taking action accomplishes more than simply hoping or praying for things to get better.
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mauricio0 said:
God gives control, because they think that if they do good things they will be rewarded and people who do them wrong will be punished. This way life is not out of control, out of HUMAND ORDER, wich means fairness. In reality the universe have an order: the law of physic, natural selection among many. But this laws do not care about the human being and they are not fair.
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Your arguments are becoming more and more circular. You first stated that people want to be in control, and then you state that the only way they can be in control is (presumably through their own fanciful creation) being under the control of something or someone else.

How can the created control the Creator? Or how can someone become free by inventing/creating a master?
 
wxboss said:
Your arguments are becoming more and more circular. You first stated that people want to be in control, and then you state that the only way they can be in control is (presumably through their own fanciful creation) being under the control of something or someone else.

How can the created control the Creator? Or how can someone become free by inventing/creating a master?
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Well I misused the word. I meant that god makes life fair. People seeing that life is not fair, wished life was fair; and that’s where the idea of do good things and good things happened to you, and the inevitable judgment of the fairest being, came from.

This is just a reason I think is part of the psychology of religion, which I don’t know much really. I only said it, because you talked something about human psychology.

Whoever, you decided to ignore everything else. Can you prove god? I’m an atheist because I lack believe in god. There is no reason to have faith or to believe in God. Everything I have seen so far boils down to faith (blind belief). If I actually see a convincing reason to believe that such a being exists I would turn theist in a split of a second.
 
josie_L said:
You do realize that there aren’t many Atheists in the U.S. to begin with, so what you need to do when you come across such statistics, is compare the amount of atheists who are in Prison with the overall atheist population in the U.S. (so you get a ratio)? Also, there are many Christian ministries that make the effort to change the lives of inmates, how do we know what percentage converted to the religions stated above (they could have started off as Atheists when they went to prison). Basically, all you’re giving is statistical information with no background or context, which is not a smart thing to do.
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I gave this context here, on the page before:
mrhenrik said:
Hey Annabea, I’m from the same forums as you. ;p
Here’s a few sources:
harrisinteractive.com/news/allnewsbydate.asp?NewsID=1131
In 2006, 18% of Americans described themselves as agnostic or atheist.

freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Percentage_of_atheists
In 1997, 0,201% of American inmates were atheists.
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