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You reject as superstition the existence of many thousands of gods. I consider a fraction of a percent more gods a superstition, the god Yahweh.

Your question is premised on the assumption that we’re wrong about Yahweh being classified with the remaining thousands of gods that you consider superstition. We disagree on that point, so we’re working with different assumptions to different conclusions.
I reject “other gods” on the basis that God became incarnate, performed miracles, proclaimed the Truth, died and rose again and left a Church that bares witness to that. I also came to the conclusion based on the gift of Faith and my own reason.
I’m sorry you view it as superstition, I agree that we disagree.
 
I don’t follow, why would the Romans, if they even witnessed any, attribute miracles to something they didn’t believe in? Why would they write about it? Those that DID write about such things became believers. I’m not following you.
The Romans were not the only ones living in that area, and Paganism was not the dominant religion. I did not specify that no contemporaneous Romans wrote about him, I specified that no contemporaneous writer mentions him.

The Bible expressly states that the miracles so impressed at least one Roman that he felt compelled to declare Jesus the son of God. Was he alone? Were people that oblivious to what the bible says was happening? That’s incredible.

Would dead people raising from the grave en masse escape attention? Would a preternatural darkness, attended by other lavish miracles the moment a messianic figure succumbs escape the notice of chroniclers, scribes, historians, and other writers?

So what if they didn’t believe in the Christ or Yahweh. They could see that dead people were in town. They could see that the sky was dark without explanation. Yet they don’t mention a word of it until anonymous authors write undated accounts.
 
I reject “other gods” on the basis that God became incarnate, performed miracles, proclaimed the Truth, died and rose again and left a Church that bares witness to that. I also came to the conclusion based on the gift of Faith and my own reason.
I’m sorry you view it as superstition, I agree that we disagree.
So I have a question for you. I have many friends who are Hindu, Buddhist, and Islamic.

They have as much evidence for Krishna and Mohammad’s miracles as you have for those of Jesus.

Why are they wrong and you right? They’ve all explained to me, of course, why you are wrong and they are right. You can’t all be right, but you can all be wrong. Since you have about equal evidence, this thought experiment alone points to all of you being wrong.
 
The Romans were not the only ones living in that area, and Paganism was not the dominant religion. I did not specify that no contemporaneous Romans wrote about him, I specified that no contemporaneous writer mentions him.

The Bible expressly states that the miracles so impressed at least one Roman that he felt compelled to declare Jesus the son of God. Was he alone? Were people that oblivious to what the bible says was happening? That’s incredible.

Would dead people raising from the grave en masse escape attention? Would a preternatural darkness, attended by other lavish miracles the moment a messianic figure succumbs escape the notice of chroniclers, scribes, historians, and other writers?

So what if they didn’t believe in the Christ or Yahweh. They could see that dead people were in town. They could see that the sky was dark without explanation. Yet they don’t mention a word of it until anonymous authors write undated accounts.
Sorry, your argument doesn’t make sense. Those that witnessed could very well have become believers and then went on to spread the news or were slaughtered by Roman authorities. Again, why would Romans want word of Christ extended further into the Empire? They were trying to stop it. “Hey, we don’t want you to become Christian but check out this really cool historical event of dead people walking in the streets on the account of Jesus the Savior.” It makes no sense.
 
If I might jump in here, you’re right on both counts.

He was too firm and unyielding on issues such as wearing clothes of mixed wool and linen. I think people should be allowed more freedom in fashion choices. Oh, and genocide too - he was rather inflexible on that one. He might have let them spare the babies after all given his stance on stem cell research.

On the flip side, he was too flexible and passive in regulating issues of bronze age commerce, such as slavery and looting competing religions.
I’ll attempt to respond these questions on face value (that is, I’ll try not to muddy up the argument with contextual information that has been blatantly omitted).

To the accusation of clothing; why would a god institute a dress code if he was unconcerned with human conduct? It seems such a petty issue in the greater scheme of things.

As far as genocide goes, it would seem to me that a god who is bloodthirsty and autocratic in nature would not be so concerned with eliminating one race in favor of another (quite lesser) race when his sole motive is only to exert his own will and demonstrate his preeminence. Why not globally enforce this policy instead of restricting it to only certain groups? Have not all sinned and fallen short in his eyes?

To the issue of commerce and slavery, it does not fit that a despot of this magnitude would take such a casual stance on issues that are fundamental to the preservation of a society. What modern day terrestrial dictators do you know of that are so passive on such issues?

To me, the arguments against God are more contradictory than the arguments for Him. Then again, as I mentioned earlier, I approached these claims without submitting them to their contextual origins. I had to respond to questions chosen in the same ‘McDonalds-pick-and-choose-way’ that I was earlier accused of being guilty of.
 
So I have a question for you. I have many friends who are Hindu, Buddhist, and Islamic.

They have as much evidence for Krishna and Mohammad’s miracles as you have for those of Jesus.

Why are they wrong and you right? They’ve all explained to me, of course, why you are wrong and they are right. You can’t all be right, but you can all be wrong. Since you have about equal evidence, this thought experiment alone points to all of you being wrong.
Simple, I have the gift of Faith. It’s not some means to an intellectual end. Just because you don’t have that gift and don’t understand doesn’t mean you are right and I am wrong. I give them credit because they are at least open or searching. Perhaps God will lead them to the Truth in time. And just because they have a misguided view of God doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist at all. So it doesn’t excuse you.
 
I gave this context here, on the page before:
No, it doesn’t. What are the reasons as to why there are so many Catholics as opposed to Atheists is what I’m getting at? You put statistical figures out there without clarification? For example, can it be that some of the Catholics in prison are there for reasons of immigration? Do you see what I’m getting at? Your websites do not provide this information, therefore, it makes it hard to understand the “whys” and “hows” of the statistical figures you provided. You would do best to avoid displaying such propagandic material in future.
 
I’m 12. Is it noticeable?
Actually, I’m concerned with the fact that you’re 12 and yet your posting so late in the evening, don’t you have parents who know you’re awake? God bless.
 
I definitely see what you’re getting at until you call it propaganda.
adherents.com/rel_USA.html
24% of Americans are Catholics.
They take up 39% of the seats in US prisons.

18% of Americans are non-religious.
They take up 0,2% of the seats in US prisons.

Surely, 38,8 of those 39% aren’t because of immigration?
Actually, I’m concerned with the fact that you’re 12 and yet your posting so late in the evening, don’t you have parents who know you’re awake? God bless.
That’s WAY below the belt. Mind your own business.
 
Actually, I’m concerned with the fact that you’re 12 and yet your posting so late in the evening, don’t you have parents who know you’re awake? God bless.
I just got out of school. And obviously, you haven’t met many 12 year olds. 12 o clock isn’t very late. If I go to bed at 12, then wake up at 7. Thats 7 hours of sleep, and since its summer I tend to stay up later and get up later. Please don’t bother yourself with my sleeping habits.
 
I just got out of school. And obviously, you haven’t met many 12 year olds. 12 o clock isn’t very late. If I go to bed at 12, then wake up at 7. Thats 7 hours of sleep, and since its summer I tend to stay up later and get up later. Please don’t bother yourself with my sleeping habits.
Uhh, obviously I have, since I’m an educator. Don’t you finish school in the middle of June?
 
I definitely see what you’re getting at until you call it propaganda.
adherents.com/rel_USA.html
24% of Americans are Catholics.
They take up 39% of the seats in US prisons.

18% of Americans are non-religious.
They take up 0,2% of the seats in US prisons.

Surely, 38,8 of those 39% aren’t because of immigration?

That’s WAY below the belt. Mind your own business.
What in tarnation are you talking about, since when is concern “hitting below the belt”.

YOU NEED AN ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT!!!
 
What in tarnation are you talking about, since when is concern “hitting below the belt”.

YOU NEED AN ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT!!!
Please stop. He just didn’t think it was your place to inquire what time I go to bed.
 
I definitely see what you’re getting at until you call it propaganda.
adherents.com/rel_USA.html
24% of Americans are Catholics.
They take up 39% of the seats in US prisons.

18% of Americans are non-religious.
They take up 0,2% of the seats in US prisons.

Surely, 38,8 of those 39% aren’t because of immigration?

That’s WAY below the belt. Mind your own business.
That’s but one example I offered, there could be many more is my point. Hence, the reason I used “propagandic”. You need to demonstrate the “whys” and the “hows” of statistical data such as this, otherwise, the information is pretty useless.
 
So I have a question for you. I have many friends who are Hindu, Buddhist, and Islamic.

They have as much evidence for Krishna and Mohammad’s miracles as you have for those of Jesus.

Why are they wrong and you right? They’ve all explained to me, of course, why you are wrong and they are right. You can’t all be right, but you can all be wrong. Since you have about equal evidence, this thought experiment alone points to all of you being wrong.
The last part is a logical fallacy.
1,000,000 Waldo-claimers do not prove there is no Waldo.
Nor for that matter do they prove there is a Waldo.
 
Please stop. He just didn’t think it was your place to inquire what time I go to bed.
Annabea, I’m glad you’re concerned, but don’t tell me what to do when it comes to other posters. God bless.
 
What in tarnation are you talking about, since when is concern “hitting below the belt”.

YOU NEED AN ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT!!!
It’s below the belt in situations like these when we’re having a decent discussion. Annabea is easily the most reflected and well-formulated debater I have ever seen in my five years on various forums, and it sucks to see the age-card being pulled in situations like these.
 
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