Help- Im catholic but i'v fell for a muslim

[inJESUS]

Faith101:

Yes, the intention is marriage.

lol. backward? What do you call a society where females are left pregnant on the street? What do you call a society where fornication is wide spread…where virginity is something to be embarrassed of? Is THIS what Jesus would like?

I thought Christians would agree on this…but i guess not all of them do.

Faith, is it either black or white?
USA or Europe ARE NOT CHRISTIAN. Not every european or american is a christian; to be a christian is a choice you make not a word on your ID.

but since you consider americans’ acts as christian , then what do we make of prostitutes in Afghanistan and Iran and Maghreb and Egypt? what about the porn movies done by some muslims? what about Saudi men who go to other countries to get drunk and have sex? and what about Saudi women who take off the chador as soon as they set foot in the airport and who wear mini-skirts in the host country?? if these are not seen to all, it is called : hypocrisy; at least Americans have the guts to say : this is my life and if they refuse religion, they are free…if they fornicate or abort or whatever, we are not God to judge their sins; the Bible stands clean from all from this; Jesus IS THE IDEAL EXAMPLE anyone can follow.

 

[inJESUS]

The misconception that muslim propaganda give to muslims is that USA and Europe are Christian. This is NOT TRUE.If an american fornicates, it does NOT mean that he did it according to christianity; the Bible is clear on all these points; do NOT judge American society according to the Bible !! not all of them are Christians !!

 

[inJESUS]

exoflare:

In all fairness, I think you can logically exclude brothers from that statement. This is probably thought to be implied.

yes i know; my point was about intention , faith and conviction. But i understand completly the muslim point of view, yet do not share it not coz it is “bad” but because, knowing Jesus, satan becomes a joke and virtue is much easier than sin. hence, Jesus set me free from such fears and filled me with the hope and peace that he promised. When you know what sin is, and what it will do to you, you wont do it; its all about knowing…know who you are, know your purpose, understand God’s love for you and his sadness if you fall down; know the truth, it shall set you free; its all about knowing and understanding, not about fearing.

 

[Faith101]

Faith, is it either black or white?
USA or Europe ARE NOT CHRISTIAN. Not every european or american is a christian; to be a christian is a choice you make not a word on your ID.

I didnt mean Christian when i spoke about American culture. That is why i am surprised that you disagree with what i’m saying. You call modesty and preserving one’s integrity “fear”

I know of many christians who would disagree with you…who find the prohibitions i’ve just mentioned in Islam to be the same as in Christianity. I know many Christian women who would never let themselves be alone with a man.

 

[Faith101]

yes Faith i got your point; i see it in arabic movies anyway

lol…which arabic movies? and what do you see in them?

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it makes you feel safe like this;

yes, indeed. Obeying God makes me feel safe

stay at home Faith coz allah might be angry

When did i say that?

do not go to movies coz it might lead to handholding

Sit in a dark room with a man who is not my husband???

do not go to lunch coz it may lead to…

I go to lunch all the time with my *girl * friends.

How great when Jesus said : know the truth , it shall set you FREE.

How far we are from the society that Jesus would have liked to see. Now, we have women bearing crosses on naked chests…dancing seductively. Where has our modesty gone? May God guide and have mercy on those who stray from the straight path.

 

[Neverland]

Dear Faith,

You said:
A devout Muslimah, who prayes tahajud, dating a Christian man (or any man)

This is a real story, anyway, because I met the husband. So I don’t get it from any website. So, I wonder what you want to know? It’s all based on my friend’s story about his life and wife.
But dating in the country where I live doesn’t mean you go in the room and do THAT (although it does happen sometimes). Dating means walking together, having lunch together, or going to the cinema. In this case because they had different religion, they spent most of their time discussing about religion. The region where they met was a moslem region (and very strict), so I don’t think they did more than just talking and walking.
In fact, the passion and lust comes IN THE MIND. Even if you lock yourself in your room, but if you think dirty all the time, then what is the use? But when you come to realize a true love, you don’t need to worry. Even if you see nakedness, people dancing seductively, you will not even want it, when it’s not love but lust.
The world, under the influence of Satan, try to change your view about what is important:

1. They change Love into Lust and Sex.
2. They change Devotion into Fearful Subjugation.
   Beware dear Faith.
   A wise woman once prophesied,“Then love shall die and marriage ceases.” And this is so true.

Neverland

P.S.

Yes, Joseph. Forgive my poor English that misled you. But she did convert before getting married (after a lot of struggle of course). And it’s not easy. Additional that I forgot, if I am not mistaken, that friend of mine (that I haven’t met for 6 years now) told me once that it seemed his wife was interested to go to Theologian Study. I do hope she can make it, but I don’t know their news now.

 

[inJESUS]

I didnt mean Christian when i spoke about American culture. That is why i am surprised that you disagree with what i’m saying. You call modesty and preserving one’s integrity “fear”

you still do not get what i am saying; i did NOT talk about modesty or intergrity; we all agree on this; i was talking about the fear you have by going to the extreme of things instead of trusting yourself, others and your conviction; it is true that not all people are good, but it does not mean i have to fear anyone’s intentions or my own intentions and shut myself off society.

I know of many christians who would disagree with you…who find the prohibitions i’ve just mentioned in Islam to be the same as in Christianity.

prohibitions? no; it is a personal choice when you understand the truth of things. Modesty , integrity , virtue ecc are consequences of faith and truth, not obligations coz when you are obliged then where is your merit or your freedom of will? In christianity there is no obligation, because your relationship with God is personal. When you follow Jesus, these “obligations” that you call are not obligations but a source of joy.

 

[inJESUS]

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yes, indeed. Obeying God makes me feel safe

the existence of God in your life is the thing that makes you feel safe; obeying must be out of love, to tell him that you love him and trust him…He is the one who gives you the safety sensation, not your deeds.

Sit in a dark room with a man who is not my husband???

first off, there would be a hundred person with you; second, bad thoughts come from within you; if you have love , faith and conviction, you must not fear anything, even if you are with a million man; thats why knowing the truth will set you free ; if you are a slave to your weakness and uncertainties ( or others’), you will never understand the truth and your relation with God will always have shackles.If God is in your heart, who do you fear?

I go to lunch all the time with my *girl * friends.

what about a boy? what are you afraid of?why do you shut yourself from a human being like you? why you deny yourself the virtue of knowing people and sharing your life and faith and ideas with them? God did not create men to scare you; he created us to share his creation with each others; bad intentions spring from your own mind and uncertainties.

How far we are from the society that Jesus would have liked to see.

very far; thats why Jesus even died, coz he wanted our salvation by all means, knowing how sinful and how dead we are; he died to give us life. But Jesus never said we must shut ourselves from others; in Jesus, we are all one family.
If you keep contemplating sin, you will fall for it; if you keep thinking about satan, he will haunt you;set yourself free from the thoughts of sin and your fears and your heart will be open to truth.

Now, we have women bearing crosses on naked chests…dancing seductively. Where has our modesty gone? May God guide and have mercy on those who stray from the straight path

is it Jesus’ mistake? no; it is human sinfulness…and Jesus said : not everyone who comes to me and says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven…calling myself christian will not save me; it is when i live it; “from your fruit and love they will know you are my disciples”…according to the fruit, you can judge if a person follows Jesus or not, not according to his name.

 

[Faith101]

first off, there would be a hundred person with you; second, bad thoughts come from within you; if you have love , faith and conviction, you must not fear anything, even if you are with a million man; thats why knowing the truth will set you free ; if you are a slave to your weakness and uncertainties ( or others’), you will never understand the truth and your relation with God will always have shackles.If God is in your heart, who do you fear?

many a people with strong faith fell into the games of the devil. Why put yourself at risk?

what about a boy? what are you afraid of?why do you shut yourself from a human being like you? why you deny yourself the virtue of knowing people and sharing your life and faith and ideas with them? God did not create men to scare you; he created us to share his creation with each others; bad intentions spring from your own mind and uncertainties.

lol. this whole conversation is actually pretty funny. You are not going to convince me to start dating men and you willl not convince me that not dating a man somehow is a reflectin of doubting my faith. Your whole argument is totally bogus. You are definitly male, at least you argue like one.

That said, alhamdulilah, the only real relationship a woman should have with a man is the one through marriage. not hopping around like a rabbit from one person to the next until you meet “the one”.

“And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.” (Quran 30:21)

]very far; thats why Jesus even died, coz he wanted our salvation by all means, knowing how sinful and how dead we are; he died to give us life. But Jesus never said we must shut ourselves from others; in Jesus, we are all one family.
If you keep contemplating sin, you will fall for it; if you keep thinking about satan, he will haunt you;set yourself free from the thoughts of sin and your fears and your heart will be open to truth

Satan is an enemy to mankind. He wants to destroy us all. You have to know your enemy and know his tactics and steer clear from them.

Alhamdulilah, i dont live in fear. Where do you get these ideas?

 

[Faith101]

Neverland:

Dear Faith,

You said:
A devout Muslimah, who prayes tahajud, dating a Christian man (or any man)

This is a real story, anyway, because I met the husband. So I don’t get it from any website. So, I wonder what you want to know? It’s all based on my friend’s story about his life and wife.
But dating in the country where I live doesn’t mean you go in the room and do THAT (although it does happen sometimes). Dating means walking together, having lunch together, or going to the cinema. In this case because they had different religion, they spent most of their time discussing about religion. The region where they met was a moslem region (and very strict), so I don’t think they did more than just talking and walking.
In fact, the passion and lust comes IN THE MIND. Even if you lock yourself in your room, but if you think dirty all the time, then what is the use? But when you come to realize a true love, you don’t need to worry. Even if you see nakedness, people dancing seductively, you will not even want it, when it’s not love but lust.
The world, under the influence of Satan, try to change your view about what is important:

1. They change Love into Lust and Sex.
2. They change Devotion into Fearful Subjugation.
   Beware dear Faith.
   A wise woman once prophesied,“Then love shall die and marriage ceases.” And this is so true.

Neverland

P.S.

Yes, Joseph. Forgive my poor English that misled you. But she did convert before getting married (after a lot of struggle of course). And it’s not easy. Additional that I forgot, if I am not mistaken, that friend of mine (that I haven’t met for 6 years now) told me once that it seemed his wife was interested to go to Theologian Study. I do hope she can make it, but I don’t know their news now.

I understand. God guides who He wills and allows who He wills to go astray.

I just find it hard to believe for a woman who prays to tahajud accept that for herself, in whatever country.

 

[Faith101]

INJesus

i still wanna know about the arabic movies you’ve been watching, and what you “know” from them.

 

[inJESUS]

many a people with strong faith fell into the games of the devil. Why put yourself at risk?

so dont put yourself at risk because you are AFRAID from falling;why even cross the street? maybe a car will hit you?

lol. this whole conversation is actually pretty funny. You are not going to convince me to start dating men and you willl not convince me that not dating a man somehow is a reflectin of doubting my faith. Your whole argument is totally bogus. You are definitly male, at least you argue like one.

am not convincing you about anything; am just trying to tell you that men are not here to scare you; fear and bad thoughts come from within you; maybe am trying to tell you that humanity is much broader than the mental cage you put yourself in to feel safe. And am a female.

That said, alhamdulilah, the only real relationship a woman should have with a man is the one through marriage. not hopping around like a rabbit from one person to the next until you meet “the one”.

again, black or white? no place for friendship, good feelings, good intentions in your dictionary? is humanity for you : a woman and her husband?

"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts

): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." (Quran 30:21) will you allow your husband to marry other than you?

Satan is an enemy to mankind. He wants to destroy us all. You have to know your enemy and know his tactics and steer clear from them.

it is BECAUSE i know my ennemy that i dont fear him; see the difference?

Alhamdulilah, i dont live in fear. Where do you get these ideas?

obviously from your answers…you still fear satan; i dont : “do not be afraid, for i have conquered the world” LORD JESUS.

 

[inJESUS]

Faith101:

INJesus

i still wanna know about the arabic movies you’ve been watching, and what you “know” from them.

silly Egyptian movies mostly; come on, you know what am talking about.

 

[Faith101]

inJESUS:

silly Egyptian movies mostly; come on, you know what am talking about.

i know they are egyptian movies…they are the movie-makers among the arabs.

But i am interested to know what you “know” (as you’ve stated earlier) from these movies.

 

[Faith101]

so dont put yourself at risk because you are AFRAID from falling;why even cross the street? maybe a car will hit you?

Either you are not understanding what i’m saying…or you dont want to. Either way, i’ve already addressed this silly analogy.

am not convincing you about anything; am just trying to tell you that men are not here to scare you; fear and bad thoughts come from within you; maybe am trying to tell you that humanity is much broader than the mental cage you put yourself in to feel safe. And am a female.

you’re a female?! honestly, i’m shocked…like this ,>
you are a female, and you are egyptian, and a practicing Christian…and you have no problem going to the movies alone with a man?

will you allow your husband to marry other than you?

good question. knowing me i’ll probably try to kill him first

it is BECAUSE i know my ennemy that i dont fear him; see the difference?

You shouldnt fear the devil…but you have to be careful of his tactics…he has millions of years of experience misleading makind. He can make you think you’re doing something good, when you are really not.

We can talk about this all day…but fact is, if you look around you…all those people committing fornication started out at the movies…and whoops…one thing led to another. I think its pretty clear

obviously from your answers…you still fear satan; i dont : “do not be afraid, for i have conquered the world” LORD JESUS.

When did i say that I feared Satan?

 

[Neverland]

Dear Faith,

You said:
I understand. God guides who He wills and allows who He wills to go astray.

I just find it hard to believe for a woman who prays to tahajud accept that for herself, in whatever country.

That’s reasonable. That was why my friend was surprised (and suspicous too) when she first asked for a bible. I told that in the earlier story. That’s because he knew how devoted she was.
And from her convession, she wouldn’t have changed her mind about religion if there was nothing happen during her Tahajud. I told you, my friend told me that his wife saw a cross sign.

Neverland

 

[MugenOne]

Mate,

Do it like some of the westerner infidels that I know around here. Faking conversion and marry and then revert. When you are with her family, act like you are a true Muslim. Or you can marry your girlfriend Catholically and have her family disowned her like my hitchman. He married an Afghan woman. Oh boy, her whole family wanted to kill him and her (beside the mother though) because she married non-Muslim and also he is a true infidel with German blood. He looks like Hitler for real!

You could do it, but you have to be creative though.

M1

Marc18:

Im asking if anybody has been in my situation or could give me advice. I like this woman alot and she likes me alot but we have not even touched on the subjest of religion. many things have been going through my head like children what religion will they be catholics or muslim so confused, my family/her family if they will approve of different races combining.
I will apreciate your help immensely.

 

[inJESUS]

Either you are not understanding what i’m saying…or you dont want to. Either way, i’ve already addressed this silly analogy.

this shows that instead of taking risks and depending on your convictions, you prefer not to put your convictions at “risk” coz u might not be sure about them.

you are a female, and you are egyptian,

am not egyptian

and a practicing Christian…and you have no problem going to the movies alone with a man?

men do not eat people; men do not force on you what you do not want; and there will be a hundred person with you in the movie
All my friends are basically men and i love them…ever heard of good , brotherly intentions? or whenever a man is, you must run?

good question. knowing me i’ll probably try to kill him first

well you cant kill mohammad for allowing this coz he is already dead…maybe you should sue him and God is the judge
remember that your loving husband will have all the right to marry till 4 women,( and have maids as sexual partners in case he has some) or even divorce you by saying a simple word
PS: a mufti said this during this ramadan

You shouldnt fear the devil…but you have to be careful of his tactics…he has millions of years of experience misleading makind. He can make you think you’re doing something good, when you are really not.

i witnessed lots of case of excorcism; i know perfectly how he works and what thoughts he puts in humans…ever witnessed exorcism in the name of Lord Jesus?? ever seen possessed people panicking when they see the cross ?reminds me of someone .

furthermore, i understand perfectly what Jesus wants and the Holy Spirit is my guide; all satans tactics are a joke .

When did i say that I feared Satan?

you do fear him uncounciously…you are afraid of his tactics thats why you shut yourself.

 

[inJESUS]

Faith101:

i know they are egyptian movies…they are the movie-makers among the arabs.

But i am interested to know what you “know” (as you’ve stated earlier) from these movies.

i said that i understand what you were saying coz i saw this mindset in egyptian movies where a woman stays home waiting for the lovely husband to pick her up or when Saiid women dont ever talk to a man or when a man decides to marry a woman coz his “mommy” told him she is good or when a woman runs from a man telling him : go ask for my hand from my father ( before even knowing him well enough) and all these silly things

 

[Faith101]

well you cant kill mohammad for allowing this coz he is already dead…maybe you should sue him and God is the judge

Whatever Allah ordains, allows or prohibits…then it is what is best for mankind, that i am fully convinced…regardless of my own weaknesses.

Your comment above was very disrespectful. Due to that, and the fact that this conversation is not of any benefit…peace.