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drforjc
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Wow, I didn’t know it was online!! Guess I came in on the thread too late.
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mercygate
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The only problem with that link is that it only posts the current week. You can’t look something up for next month.
Thanks.
However, I don’t buy the “hymn can be omitted” part; there is nothing in the rubrics or General Instruction that allows for this, even in individual recitation. It can, however, be recited instead of sung.
Nevertheless, that wasn’t a problem because I combined the OOR and MP that day, so I used the MP hymn, which, as indicated, was from the Common.
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Lepanto
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I haven’t read the entire thread, so I don’t know if this has already been posted:
liturgyofthehours.org/todays_prayers_four_volume.htm
liturgyofthehours.org/todays_prayers_four_volume.htm
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maryj
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Oh yeah, that’s deffinately helpful. I tried for the first time this morning doing a feast day St. John the baptist and by golly I got it right. Thank you for this link I have added to my favorites and also it prints up quite nicely and will tuck it into my Christian prayer book. Wha whoooo:extrahappy:
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mercygate
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The GILH has some gaps, which is why other help is required.
In which case, I need an authoritative source that allows for the omission of hymns. Till then, I won’t be.
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mercygate
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New question for this thread:
Last night I was at a wake for a priest who had died.
A priest-friend of the parish was saying his office, and I asked him whether he was praying the Office of the Day or the Office for the Dead. He said “the Office for the Dead; I already said the Office for the Day.”
This is a new one on me. I have never heard that one must pray BOTH offices. At our CFP retreat, we give one whole ferial day to the Office for the Dead and do not double up. The nuns,(who omit the hymn at all said offices) near me never double up.
I will ask my spiritual director when I see him tomorrow but are there LOTH veterans on this thread who know something about this that I don’t know?
Last night I was at a wake for a priest who had died.
A priest-friend of the parish was saying his office, and I asked him whether he was praying the Office of the Day or the Office for the Dead. He said “the Office for the Dead; I already said the Office for the Day.”
This is a new one on me. I have never heard that one must pray BOTH offices. At our CFP retreat, we give one whole ferial day to the Office for the Dead and do not double up. The nuns,(who omit the hymn at all said offices) near me never double up.
I will ask my spiritual director when I see him tomorrow but are there LOTH veterans on this thread who know something about this that I don’t know?
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AJV
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That was clearly laid out in the older rubrics for the Roman Breviary. The GILH doesn’t say anything on it, AFAIK, nor do the rubrics. I think it would be treated as any other Votive Office and so replace the one for the day. Not sure, though.
When I recite the Office of the Dead, or a Votive of the Bl. Virgin Mary, I add it at the end of the Office of the Day. That way I don’t miss out on the ferial texts. (Plus, for the former I like to recite it from the 1961 breviary)
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mercygate
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Ah ha. Then under the old system, BOTH offices were said.
Well, shut mah mouth! Thanks. I presume the GILH says nothing because the necessity of praying both is no longer in force legally. The priest who said that he had already prayed the Office of the Day was about 85 years old. The priest who died was about the same age. Makes a picture, doesn’t it? Beautiful.
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ppojawa
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What AJV does is standard. The rubric on the first page of the Commons allows that.
Now that you people mentioned that, I might start doing the same thing
. Those 1st vespers Magnificat antiphons will probably feel quite fresh compared to the 2nd vespers ones.I agree. One source of the idea that hymns be optional may be the (otherwise excellent) Discovering Prayer online book, known in the offline world as Lord Open My Lips.
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mercygate
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Has this come up on this thread?
In the responsory, “Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit” is not followed by the rest of the Doxology. You just stop there and go on to the next line.
In the responsory, “Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit” is not followed by the rest of the Doxology. You just stop there and go on to the next line.
Yes, I have the PDF, and no, I do not know where this gets the idea that the hymns are optional. It doesn’t even get the last part of the Lauds and Vespers responsories right.What AJV does is standard. The rubric on the first page of the Commons allows that.
Now that you people mentioned that, I might start doing the same thing
I agree. One source of the idea that hymns be optional may be the (otherwise excellent) Discovering Prayer online book, known in the offline world as Lord Open My Lips.
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maryj
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Mercygate, is this a question or a statement. cuz I was wondering about this myself. thanks.
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AJV
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I think it’s a statement.
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mercygate
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It’s a statement. The reason only half the doxology is recited is . . . unknown.
The author of DODOS, finally trusted her right-hand editor, mentor and advisor for the preparation of this book, on this point. He is a Benedictine monk of Portsmouth Abbey. Since Benectines literally wrote the book on the Divine Office, the source on that is pretty reliable.
In any event, whatever the reason may be, only the first half is recited.
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mercygate
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That is the LOTH wording of the Gloria Patri. It is used at the beginning of the hours and at the end of the Psalms and canticles.
The only place where only the first half of the Doxology is used is in the responsories.
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mercygate
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I made an error. I have double-checked and have found no evidence AT ALL that the office hymn is optional. Even the person who told me that (who is an authority) confessed that he was probably having indigestion when he mentioned it.
So there you are: sing or say the hymn (unless you are combining offices.
So there you are: sing or say the hymn (unless you are combining offices.
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Philothea53
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From divineofficefordodos.com/
Dodos is being reprinted. We expect shipment in 6-8 weeks. Bookmarks and ribbons will be fully supported following the new printing. Advance copies may be ordered and we will ship when this is available. For more information, contact the author, Madeline Pecora Nugent, or visit the Bookstore at www.penitents.org.
Hurrah! Although I think I am finally getting the hang of this and feeling less frustration
I can’t wait until this book is reprinted. I want to buy a copy, but…I noticed there is one listed as Used-Good (A few pages contain minimal highlighting, and cover shows just a hint of shelfwear. Otherwise excellent condition. Cover is glossy & clean. Spine is UNcreased - tight & square. Pages are otherwise white, tight, clean, & straight.) for $40.00 at amazon.com Wow!!
How much does this cost brand new?
Dodos is being reprinted. We expect shipment in 6-8 weeks. Bookmarks and ribbons will be fully supported following the new printing. Advance copies may be ordered and we will ship when this is available. For more information, contact the author, Madeline Pecora Nugent, or visit the Bookstore at www.penitents.org.
Hurrah! Although I think I am finally getting the hang of this and feeling less frustration
I can’t wait until this book is reprinted. I want to buy a copy, but…I noticed there is one listed as Used-Good (A few pages contain minimal highlighting, and cover shows just a hint of shelfwear. Otherwise excellent condition. Cover is glossy & clean. Spine is UNcreased - tight & square. Pages are otherwise white, tight, clean, & straight.) for $40.00 at amazon.com Wow!!How much does this cost brand new?
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