Help me to learn to pray the LOTH

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Thanks for clarifying that. Yeah, I’m curious to know the source of this 2 yr. cycle as well.

How is it possible the GILH offers a 2 yr cycle supplement and it not be published? Odd.
 
Re 2 year cycle.

I happen to be reading a book by Stanislaus Campbell, From Breviary to Liturgy of the Hours: The Structural Reform of the Roman Office 1964-1971. The issue is mentioned there.

It appears that the LOTH was designed with a two-year reading cycle, to allow reading almost all of the Bible over the course of two years between the Mass and the Office. Unfortunately, when the books of LOTH were to be printed, technical problems were discovered with binding books so thick. So, a one year cycle was compiled from parts of the two-year one.
 
No it is. Actually the directions are more for recitation in community but in any case, the directions are:

I observe the bowing and the crossing but if I recite in church before/after Mass, not the standing.
Thanks AJV, My copy of the book has an abridged General Instruction that stops at section 202. My wife and I do it at home ourselves so I suppose that’s not a big deal but It’s nice to know what should be done, and to able to to observe the parts of it that fit such as the bowing and crossing.

Thanks.
 
Re 2 year cycle.

I happen to be reading a book by Stanislaus Campbell, From Breviary to Liturgy of the Hours: The Structural Reform of the Roman Office 1964-1971. The issue is mentioned there.

It appears that the LOTH was designed with a two-year reading cycle, to allow reading almost all of the Bible over the course of two years between the Mass and the Office. Unfortunately, when the books of LOTH were to be printed, technical problems were discovered with binding books so thick. So, a one year cycle was compiled from parts of the two-year one.
Great info. Thanks a lot. What a shame. Being over 30 years ago, maybe technology would overcome that challenge and someday we can all carry around our own phone book. 😃
 
As it is rather too late in the day I will come back to this tomorrow and frequently after that. As some of you know, I returned to the Church in the summer of 2004, and in October 2004 I started my novitiate year to become a Benedictine Oblate. Next month I renew my oblation for the 2nd time. So I have been working on learning LOTH since 10/04. I have some brain damage, and the only things I have managed to memorize in all that time, and they are not from the LOTH, are the Chaplet of Divine Mercy and the Fatima angel’s prayer. I was able to bring back all the prayers I had learned as a child during my convent schooling and other Catholic classes. But I simply cannot memorize stuff anymore, and sometimes I even get hung up on the Our Father or the Chaplet.

I started doing the LOTH using “Work of God - Benedictine Prayer,” and I often still pray Compline from it. It is a simplified and shortened version done in 2-week cycles, but hey, you know what they say: simple things for simple minds. The dodos book sounds like it’s right up my alley. I sometimes used my big 1-volume book but usually only when David is around to help me through it. Most days I use the monthly publication “Magnificat.” I really like it and I can pray the office without getting distracted by worries of whether of not I’m doing it right. I also like the on-line site Universalis, done by the monks of the Christ in the Desert Monastery if I remember right. It is easy to use and the hours are done according to the breviary. I use it for Lauds and Vespers and Comline from time to time. Especially when I am started or in the middle of a computer work session. One local monk told me that they still make “mistakes” even after years. I’ve learned not to be scrupulous in this area, almost-perfectinoist that I am, and just pray using whatever version i feel inclined to use that time. God doesn’t care if we make mistakes, He just wants us to pray.

But seriously, I do want to learn how to do it “correctly.” And even after all this time, when I join my monastic community for one of the hours i have to have help getting through it.

And, who knows, maybe in a few years I’ll even be able to start doing some of the different Commons and the Office of Readings and other stuff. I’ll just hang in there.
 
When is ti proper to pray the Office of the Dead? Should it be dedicated to someone who has died?
 
I find that the website www.Universalis.com is really good. It is still in development but Lauds, Vespers, and Compline are complete. It also has calendars and a tutorial with the structure of and how to pray the LOTH. I have printed up today’s and I am going to compare it to my big red book and make notes. Doing that will, I think, be helpful. If push comes to shove or time is short on any particular day I just go to that site and pray the hour from there, and I use my monthly volume of “Magnificat.”
 
I find that the website www.Universalis.com is really good. It is still in development but Lauds, Vespers, and Compline are complete. It also has calendars and a tutorial with the structure of and how to pray the LOTH. I have printed up today’s and I am going to compare it to my big red book and make notes. Doing that will, I think, be helpful. If push comes to shove or time is short on any particular day I just go to that site and pray the hour from there, and I use my monthly volume of “Magnificat.”
i’ve said it before and I will keep on saying it so that no one will think otherwise.

Universalis is really bad. No hymns, no antiphons, both of which are integral to the Divine Office. Moreover, the translation used is unapproved. It is okay to use Universalis as a source of personal devotion, but it is NOT the Liturgy of the Hours; not until they complete the hymns and antiphons and use an approved translation.
 
When is ti proper to pray the Office of the Dead? Should it be dedicated to someone who has died?
You pray the Office of the Dead on All Souls Day. Other than that, you may pray it on the nearest feria after a person dies or on any other ferial day. It is common to pray it on the anniversary of a loved one’s death.

You do not need to have a specific person in mind but may offer it for all the departed.

It’s a beautiful Office.
 
For - 9/27 Mem. of St Vincent de Paul (From Christian Prayer)

Morning Prayer:
The Ant for Cant. of Z and the concl. prayer are there.
Refers me to Comm. of Pastors or For Those Who Worked For the Underpriveliged.

I went to the Underpriveliged (p. 1472)
It says everything taken from the comm. of holy men
It has the Ant for Cant. of Z and the concl. prayer are there.

In comm. of holy men (p. 1448) it has:
All three antiphons
Reading
Responsory
Ant for Cant. of Z
Intercesssions
Concl. prayer

So I prayed psalms from psalter, everything from comm. of holy men, but The Ant for Cant. of Z and the concl. prayer from the proper.

Was this correct? I just get a little unsure of myself with when I’m referred to places where I’m referred yet again.
 
For - 9/27 Mem. of St Vincent de Paul (From Christian Prayer)

Morning Prayer:
The Ant for Cant. of Z and the concl. prayer are there.
Refers me to Comm. of Pastors or For Those Who Worked For the Underpriveliged.

I went to the Underpriveliged (p. 1472)
It says everything taken from the comm. of holy men
It has the Ant for Cant. of Z and the concl. prayer are there.

In comm. of holy men (p. 1448) it has:
All three antiphons
Reading
Responsory
Ant for Cant. of Z
Intercesssions
Concl. prayer

So I prayed psalms from psalter, everything from comm. of holy men, but The Ant for Cant. of Z and the concl. prayer from the proper.

Was this correct? I just get a little unsure of myself with when I’m referred to places where I’m referred yet again.
Yes. :yup: 👍 The psalms with their antiphons would have been from Thursday Week 1 in the psalter. The Ant for Cant. of Z and the Concluding Prayer from the Proper because what is proper always trumps anything form the Common. The rest from the Common. .
 
Yes. :yup: 👍 The psalms with their antiphons would have been from Thursday Week 1 in the psalter. The Ant for Cant. of Z and the Concluding Prayer from the Proper because what is proper always trumps anything form the Common. The rest from the Common. .
Wow. I actually know what I’m doing?! 🙂 Who’d have thunk it.
Thanks for that. I would have gone on wondering and never feeling certain I had it right. Bless you.
 
Hokay. So, I have been praying the LOTH by myself for a few months now, and I think I have it pretty much under control-- I usually do Morning, Evening, and Night prayers. But I have a question about memorials…

Yesterday was the Memorial of St. Theresa of the Child Jesus…
My St. Joseph’s Guide says MP (1441) (Ant) 793.

Does that mean I use the antiphons from the Commons and the Psalms from the Psalter? I thought that for memorials both the antiphons & the Psalsms were from the Psalter.
 
Hokay. So, I have been praying the LOTH by myself for a few months now, and I think I have it pretty much under control-- I usually do Morning, Evening, and Night prayers. But I have a question about memorials…

Yesterday was the Memorial of St. Theresa of the Child Jesus…
My St. Joseph’s Guide says MP (1441) (Ant) 793.

Does that mean I use the antiphons from the Commons and the Psalms from the Psalter? I thought that for memorials both the antiphons & the Psalsms were from the Psalter.
Are you using Christian Prayer?
My St Joseph Guide to the 4 vol set says:
MP from Com (meaning I may use the commons from the reading onwards, although I can use the weekday since it is a memorial, not a feast),Ps 817 (which points to the weekday),
Ant & Pr 1452 (Which is the proper of her day)

Thus:
The psalms and their antiphons from weekday
reading and responsory from either the weekday or common
antiphon for canticle of zechariah from proper of St Therese
intercessions from either weekday or common
closing prayer from proper of St Therese
 
Hmmm. Does anyone else have the 1-volume? This comes up a lot and I am always confused!!!
 
Hmmm. Does anyone else have the 1-volume? This comes up a lot and I am always confused!!!
I don’t use the Guide but basically, the principle applies for memorials: psalms and antiphons from weekday except when proper; closing prayer from Proper, everything else may be taken from Weekday or Common, except when proper.

In this case, for St. Therese, there was no Proper text except for the Antiphons of the Canticle of Zechariah and Canticle of Mary. Therefore, you take the psalms and antiphons from the weekday. Only very few memorials have proper psalms and antiphons.
 
Hokay. So, I have been praying the LOTH by myself for a few months now, and I think I have it pretty much under control-- I usually do Morning, Evening, and Night prayers. But I have a question about memorials…

Yesterday was the Memorial of St. Theresa of the Child Jesus…
My St. Joseph’s Guide says MP (1441) (Ant) 793.

Does that mean I use the antiphons from the Commons and the Psalms from the Psalter? I thought that for memorials both the antiphons & the Psalsms were from the Psalter.
Memorials take both the antiphons and the psalms from the Psalter (except for a couple of odd days – like Guardian Angels – that have their own antiphons & psalms or St. Mary Magdalene with its own antiphons but not psalms.)
 
Memorials take both the antiphons and the psalms from the Psalter (except for a couple of odd days – like Guardian Angels – that have their own antiphons & psalms or St. Mary Magdalene with its own antiphons but not psalms.)
Yes, but for St. Mary Magdalene, the Proper tells us to use the Psalms for Sunday Week I (Morning Prayer) or from the Common of Holy Women (Evening Prayer). This is an instance of a memorial with proper psalms (albeit taken from the Common or Sunday Week I) and antiphons.
 
Yes, but for St. Mary Magdalene, the Proper tells us to use the Psalms for Sunday Week I (Morning Prayer) or from the Common of Holy Women (Evening Prayer). This is an instance of a memorial with proper psalms (albeit taken from the Common or Sunday Week I) and antiphons.
Right. Never a dull moment with the LOTH! just when you think you have it nailed, there’s a new wrinkle.
 
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